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[shadowhawk]

[Schnurbi]

Really, try the bulletproof diet for 2 weeks. Your body takes some time to adapt. 200-250g is really high!

IF after 2 weeks you still dont feel good, stick to bulletproof carbs on the roadmap. white rice and sweet potatoes are your best bet.

 

Also: you have a problem- now maybe its worth looking into changing what caused the problem in the first place

[tunt01]

Fuck my ass i had random reading of 222...

 

Do i have some kind of LADA / Type 1 diabetes? How come 22 bmi, 40 minute + exercise a day, no sugar, etc. young guy would get diabetes?

 

Are you protein malnourished?  Why are you vegan?

 

Go 15-20% protein (w/ at least half from animal sources like turkey, seafood), 50-55% carbs, 30% fat.

Edited by prophets, 23 June 2016 - 11:37 PM.

[Schnurbi]

Because of your diet. It's not unheard of. But you even asking that demonstrates that you need to learn more about this stuff. The bulletproof podcast is what got me started.

The SANE show is also a great resource, more diet specific. Both regimens are great against diabetes. Man, we all got really fucked up the way we think is healthy to eat.

Its all garbage.

Also being healthy on a vegan diet is difficult to impossible. I sure wouldn't know where I would get my protein thats not inflammatory as well as not eating grains.

 

The second thing you can to is look into chromium and vanadium deficiency. Dr. Glidden seems to know his stuff:

Edited by Schnurbi, 24 June 2016 - 07:19 AM.

[sativa]

Vegan protein is easy: pea protein, chestnuts, nutritional yeast, fermented/sprouted lentils. I occasionally have egg yolks too.

Add in supplements such as taurine, beta alanine, coQ10, carnitine.

I have fermented cod liver oil also for vit A, D, K2 etc

[vader]

I slept 9 hours today and my blood sugar was only ~80 fasting and post meal 120. Could it be actually a sleep issue? I'm also suffering a persistant rash, which docs said was scabies but after treatment i'm stilling suffering from this rash. I'm suspecting celiac, which could fit my other symptoms. When vegan i really loaded on gluten, pasta, etc. Eating up to 500 grams of durum pasta in a day, maybe my system got overloaded with gluten. I am going to get antibody test, maybe this could be the reason for my problems and also gastrointestinal, neurological issues.

Edited by vader, 24 June 2016 - 06:51 PM.

[sativa]

Likely. Wheat and some grains, if not properly prepared (ie fermented aka sourdough) can cause immune system disregulation (notably re thyroid) with related inflammation as well as severe digestive issues.

Glutamine repairs the digestive tract, I take 1g before all meals.
Arrowroot powder is also good for digestion IIRC. I used to make soups with arrowroot, water, vegetables. Tastes pretty bland so its easy to integrate.

Adrenal glands will also need to be strengthened as they play an important role in immune system function and inflammation. Vitamin C, B5 are good for this, amongst other things.

To promte healing and give your digestive system and immune system a rest, avoidance of certain problematic foods would be advised, notably nightshade vegetables and legumes (both contain lectins) egg white also contains them, the yolks are fine.

Brown rice might be best avoided until you heal.

I'd try and significantly reduce polyunsaturated fats, as these contribute to inflammation.

Edited by sativa, 24 June 2016 - 07:51 PM.

[shadowhawk]

[vader]

The issue is still not resolved, although by now i need to go more by symptoms than readings, because i have run out of glucose meter strips (stole them from my diabetic grandma, so to speak, she gets them really cheep from the doc, so she has a surplus).

 

The only things that work:

- exercise - the earlier the better

- more sleep (the more the better, best uninterrupted 9 hours of sleep)

 

Honestly, eating low carb seems kind of unnatural to me. Eating meat with lard, or eggs with butter gives me bouts of nausea and low carb is mostly that - nausea and fish burps. No thanks.

[pamojja]

Honestly, eating low carb seems kind of unnatural to me. Eating meat with lard, or eggs with butter gives me bouts of nausea and low carb is mostly that - nausea and fish burps. No thanks.

 

Lol. An addict rationalizing away with humbug.
 

[Schnurbi]

vader, just try it you can do it. it is not even hard if you do it bulletproof diet-style. You might be addicted- so think of it as an experiment to prove to yourself that you are not addicted.

 

PS: You would NOT put butter on top of eggs. ridiculous. Butter belongs on top of a steak or other grassfed meat. and you are forgetting the 10 servings of nonstarchy vegetables per day. honestly it is quite healthy and quite tasty.

For reference, my last fasting blood sugar was 33. I have ketones baby  I can donate blood with that, too. No food required afterwards.

Edited by Schnurbi, 05 July 2016 - 05:55 AM.

[vader]

I have decided to eat a 200 gram bowl of oatmeal / cheerios mix. My BS didn't spike all that much and i got very clearheaded afterwards. Beta glucans have been used to cure diabetes in mice. I think i'm going to incorporate this mix into my daily regimen along with buckwheat (ditching pearl barley, because it has gluten, but that gi index of 29 is hard to beat). Sides were very putrid smelling farts (maybe some kind of bacteria finally getting their meal of choice?).

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3871839/

 

Blood glucose postpranadial lowered by ~15%.

