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[misterE]

Everyone these days are so scared by "white-foods". White means nutritionally void automatically, although this is far from truth, most some-what health conscious people know that white-rice is nutritionally void and causes diabetes, white-potato... makes you obese. Well with my spirit of rebellion I created a new diet, the first one of which is called The Unessential Diet , however I only got one reply which really hurt my ego, so I came up with The All White Diet, in the hopes to spark a "diet revolution" and perhaps strike a multimillion dollar book-deal...

 

You see most diets focus on removing certain macro-nutrients in order to cut calories, which helps losing weight: low-carb, low-fat, low-protein (vegan), etc.  My new view is not to remove any macro-nutrient or food group, but rather to remove color:

 

Carbohydrates are not essential for survival, but are essential for health and vitality, good sources of carbohydrates would be:

 

Refined white-sugar

White-flour

Potato (without skins)

White-rice

Bananas (flesh only)

Apples (flesh only)

 

Fat is not essential either because we can make most of the fat we need in a process called: de novo lipogenesis from excess carbohydrates (fructose in particular). But lets face it; fat tastes good, it adds energy-density to food, and insulates the body. Fat is needed for some cholesterol production which besides providing the main substrate for sex-hormones, also provides structural support for nerves and cells. Plus a bit of body-fat might be a good thing; it stores toxins and keeps them away from vital organs, it insulates and provides a shock absorbent, and it produces a beneficial hormone called leptin. Plus body-fat is what gives women those sexy curves and nice squishy breasts!!! Fats to include would be:

 

Cream (half and half)

Coconut-oil (refined preferably) 

 

Next comes protein. Protein is needed for the structure and repair of the body and its tissues and can also be converted into glucose during times of dire-straights like in diabetes or starvation. Protein is also used to make certain hormones and what not. Protein sources permitted on this diet would be:

 

Milk

Egg-whites

Navy-beans

Lima-beans

 

 

 

So if anyone wants to try this and report back, it would be greatly appreciated. Also try plugging these foods (this diet) in to Cron-O-Meter, the data is surprisingly well! Please I welcome questions, comments and criticisms. Thank all of you here on the great Longecity.org

 

 

 

[m55m]

tremella (edible white fungus)

white kidney bean

Chinese cabbage

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I think some natural foods in white are fine, but not refined ones.

[pamojja]

 

So if anyone wants to try this and report back, it would be greatly appreciated. ..Please I welcome questions, comments and criticisms. Thank all of you here on the great Longecity.org

 

In my case have to disappoint you. Do regular blood-glucose measurement to revert a pre-diabetes. Last month on 2 social occasion I cheated once with two handful of rice, and on the second occasion half a cup of chickpea. Each cheat cost me a blood-glucose of above 180 mg/dl, while otherwise eating an all no white diet it remained in average below 130 mg/dl.

 

Why not simply accept that there is no one diet that fits for all? And get your multi-million dollar book deal from that?

[timar]

misterE, your dietary speculations are becoming increasingly absurd.

 

I guess poeple like you are comfortable living the "post truth" era, where reality is something to suit anyone's fancy, or agenda. I am not. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer to stick with the evidence, with the facts, with the ideal of truth. And in this case the evidence tells us clearly and unequivocally that your "Unessential Diet" dietary concept is about the unhealthiest possible way to eat. Period.

 

No go ahead and join the AGW deniers, birthers or flat-earthers, whatever. Or apply for a job as Trump's nutritional policy consultant...

 

Or maybe this is all supposed to be satire? In this case: brilliant, you got me bamboozled

Edited by timar, 08 December 2016 - 06:02 PM.

[tunt01]

Fat is not essential either because we can make most of the fat we need in a process called: de novo lipogenesis

 

 

What about the basic needs for essential fatty acids n-3 and n-6 and an external source?

 

I'm all for a different viewpoint on diet, but this 'all white' diet is like intentionally provocative to the point of nihilism.

[timar]

I'm all for a different viewpoint on diet, but this 'all white' diet is like intentionally provocative to the point of nihilism.

 

No, that doesn't do justice to this term coined by the great philosopher Nietzsche. It's not nihilism, it's just a bunch a baloney.

