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[Daniel Cooper]

Curcumin, one of the major components of tumeric is a potent anti-inflammatory.

 

I have recently jumped of long term use of a NSAID (meloxicam) due to a desire to suspend using PPIs.  This was not possible while on the NSAID due to the classic gastrointestinal issues that typically accompany NSAID use.

 

However, I've got some aches and pains and I'm also interested in the health benefits of tumeric.

 

Can I expect the same sort of GI issues (mainly reflux) that my prescription NSAID was causing?

 

 

 

[aconita]

With turmeric powder up to about 2.5g twice a day I never experienced any issue whatsoever.

 

An interesting way to go is by double boiling red palm oil and turmeric powder for about 30 minutes stirring often, stirring is mandatory while cooling in order to avoid turmeric to deposit on the bottom.

 

The end product is a paste quite solid at room temperature.

 

The fat content should ensure good bio availability with the added benefit of tocopherol and tocotrienol.

 

You can add pepper to it for enhancing even more absorbtion but beware pepper can cause undesirable discomfort in some individuals, I am not happy with it, for example.

 

I don't think turmeric is going to have the same pain relief of meloxicam on muscle skeletal pains like ostearthrosy, osteoarthritys, reumathoid artrhitis and such, I would rather suggest a GOOD fish oil since its action on prostoglandins might be of an antiflammatory nature more similar to meloxicam (without the side effects, of course) and/or boron which has proven in many occasions to effectively relief such kind of pains.

 

Hydrogen water might be another good try as would be magnesium and malic acid which anyway you are going to get already with hydrogen water (see the hydrogen water tread and included video).   

 

 

[Dorian Grey]

I've been on Tumeric & Curcumin for years and never had any trouble with it.  

 

Then again, I also take PPC (polyenylphosphatidylcholine), which gives you a cast iron stomach.  

 

http://www.encognitive.com/node/13977

 

 

[sativa]

What you might want to be aware of is that turmeric can interact with your immune system. Depending on its current state, turmeric could exasperate the situation, or help resolve it.

For more information on this immune system angle check out: https://selfhacked.c...-th2-dominance/

Its possible your current condition is influenced by an imbalanced immune system...

Other potent anti-inflammatories include frankincense, glucosamine and holy basil.

PS.
Instead of palm oil, perhaps coconut oil would be a more [environmentally] friendly choice!

[aconita]

Coconut oil is quite different from red palm oil, the tocotrienol content is not even close, delta tocotrienol is missing and the melting point is lower enough that it stays in a liquid form at room temperature when red palm oil doesn't, this makes a bit unpractical the mixing with turmeric since it will sink to the bottom of the container, moreover turmeric mixed as described in red palm oil shifts the melting point further up with the result that a paste consistency is achievable even during hot summer.

 

The antiflammatory proprieties of tocotrienol will add tho those of turmeric, in particular the effects on prostoglandin E2 and the down-regulation of cyclooxygenase-2 gene expression might help with the condition previously treated with NSAID.  

 

The environmental concerns about red palm oil are pertinent to its use as a bio fuel, not as a food and even less as a supplement.

[Daniscience]

Coconut oil is quite different from red palm oil, the tocotrienol content is not even close, delta tocotrienol is missing and the melting point is lower enough that it stays in a liquid form at room temperature when red palm oil doesn't, this makes a bit unpractical the mixing with turmeric since it will sink to the bottom of the container, moreover turmeric mixed as described in red palm oil shifts the melting point further up with the result that a paste consistency is achievable even during hot summer.

 

The antiflammatory proprieties of tocotrienol will add tho those of turmeric, in particular the effects on prostoglandin E2 and the down-regulation of cyclooxygenase-2 gene expression might help with the condition previously treated with NSAID.  

 

The environmental concerns about red palm oil are pertinent to its use as a bio fuel, not as a food and even less as a supplement.

 

Never tried pure red palm oil, it is kind of exotic here in Europe (as coconut oil). Couldn't we use EVOO for example? Olive oil is mainstream and cheap here

 

I once tried a product called "shortening" from Nutiva, it is a mix of red palm oil and coconut oil but not sure about its tocotrienol content. I mean, the color was yellow-ish... and the texture was like butter.

 

I may order Nutiva's red palm oil (from iHerb) if you think it is a better idea. What about adding ginger and black pepper to the mix and boil it altogether? Thanks in advance!

[aconita]

Red palm oil is really of a strong red-orange color, it is very cheap and easy to find in ethnic shops, it comes almost exclusively from west Africa countries and Africans from those countries are likely the main buyers here in Europe.

 

I buy the most expensive I can find and it is 5 euro for 1 liter, I am not sure about the quality difference with the ones costing just about half that price, probably there isn't any but 1 liter last forever to me and the price gets quite irrelevant.

 

By the way I find it quite beneficial on hair and skin, it does stain skin and pillow of yellow.

 

I am not sure adding ginger would be of any help, I prefer ginger in teas or as juice.

 

Adding pepper might enhance curcumin bioavailability but make sure first you are OK with it.

 

Just made another batch yesterday, red palm oil now is liquid at room temperature (we are well above 25 Celsius now) but after turmeric is added, heated in double boiling and cooled down in the fridge for a few minutes it turns solid like margarine and stays solid at room temperature, weird but real.  

 

Olive oil will do but turmeric sinks to the bottom making it a little impractical, that's why achieving a solid consistency is preferable in my view. 

 

 

[gamesguru]

At higher doses, it can be quite stimulating, and cause diarrhea... much like ginseng. Very high doses are likely to disturb cell redox states by reducingoxidation to a dangerously low level.

[Daniel Cooper]

At higher doses, it can be quite stimulating, and cause diarrhea... much like ginseng. Very high doses are likely to disturb cell redox states by reducingoxidation to a dangerously low level.

 

What would you consider to be a high dose?

[gamesguru]

High dose is one gram. Very high dose is three.  At that level it literally zaps of of energy, by interfering (I believe) with basic cellular respiration.  I'm dialed in around 600mg (plus pepper of course), might find a sweet spot closer to 1500mg as I enter my forties.

[aconita]

High dose is one gram. Very high dose is three.

 

 

Are you talking about turmeric or curcumin?

 

My turmeric usual dose is 2.5g , sometimes twice a day, without any issue whatsoever...

[dazed1]

 

High dose is one gram. Very high dose is three.

 

 

Are you talking about turmeric or curcumin?

 

My turmeric usual dose is 2.5g , sometimes twice a day, without any issue whatsoever...

 

 

Helo friend, do you or any other can give me and article/study of AVERAGE content of tocotrineols per different kinds of red palm oils? should i just count around 50mg/100g as a general?

 

Example, one from Asia, one from Equador, is there any difference? i found a post claming crude RPO is 120mg/100g that is a bit too high imho.