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[BieraK]

Introduction (The introduction can be skipped and go immediately to the question)

As we know ketogenic diet has positive effects on the body, among them a higher mental energy due to consumption of ketonic bodies from brain, increased axon growth, and has excellent effects on autophagy process, and can even produce mitochondrial biogenesis and mitophagy.
As I understand for doing a correct and "normal" ketogenic diet you first need to eliminate all glycogen reserves, For doing this it requires a fasting of two days and then begin to consume a diet high in fat, followed by protein and 20 grams of carbs (this is the standard ketogenic diet, not the paleo diet. Paleo diet is confused by some people as the ketogenic diet).

However a Keto diet is a bit hard to do, and in the long term it is the possibility of slowly starting to lose muscle, that was what happened to me when I made a ketogenic diet, it worked perfectly, the smell of my body changed, I had a lot of energy, but I started to lose muscle and over time it became very boring.

Questions
So my question is this: Is it possible to induce a ketosis state for only 24 hours, in order to enter in ketosis once or twice a week?. With this in the following days you could do a normal diet or build muscle with protein and some carbs

I usually practice intermittent fasting, I skip breakfast and sometimes I eat when it is only 6 o'clock in the afternoon, so the other option is this:
It is possible to stay in ketosis for 16 hour in a intermitten fasting protocol, like the 16:8?

Basically I want the mitophagy, mitobiogenesis and brain energy effects from ketosis in a window and controlled time. This way I can generate muscle the following days of the week and "at the same time" produce autophagy and mitophagy states from ketosis.

Possible ideas

I'm thinking in bulletproof coffe as an option, It is possible to induce a ketogenic state with a bulletproof coffe first thing in the morning with adding some supplements or drugs, like metformin, quercetin, cinnamon?
 

Edited by BieraK, 17 December 2016 - 10:21 PM.

[Spicyramyun]

If you are doing intermittent fasting in the days prior to it could be possible to go through a bit of the ketogenic induction period with a planned ketogenic day.  How fast do you normally take to get into ketosis?  I imagine with proper meal planning you could pull this off.  If you were having muscle loss I believe there are some ways around that.  Ketogains on Red had quite a few who were successfully building muscle during their keto and lifting programs.

[BieraK]

Yes I've heard of Ketogains in reddit, however still looks a bit difficult, if Leangains [1] is difficult due to the lifestyle in the city, with work, studies, etc... Ketogains looks more difficult.

Ketosis needs 24 - 48 hours of fasting. My intermittent fasting protocol is a flexible 16:8, there are 16 hours of no eating and a eating window of 8 hours, however it could be donde in a more flexible way for example 14:10.

My regular fasting is, wake up, coffe with green tea cup, and then some supplements like Grape Seed, Andrographis Paniculata, Methylene blue... Vitamin b3, curcumin, quercetin. I try not to take vitamin 3 close to meals. 
 

Varies slightly, but usually 1) Andrographis, 2) Grape seed and 3) a dose of 10 mg of methylene blue have been my supplements for the last 5 months. Usually I eat when it's 3 o'clock, sometimes an earlier type 2 pm, on the best days I try to eat at 6 o'clock.

On some occasions I consume 400 mg of Metformin in the morning along with methylene blue and the other supplements. No problem with dizziness or anything like that, just very hungry that disappears with the passing of the morning.

[1]Leangains: 16:8 intermittent fasting, with workout on an empty stomach the protein and carb consumption after the workout, with a 8 hours window for eating

Edited by BieraK, 17 December 2016 - 11:34 PM.

[Spicyramyun]

Yeah, the Ketogains does have a bit more management involved of your macros.  As to your onboarding of keto you could incorporate fat bombs as well as the bulletproof coffee.  I am actually going to try out some of the Braidy Milk when I start testing my keto meal replacements.  I think I am going to use them to start induction and then transition into the different keto shakes.