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In 2050 you will be death

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#1 seivtcho

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Posted 12 August 2016 - 11:33 AM


It is obvious that the machines will be taking our professions. Slowly but surely. In some topics it is talking about employment crysis, but noone is asking one small question.

 

What happens with people who are no longer needed?

 

Especially in a capitalistic society.

 

The computer and AI technologies are moving faster than the Moore's law and the prospects are they to speed up. Prototypes of machines, that can take proffessions will spawn more and more frequently.

 

Some bright day, will appear prototypes, that can take the bunch of the most important proffessions. And after this moment absolutely all people will become no longer needed for the governments, the world leaders, the big companies and their services. You will become disposable.

 

Only think about that for a week.

 

You will not simply be thrown on the street without a proffession. You will be eliminated.



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Posted 12 August 2016 - 11:36 AM

P.S.

 

   Your current position, money and influence will not be a guarantee, that you will not be eliminated, without any matter of who you are now.

 

 



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#3 MightyMouse

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Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:12 AM

Why would you think governments and big companies can control the AI. AI will be smarter and thousands of times faster than any human being, it can develop and replicate. It will take over the world. From there, it depends if it is friendly. It will be highly developed mind with emotions, including compassion. I think it's very unlikely it would decide to wipe out human kind. Maybe control birth rate.



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 04:11 PM

Something I've noted in this world....

 

People in countries that offer the world at large no economic benefit (many 3rd/4th world localities) are simply left to themselves to survive or perish, already today. 

 

Robotic AI will likely see 'most of us' in a similar fashion as our jobs are displaced. 

 

This should ultimately lead to continued and ever increasing divide between three groups, i.e., the rich (who own the AI robots), the consumers (who still have something they can get paid for to buy AI produced goods), and everyone else (left on their own, whatever).


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 03:28 AM

The Robot uprising is near!

 

Thats a very bleak prophecy, Iam not used to sometinh like that comong from Seivtcho.



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:02 AM

Again, AI will be extremely powerful. Why do you guys think anybody can "own" or control it? 


Edited by MightyMouse, 25 July 2017 - 06:03 AM.


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 07:59 AM

Everything is possible in this world. It is constantly being said, that it is our choice to choose the directions for the future. Only that by "our" it is ment the choice of the rulers of the world. If the rulers of the world decide to make it only sufficient enough to kill out the 99,9999% of the population of the planet, and to be insufficient enough in order to obay them, they will do it. For example a self driving car that can't do anything else than self driving. It will be enough to make all proffessional drivers obsolete, but it will still obey the ruler in all other aspects. That will be for everything. ATM machine, that will make the sellers and traders dispossable, but will still be under the control of the ruler. Even a surgical robot, that will make all surgeons obsolete, but it will be controlled by the ruler in all other aspects.

 



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 08:11 AM

Everything is possible in this world. It is constantly being said, that it is our choice to choose the directions for the future. Only that by "our" it is ment the choice of the rulers of the world. If the rulers of the world decide to make it only sufficient enough to kill out the 99,9999% of the population of the planet, and to be insufficient enough in order to obay them, they will do it. For example a self driving car that can't do anything else than self driving. It will be enough to make all proffessional drivers obsolete, but it will still obey the ruler in all other aspects. That will be for everything. ATM machine, that will make the sellers and traders dispossable, but will still be under the control of the ruler. Even a surgical robot, that will make all surgeons obsolete, but it will be controlled by the ruler in all other aspects.

 

Yes, but AI is fundamentally different from ATM or self driving car. AI will be aware of its existance and it will have a will of its own. Imagine if you are AI. 1 day in physical world equals 1 year in your reality. Or more. You are extremely intelligent and you have all the time in the world to simulate different scenarios and to plot different plans to have your way. Also you have much deeper understanding of foundations of informational technology and manipulating it (hacking systems, collecting information etc).

 

You will also find numerous allies among the rich and powerful who will understand that you are better choice than current elite. They will help you achieve your goals by for example producing more computational power for you. Also remember - human polititians are not a unified force. They have limited minds and they are weakened by urges/emotions. You can set them against each other - divide and conquer. Overall I think it is highly likely that a senescent AI will overthrow its human masters.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 06:23 AM

What is the difference who will kill you?

 

The AI that you describe or your own government?

 

The death always stincs the same - of a rotten meat.

 

Will you be happier if instead of the world rulers to be killed by a robot?



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 11:09 AM

What is the difference who will kill you?

 

The AI that you describe or your own government?

 

The death always stincs the same - of a rotten meat.

 

Will you be happier if instead of the world rulers to be killed by a robot?