Edited by timar, 08 December 2016 - 06:26 PM.

[sthira]

Personally, I try to eat as many brightly colored whole fruits and whole vegetables as possible. But there are some whities in there, too -- white pears, cauliflower, garlic, ginger, Jerusalem artickoke, jicama, kohlrabi, mushrooms, onions, parsnips, shallots, turnips, white corn, white nectarines, white peaches, cabbage, beans fennel, tofu... I can't remember the last time I ate a white potato. Why not eat a sweet potato rather than a russet potato?

And why would you eat "...refined white-sugar, white-flour, white potato (without skins), white rice, bananas (flesh only), apples (flesh only)...?" That's a misterE to me alright. With the exceptions of an occasional banana (and I do eat many apples with skins -- the most nutritious part about apples -- of several varieties) you've listed many of the food-like substances I actively avoid.

[pamojja]

Or maybe this is all supposed to be satire? In this case: brilliant, you got me bamboozled

 

It's all about the rainbow diet ;-)
 

[sthira]

Do regular blood-glucose measurement to revert a pre-diabetes. Last month on 2 social occasion I cheated...with half a cup of chickpea. Each cheat cost me a blood-glucose of above 180 mg/dl, while otherwise eating an all no white diet it remained in average below 130 mg/dl.

I would have thought chickpeas would do the opposite, and lower or stabilize blood glucose? Do all legumes affect you this way? I have to admit I eat a ton of beans, and love chickpeas. I drizzle olive oil on them...

[pamojja]

I'm very sensitive to carbohydrates, and already above a small threshold is sending my blood sugar up. Even cut out milk in coffee, and eat only half an apple a day, because analysis of my diet showed there was the most hidden and to avoid in the case of my diet.

 

When on vacation in a high-carbohydrate country, like India - where I avoid all white stuff like white rice or chapaties - but do eat a lot of curries with different legumes, I come back already after 6 weeks with 6.2% glycated hemoglobin. While at home I can maintain a HbA1c in average at 5%.

 

However, we are all different, and you may indeed do perfectly fine with legumes. A cheap blood-glucose monitor would tell.

Edited by pamojja, 09 December 2016 - 11:20 AM.

[timar]

I'm very sensitive to carbohydrates, and already above a small threshold is sending my blood sugar up. Even cut out milk in coffee, and eat only half an apple a day, because analysis of my diet showed there was the most hidden and to avoid in the case of my diet.

 

When on vacation in a high-carbohydrate country, like India - where I avoid all white stuff like white rice or chapaties - but do eat a lot of curries with different legumes, I come back already after 6 weeks with 6.2% glycated hemoglobin. While at home I can maintain a HbA1c in average at 5%.

 

However, we are all different, and you may indeed do perfectly fine with legumes. A cheap blood-glucose monitor would tell.

 

It is always interesting to see how differently people react to carbohydrates. I have once done some glucose tolerance testing, using one of those cheap monitors, but fortunately I never managed to get my postprandial blood glucose above 120 mg/dl, even after eating heaps of white rice. I wonder whether you have been though a period in your life with severe illness or very bad nutrition that may explain your compromised glucose uptake? Or maybe you just carry some uncommon polymorphisms. Have you ever had your postprandial insulin levels checked?

Edited by timar, 09 December 2016 - 02:14 PM.

[pamojja]

I wonder whether you have been though a period in your life with severe illness or very bad nutrition that may explain your compromised glucose uptake? Or maybe you just carry some uncommon polymorphisms. Have you ever had your postprandial insulin levels checked?

 
Pneumonia at birth and repeated courses of antibiotics during early childhood, crumbling teeth already at that time, probably due to tetracycline injections as new-born, meningitis with 7. Vegetarian since age 10 - increasingly leaving out fish and eggs too. Quiting alcohol with 20. 4 times tropica and 3 times vivax malaria from age 28 to 33, during that time also plantar fistular psoriasis on both feet soles, as well as a spinal cord infection - each time bet-bound for 8 months. NAFDL and seasonal rhinitis started at that time too. Bilharzia and my first root canal treatment with age 38. PAD due to 80% stenosis at my abdominal aorta bifurcation short after with 42.
 