 

My highest reading was 200 (1 hour after meal), which extrapolating the results gives me 170 bs.

 

Most usual is 160, which gives 136 bs adjusted per the study.

 

The most worrying thing is that the therapeutic dosis requires eating 500 grams of oatmeal a day, a hefty dose so to speak.

 

Compounding this oatmeal with buckwheat should also boost insulin sensitivity hopefully. I think what backfired and gave me diabetus was high potato / fruit diet, not the low fat part.

 

This old ass study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....v/pubmed/637427

 

169 bs vs 120 (!) bs

3 grams fiber vs 20 grams!

 

How come MisterE says humans can do well on potatoes? Potatoes give you like zero fiber and unless you eat shit ton of brocolli then you will run low on fiber and get diabetes.

Edited by vader, 05 July 2016 - 08:49 PM.

[pamojja]

How come MisterE says humans can do well on potatoes? Potatoes give you like zero fiber and unless you eat shit ton of brocolli then you will run low on fiber and get diabetes.

 

Because we are all different with different preconditions, metabolism.. or chemical-bioindividuality.

 

Don't wast your time, my friend, or your grandma's glucose strips. Rising blood glucose reading is too serious an issue to get into ideological discussions.

 

There is only one way to reverse it: Buy an glucose meter and test every individual food, and combinations of foods, with supplements or exercise, to find out how you could stay below 140 mg/dl postprandial. Period. For long-term health even below 110, if that would be possible.

 

By simply eliminating the food which are most offending. In my case that is anything sugary, grainy or starchy. For the decrease in calories I have to make up with healthy fats (nuts, EVOO, coconut, ghee, etc., which also eliminates any problem with satiety). However, you have to go by - not what anybody else says - but your own postprandial blood-glucose readings only.

 

[Schnurbi]

If only oatmeal and cheerios consisted of mostly beta-glucans. Sadly, there's their high avenin content, which might be as bad as gluten- and of course lectins and phytic acid, which will rob your body of minerals and wreak all sorts of havoc. it's a plant defense system- so it is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Most people get quite the insulin spike from oatmeal, too, statistically. Cheerios wont be a lot better

If you are going to eat a food for it's chemical properties, you have to take all the known chemical contents into account. In the case of oatmeal there seems to be a lot more harm than good.

 

If you are still going to eat it just because you want to- at least soak it and let it sprout, make sure it is organic. good luck!

My 2 cents- take beta glucan supplements if you want 'em- and replace your oatmeal with veggies, some butter, eggs, etc.

Edited by Schnurbi, 06 July 2016 - 04:51 PM.

[shadowhawk]

You can get Beta glucans in supplement form and avoid the Barley and Oats.  As far as your glycemic response rather than doing the testing just with a meter with readings which will jump all over the place, follow the Glycemic Index.  Use the Insulin index as well but not as many foods tested.  I have also switched to an A1C meter  as well to avoid so many conflicting readings.

[pamojja]

As far as your glycemic response rather than doing the testing just with a meter with readings which will jump all over the place, follow the Glycemic Index

 

Only a glucose meter will show your individual response, GI never will. It only jumps all over the place because shit is happening and blood glucose is indeed swiftly rising in response to certain foods. Only avoided by food where this doesn't happens. Impossible to know by a statistically hypothesized GI, at least in my case.
 

If Blood sugar goes above 140 the damage is real, even if the GI has been low.

Edited by pamojja, 06 July 2016 - 10:27 PM.

[aconita]

In my view this is all very nice but in practice has to do with insulin sensitivity and that can be improved only going low carbs and maybe even intermittent fasting plus 1 or 2 days 24 hours total fasting a week (but always low carbs).

 

Only when sensitivity is restored the reintroduction of moderate carbs every second day might make sense to be monitored by a glucose meter.

 

If one is not prepared to go low carbs is better to make peace of mind and live with diabetes, period.

 

Going low carbs all of a sudden is not a smart approach and definitely doesn't suit everybody, a slow and progressive approach is very easy for anybody and definitely feasible without any particular stress, it might take 6 months or more but who cares?

 

Better slow than nothing, actually way much better, I'll say.

 

Now you know the secret to succeed, no rocket science but for some reason missed by most, maybe because nowadays people wants everything NOW, at a click of a button...or at the swallowing of a magic pill...unfortunately (or luckily) it doesn't work like that in real life.   

[shadowhawk]

I was taking 3 shots of insulin a day plus meds.  I have had a dozen meters and have taken thousands of tests with them.  I have been around the diabetic movement.  My parents both had diabetes as well as my two brothers.  I no longer take anything except supplements and do an A1C every 4 months.  I do LCHF DIET with intermediate fasting. Acotina is right.  Diabetes is a metabolic disease all about Insulin.  If you don't control Insulin you will never control Diabetes. Do as you will but as acotina said, make peace with living and dying with Diabetes.  The KETO diet is another very good one.

[shadowhawk]

How to reverse Diabetes. 

 

https://intensivedie...ck-start-guide/

 

 

 

[chimichanga]

Low fat diets are very dangerous. Years of scientific research have shown high fat diets with very low amounts of carbohydrates are fantastic for health. Diabetes is inevitable with low fat diets.