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C60-oo can be lethal

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#1 Kalliste

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:54 AM


For the newbies here, C60 turned out to be lethal in one experiment when researchers accelerated the peroxidation process.

 

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:55 PM

I agree there needs to be a permanent post here. Human beings as we all know make irrational decisions, we are programmed to make them, the tantalising prospect of slowing down or reversing the aging process is likely to exacerbate that trait, we cannot simply wash our hands and argue it is down to the individual to ensure they carry out the full and proper research and discern correctly, when they may not either possess the temporary, inherent or potential capacity to do so - if indeed any of us can: it is a tough trade-off. Even so, the prospective downside of getting it wrong, of failing in these duties of diligence, is not proportional to the perceived crime: where as a community we can help to inform we are obligated to do so.

 

I feel there should be a post summarising the considerable anecdotal experiences with humans and pets; the now 5 experiments (Baati, Agevivo, Ichor x 3) involving mice and c60oo; theories of action and very importantly the way forward. If say it is proposed that in 18 months time it is anticipated a product will be developed which will be robust, non toxic, without the formation of epoxides which at this stage appear to be the root of the risks, this would I believe enable more informed judgement and perhaps forestall newbies from diving in. And perhaps a suggestion of a steer towards other less risky supplements or activities to delay aging. This might appear condescending to some, but it is a broad church here.


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#3 Graviton

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 02:08 PM

Where is your scientific reference?



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 02:19 PM

Where is your scientific reference?

 

It probably should read either could (in humans) or can ​(in mice). Cosmicalstorm is referencing to this update from kmoody.


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#5 Kalliste

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 04:08 PM

I think most people would not want to use a supplement that can kill you if the delivery guy left it in the sun for a few hourse.

 

Lets wait for Moody to finish up, maybe if we were poisoned we might be able to reverse that damage by using Kyle Moody C60 :-D



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 06:54 PM

I think most people would not want to use a supplement that can kill you if the delivery guy left it in the sun for a few hourse.

 

Lets wait for Moody to finish up, maybe if we were poisoned we might be able to reverse that damage by using Kyle Moody C60 :-D

 

Although we don't know if that's anything like the environmental equivalency of his experiment. It seems though pretty certain that c60 just mixed in olive oil is not particularly viable for widespread use.



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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:42 PM

... Kyle Moody C60 :-D

 

Kelsey would be pissed off at that Kyle guy stealing his work  :cool:


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Posted 24 February 2017 - 08:14 PM

This is not a new thing. Five years before the rat paper got people excited, one of the authors pointed out that C60 and light is a dangerous combination. See Toxicity Studies of Fullerenes and Derivatives. Light exposure can cause C60 to create free radicals and pick up random adducts that can possibly be toxic. This is a very likely a problem if applied to exposed skin, and also if kept in a glass bottle that allows light to penetrate. Even red light is a problem and amber bottles are almost transparent to those frequencies. 

 

As discussed above, three outcomes of light exposure to C60, degradation, polymerisation and oxidation, may be expected. The first two are changes in the chemical species which generally occur upon UV irradiation. Visible light has been shown to induce C60 photo-chemical transformations and have been shown to have a low energy gap of approximately 1.8 eV, which excites ground state electrons in C60 to the excited state and causes oxidation in the presence of oxygen [16] and [26]. Our expectation is therefore to observe phenomena associated with fullerene oxidation, and is indeed confirmed by spectroscopic data.

 

http://www.sciencedi...021979715000326

 

 

1.8 eV is near the middle of the band for red light, which easily penetrates the bottles from suppliers of C60-OO.

 


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