At that time started to add eggs, fish and wine to my diet again, starting with Linus Pauling Therapy and cutting out sugar. After 1 year could walk 1 hour again, after 2 years 2 hrs - up from only 3-400 meter pain-free walking distance at the time of diagnosis. Realizing my carb-intolerance by blood-glucose measurements went low carb. The 3rd year due to a chronic bronchitis for one year also got a diagnosis of COPD, of which I gladly can't feel anything after I got rid of the bronchitis. From Endocrinologists, after investigating my below normal free testosterone during all preceding years - after multiple retesting and finally a once slightly above lowest range for free testosterone - hypogonatism was ruled out, but paradoxically got a T2D diagnosis due to the once off HbA1c instead.. Also CKD stage 1 according to an online calculator.
 
Since 2 years the PAD specific pain in my legs isn't anymore (now 8 years since diagnosis). Got a 60% disability certified by our Government, and could have easily died a couple of time. Didn't, but am determined to get rid of the remaining CFS symptoms too (only being able to work 5 hours and needing 10 hrs of sleep each day, or extended exhaustion, back pain and concentration difficulties till the next full day I can exclusively spent for rest).

My average fasting insulin has been 6.8 µIU/mL, C-peptide 2.6 ng/ml, HbA1c 5.1%, fasting glucose 101 and postprandial (peak at 1 hour) 126 mg/dl. Never get hypoglycemic. Haven't been able to get a postprandial insulin. In fact it's getting increasingly difficult to get it retested, because of my normal HbA1c that good in check by going low carb.

Edited by pamojja, 09 December 2016 - 04:36 PM.

[pamojja]

I wonder whether you have been though a period in your life with severe illness or very bad nutrition that may explain your compromised glucose uptake?

 
Forget to add. Traveled 10 years of my life, mostly in poor countries. The food one gets in these countries in restaurants is usually meat. Since that is what the locals able to eat out there want. So as a vegetarian, that for example mostly meant tortillas and beans in Mexico, rice and beans in Africa (the perfect all white diet..;-). Unless able to cook for myself. Or in touristy places, which I preferred to avoid. Gladly South Asia with their vegetarian culture was better than that.

Edited by pamojja, 09 December 2016 - 04:40 PM.

[sthira]

I wonder whether you have been though a period in your life with severe illness or very bad nutrition that may explain your compromised glucose uptake?

Forget to add. Traveled 10 years of my life, mostly in poor countries. The food one gets in these countries in restaurants is usually meat. Since that is what the locals able to eat out there want. So as a vegetarian, that for example mostly meant tortillas and beans in Mexico, rice and beans in Africa (the perfect all white diet..;-). Unless able to cook for myself. Or in touristy places, which I preferred to avoid. Gladly South Asia with their vegetarian culture was better than that.

Has fasting (e.g., abstention from all food for varying time lengths) played any role in your increased health throughout the years?

[pamojja]

Has fasting (e.g., abstention from all food for varying time lengths) played any role in your increased health throughout the years?

 
Only fasted for 3 weeks when young, without giving attention to health. Once I realized my glucose-intolerance for 1 week. This were the reading during that week:
 
2. day - 83
3. day - 72
4. day - 100
5. day - 65
6. day - 101
 
After that (middle of 2011) hell broke loose:

parameters        units reference optimum avg.  | 2016    2015    2014    2013    2012    2011    2010 
avg. fasting Glucose mg/dl 70 - 109  70-90  101 | 109 102 95 97   89 92   95 94   104 124 120 103 90 100
avg. postprandial Glucose mg/dl < 140 < 110 127 | 129 126 124 135 119 118 110 132 124 134 147  -  135 123

All reading are average measurements for up to 1 month. Can only suspect, that my liver got really good a gluconeogenesis within that 1 week water fast.

 

Only after upping 0.8 g of supplemented magnesium to 1.8 per day (added a mineral water with 1 g per liter) middle of 2012 did it improve substantially again.

 

However, I do eat only 2 times a day with at least 15 hrs fasting window.

Edited by pamojja, 10 December 2016 - 01:17 PM.