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#1 Philosopher

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 05:36 PM


The more experienced I get, the more I realize that, barring a good diet, exercise, and sleep, every substance will bring the body away from homeostasis one way or another. Racetams, and Aniracetam especially, has always had the habit of bringing me into deep dark pits of despair that would destroy hours of my life and create a lasting type of stress that is definitely not healthy in the long term. 

 

Aniracetam causes an increase of choline receptors. There are two kinds, muscarinic and nicotinic. To save time I'll just say that muscarinic is bad and nicotinic is good. Muscarinic causes depression and nicotinic relieves it. This is why humans have used the basic substances to improve mood, like alcohol and tobacco, which are both nicotinic agonists. However, this is also a fault. With the readily available nicotinic agonists, its very rare for a human brain to have a higher nicotinic receptor density compared to a muscarinic receptor density. We just don't injest substances that effect the muscarinics. That is why racetams cause depression, they increase both types of receptors, but you end up having more muscarinic receptors than nicotinic receptors, and the only way to quickly solve it is by using tobacco or alcohol. It's a really hard con to deal with, especially when one tries to stay away from alcohol and nicotine products. Hopefully in the future someone will find a way to balance those choline receptors, but in the end, its diet sleep and exercise that win for the long haul, time and time again.


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#2 Jomazing

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 11:13 AM

Hey Philosopher.

I just had a read through your post, and i just wanted to mention that you forgot to say "in your own experiences".

As this is a very important issue. 

 

There are many people out there that have experienced either, no effects, bad effects, good effects or side effects.

All I can say is that maybe nootropics have just had bad effects on your mood. Its also very important to start with minimal dosing and not over do it with choline supps, as

this can leave you with low mood. for this reason i use DMAE, and cycle with choline bitrate, plus i use alcar too.

I'm sure you probably know all this, and have done all this too. but each persons chemicals are almost individual like a fingerprint. 

 

Certain Nootropics have given the exact opposit to what your saying. From my own experiences, I have used Aniracetam many times. Aniracetam has been better at dealing with GAD for me

than the cr@p the doctors gave me. I'm currently using prami with great success for anxiety, I have had good experiences with sulbutiamine (providing its cycled) from all three I have been able to disolve procrastination almost to nothing.

 

I hope that your not one of the unfortunate few that do not experience the many benefits of nootropics. or maybe you havn't cycled certain racetams.

 

Have a look into choline use, related to low mood/depressive feelings.

 

Just a side note, Have you seen ayurvedic sups? 

Bacopa,

Ashwaganda,

Purblack (shilajit)

Gotu kola,

Lions main mushroom.

 

These all have had very good results on mood and memory with longterm use, again you may already have heard of these, so appologies if so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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