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#1 magniloquentc0unt

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:06 PM


Hello Folks

Ive been around on these forums for some year now and over these years ive tried many different approaches in my fight against Brainfog, fatigue, broken train of tought, inability to have higher thinking / abstract toughts as i used to. It might be also a consequence of 8months fluoxetine, or of some MDMA use (still low dosages and very few times all evenly spread). subtle depersonalization/derealization component.

To that, add some heavy genital anaesthesia, difficulty reaching climax, pretty strong attention deficit, porn use and videogame use. Basically some dopamine issues.

 

Ive tried numerous supplements (about 40, the usual discussed here), medications (ritalin, tianeptine, reboxetine, wellbutrin, moclobemide, modafinil,) and testosterone terapy.

 

Im now trying to build a long term sustainable stack, using stuff that i found to be working in small dosages but all combined. I would like to hear opinions on that also on long term scenario.

 

25 mg testosterone cream every day

10-15mg pregnenolone every day

moclobemide 150mg a day

rhodiola rosea, gotu kola, gingseng daily (1 pill of each, iherb stuff/concentrations).

Maybe bacopa monniera



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:21 PM

Testosterone and Pregnenolone are not sustainable in the long-term.

 

Btw, have you had your testosteron checked? If you really have issues with that, then you might get something prescribed legally and correctly.

 

You mention Attention Deficit - have you been evaluated for neuropsychiatric disorders?

You do sound as if you might have some ADD/SCT/CDD symptoms. Have you checked yourself against the symptom-list on wiki?

 

https://en.wikipedia...cognitive_tempo

 

If you really have SCT, then your problem may not be dopaminergic - most signs points towards the bigger component being Norepinephrine actually.

It has to do with the Sub-activity in the Superior Parietal Lobe - an area of the brain which responds mostly to norepinephrine - without it, your cognition and attention slows to a crawl.

 

Now, could you rate your med's in order of how much you felt that they helped? For me, this is the order:

 

Bupropion ~ 15-20%

Modafinil ~ 20%

Ritalin/Concerta/Medikinet (ANY methylphenidate formulation, really) ~ 25%

Vyvanse (lisdexamphetamine) ~35%

 

I'm particularly curious about Reboxetine... if your problem is norepinephrinergic, then it should have helped. Strattera (atomoxetine) is generally considered more helpful, but it's not entirely clear why. It's theorized to be connected to the fact that Atomoxetine also causes more direct PFC norepinephrine and DOPAMINE release, (SCT is probably in reverse regarding the relationship between DA and NE, as opposed to ADHD) as well as the fact that Atomoxetine is actually an NMDA-antagonist at clinical doses.

 

I know Strattera has the worst rep' in the world, but IMHO, it's partially unwarranted, mainly because it's given to the WRONG set of patients.

ADHD-ers won't be helped much by strat, so they'll be feeling the side-effects and then some. ADD/SCT/CDD-ers however... WE will be helped immensely by it.

 

The problem with terrible anxiety, even suicidal ideation, which has been reported so often as a side-effect of Strattera (it's always temporary though) is probably connected to the Opiate Kappa-Receptor agonism which one of its metabolites express. The combo of kappa-agonism and NE, makes it feel as if you're super-stressed and failing all the time - hence the harsh response to the drug.

 

You should be able to easily counter it with Tianeptine though - OR... even better... JOIN THE CERC-501 KAPPA *ANTAGONIST* GROUP BUY! ^^ With Cerc-501, you won't be feelin' JACK SH*T of that stress-effect - it blocks all of that agonism, and makes the stress far more bearable.

 

There's also the curious effect of Kappa-antagonism hypothetically enhancing dopaminergic release to some extent. (this effect is only hypotethical, since kappa-agonists have been shown to inhibit dopamine to some extent - some kind of down-stream effect - the kappa's tell your brain your being punished, hence it releases less dopamine. possibly.)