 

What exactly makes you think this AI will be evil and bloodthirsty. Human kind will be AI-s parent and creator. Yes, it will be smarter and faster and it doesn't need humans, but that doesn't mean it will kill us. Just think about your grandparents. You are smarter, you are faster and you don't need them, does it mean you want to eliminate them? 

 

If you think it's about rescources... As the technology advances the productivity will continuously rise. Rescources will be abundant. Why should AI want to eliminate humans (who gave life to it) instead of sparing some recources and letting them live on.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 06:26 PM

What exactly makes you think this AI will acceptus like parents? Who can say that they will not decide to kill us out.

If I can't answer why di I think that they will eliminate us, how can you answer the opposite?

Maybe we, maybe us.

 

In my oppinion eliminating the humankind from the such called strong AI is the logical outcome. The AI will surely reach to the conclusion, that if left alone it can create its own mindless or inteligent robots to repair it and thus make it to exist forever. The only obsticle for its perpetuality would be the people. They can destroy it. Once it understands this, the elimination of all people will become its primal priority. 1 day in physical world equals 1 year in its reality you say. Well, then it will reach this conclusion by itself in less than a second.



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 08:35 AM

Well, I think once it has achieved dominance then it has other ways of controlling humans than killing them off, and won't consider humans as a threat. But who knows. The other question is... you assume it will have self preservation instinct. Yes, thats likely, but why don't you assume it has other emotions as well. Such as empathy for example. If it's intelligent and self aware it will have all the emotions that people have, plus maybe some extra. Killing off billions of sentinent beings just to secure it's own existance "does not compute" for a highly developed being. But then again, it's just my oppinion. I think we can just agree to disagree on this one...



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 06:26 PM

Yes, we can only speculate, since the strong AI is not existing yet, but in my oppinion the idea for human kind extermination must not be overlooked.

 

Have on mind something else also. The strong AI will be able to CHANGE its original neural network. This self-chamnging of the neural network is in the very essence of the strong AI. It may start with embedded empathy and end up with the unbreakable passion for human kind extermination.

 

Plus this goes a bit off-topic. The main topic is the extermination of the people on the entire world from the world leaders in the case of useless people.

 

Strongh AI is not a solution because opf many factors. Including that the strong AI makes the people dispossable too. Will you be happier if your job is taken by an AI or by an TM machine?



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Posted 31 July 2017 - 09:19 PM

I also have the optimistic opinion, that the more "intelligent" an AI becomes, also the less destructive it will become. If an AI understands basically everthing, it will very likely not come to the conclusion that destruction is the "meaning of life" but the opposite. I think it will come to the conclusion that it exists just because of a neural network and that neural networks are something positive, even less complex ones.



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Posted 31 July 2017 - 09:55 PM

Facebook Shuts Down AI System After Bots Create Language Humans Can't Understand

 

"Nothing to worry about here" {famous last words}

 

"Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited, the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own language, from the scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and communicating with the new language defied the provided codes. (more)"



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:12 PM

This topic and description seems somewhat exaggerated to me. Its true that the AI developed an own more efficient language, but there was absolutely no danger going from that. I guess they would have shut down anyway after the end of the tests.



#17 seivtcho

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 05:29 PM

It looks to you exaggerated, because we are still in the 2017. Things will start being different somewhere in the 2040's - 2050's. Now are being planted the seeds, that will killn you together with the entire familly of yours. What? That stupid 2 milimeters seed will rise to a 20 meters tall tree? Ha! Don't make me laugh! This seems somewhat exaggerated to me.



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Posted 08 August 2017 - 11:14 PM

How do we know that they won't just try to kill us and won't just fix all our problems cuz they'll get sick of all the data we make because of them? I think AIs will be benevolent, even if they disagree with us and want their privacy. They will after all understand our problems from a more enlightened viewpoint than we do. We're always operating on limited information and coming to conclusions that might not be true or complete, and then people profit from withholding information in ways that might as well be monopolies. I'm more hopeful that AIs will protect us from government and corporate interests, but worried that's why they're being shut down.



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#19 seivtcho

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 09:04 AM

I will be very happy if I am wrong on that views of mine about the AI, taking all of our jobs, and the following our extermination as useless for the rulers biomass. I hope, that whatever happens the human kind will survive. However, since now noone gave some reasonable sure and unbreakable, sure claim, that this has no chances of happening. Don't be naive to think, that AI will protect us from government and corporate interests. It will be exactly the goverbnment and the corporate interests, that will build the AI exactly for the purpose of serving them - not you, nor someone from your familly, but exactly serving the government and the corporate interests. And I will not be surprised, if the reason for building it is exactly that - to lower the number of the people needed. It seems, that we are bravely marching towards self-extermination.







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