 

 

Right, here's my recommendations, based on the idea that you have Sluggish Cognitive Tempo:

 

1. Vyvanse + INTUNIV (I cannot stress how important the intuniv aka guanfacine is - without it, vyvanse just isn't enough. remember to use low dosage vyvanse as well. 20 mg's should be more than enough)

 

2. Strattera + Tianeptine

 

3. Metadoxine (a drug which enhances NE and DA production, as well as causing upregulation of the Gaba-receptors - it's been shown to increase reaction-speed)

 

4. Pyritinol (a form of vitamine B6, chemically related to metadoxine, also shown to increase reaction-speed)

 

 

There is also the possibility of adding #3 and #4 to #1 and #2, but best to test without it first.


Edited by Stinkorninjor, 21 August 2016 - 03:23 PM.


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#3 magniloquentc0unt

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 06:27 PM

Hi and thanks for your extensive answer

I have had a prescribed TRT period which made me feel a bit better but it wasnt the silver bullet. Ive agreed with my doctor that i will keep taking low doses of testosterone cream when needed to keep the morale up. It also makes me much more active and sporty which compared to my previous zero in that field is a big improvement and will definitely help mentally too.

 

About pregnenolone i have really little experience, but i think it could help. tried it for 4 days now and i havent met a discernable effect yet. (10/15mg)

 

I am interesting in trying strattera. Ill tell you why.

Reboxetine had a very strange effect on me, made me feel slowed down and almost "stoned" in a very different way. No other medication ive ever tried had such a fast and obvious effect on me. Not the ritalin, not the tianeptine, not even modafinil. (im basically immune to ritalin, only works at high dosages and combined with 300mg moclobemide),

So the atomoxetine might be interesting being another NE med with different mechanisms. Unfortunately i will start to order these things online as i think my doctor has a bit of a problem trying to explain all these changes of med to my insurance. (besides the visit is expensive and helps me exactly zero).

 

 



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 06:31 PM

oh and the sluggish cognitive tempo theory is something ive been aware of for a while but kind of forgot it again. I really believe im a weird case and theres no textbook silver bullet for it as of now so i tend to forget all these differences...



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 06:51 PM

Fascinating effect on Reboxetine... I must ask though, because this is important, are you certain it was YOU who was slowed down, and not the world around you? Because this is something that SCT-ers report when on Strattera and Metadoxine - the world seems slower all of a sudden.

 

Well, it's NOT slower - it's you who are faster, MUCH faster than before. It brings the SCT-mind up to the same speed as neurotypicals. For us, this then appears as if the world is literally slowing down.

 

It does sound as if NE-meds have profound effects on you though. I recommend trying to get Strattera through your Dr. though - it's suuuper-expensive without it, ya' see! All of the other compounds are much, much cheaper.



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 07:55 PM

it could very well be, the first day i took the prescribed 4mg and felt super weird. i went out with friends and they asked me if i was ok. sometime ive had a similar "cold sweat" feeling when i have some of my belly ache attacks (getting rarer and rarer).

anyhow ive had very bad side effects in terms of sexual functioning so combined with the "feeling spacey" i did not further investigate... i still take some 2mg from time to time because it somehow feels good... kind of a kratom feeling, relaxing



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Posted 22 August 2016 - 06:38 PM

Fascinating effect on Reboxetine... I must ask though, because this is important, are you certain it was YOU who was slowed down, and not the world around you? Because this is something that SCT-ers report when on Strattera and Metadoxine - the world seems slower all of a sudden.

 

Well, it's NOT slower - it's you who are faster, MUCH faster than before. It brings the SCT-mind up to the same speed as neurotypicals. For us, this then appears as if the world is literally slowing down.

 

It does sound as if NE-meds have profound effects on you though. I recommend trying to get Strattera through your Dr. though - it's suuuper-expensive without it, ya' see! All of the other compounds are much, much cheaper.

 could you show me the links where people talk about reboxetine effects? i havent found nothing at all!

anyway i got interested in what you said, so i am giving reboxetine another go at 2mg every other day (super long half life) and i even try to combine some ritalin to it. I interrupted my trial with reboxetine after a week half a year ago because i was seeing a girl and it made my penis shrink and caused me to ejaculate before reaching orgasm... which was super weird because i need half an hour to reach climax anyway







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