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#1 Bugaboo

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 02:31 PM


Hello. I am new to this site and i have been interested in immortality research. I have decided to invest my life into this.

I want to go all in for this and i am not interested or satisfied with a long life, i do not want to die. I mean, all or nothing.

So, what are the options for me to actually help research/invent immortality?
I know there are very different ways to achieve immortality but which one is the most promising for your opinion?

For my interests, skills and oppurtunities;
I want a career that is demanding. (I can be busy all the time)
I want to specilize rather than know a lot of stuff.
I like to expend my knowledge on a subject or subjects everyday.
I do not like to just memorize.
And i want something from my career in case i happen to be mortal... That is to actually be productive in a sense that is about the real world. I do not like pure mathemathics for this reason, for example.

These are only secondary. If there is something completely opposite of what I want but have the most opputunity and chance to achieve immortality then I would take that.

I am now thinking about studying molecular biology and genetics. Biochemistry, microbiology, bioengineering, nanotechnology, neuroscience and all are ofcourse options.

Edited by Bugaboo, 15 April 2017 - 03:01 PM.


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 03:19 PM

From your requirements and options, it seems to me, that the genetics will fit you the best.



#3 Bugaboo

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 06:28 PM

Thanks for your suggestion. How your suggestion would be if I wanted to know general knowledge rather than specilize?

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:26 PM

I would recommend biochemistry. It is an easier pivot to go from biophysics/biochemistry to "lighter" disciplines like genetics, cell biology, etc. Most therapeutics are studied and operate at the level of protein interactions. Even emerging therapies like next-gen biologics, antibodies, gene therapy, etc. are assessed at the level of the protein, despite being edited at the DNA or RNA level. I also feel that coupling a strong biochemistry background with a secondary skill sets such as law (intellectual property), computer science (bioinformatics), or business (industry) would give you flexibility to create a lot of positive change in diverse spaces, and the specific focus of your biochemistry thesis work could be used to "specialize" you in a specific area of interest.


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#5 seivtcho

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:47 PM

Thanks for your suggestion. How your suggestion would be if I wanted to know general knowledge rather than specilize?

 

For general knowledge I would recommend you some medical gerontology book.

 

Or some popular reading about aging. For example "Ending aging" by Aubrey De Grey



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:04 PM

I want intuitive problem solving rather than detailed. Also, options are just examples... I have also math, physics and many other majors as option. How can I plan my career path?

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 06:28 PM

If you want my oppinion for the best to learn in order to devote yourself for the cause for living longer, then my oppinion is medicine. Become a doctor. Best a doctor for treating heart or brain diseases - cardiologyst, neurologyst, invasive cardiologyst, cardiosurgeon, neurosurgery.

 

From the options, that you posted so far:

 

Your first ideas were more connected with living longer and immortality

"molecular biology and genetics. Biochemistry, microbiology, bioengineering, nanotechnology, neuroscience"

compared with your later ideas - math and physics. 

Math and physics diverge with sciences for living longer and from trying to live forever.

 

Actually, you can learn whatever you wish, and to have some touch with longevity and immortality. E.g. to redirect your knowledge into how to use it for developing the information about how to love longer.

 

But if your leading idea is to work towards longevity and immortality, and your options are only the listed, then from all of the options select from your first group.

If it is true, that biochemistry can be a pivot to go from it to "lighter" disciplines as your other options, then maybe really biocheistry.

Further, if you can work as a genetician after having a biochemistry major, maybe the biochemistry is the best choice from the others, that you posted.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:21 AM

Assuming you are intelligent, one way to further the long-term efforts of all research is to have many children. There is no point in having technology if no one is around capable of using it.


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#9 Bugaboo

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:08 AM

I am 17 by the way.
I posted my options as examples. I can choose whatever I wish. And yes, I will devote myself to life extension. But particularly immortality...
I have doubt because my past interests/career plans was philosophy and physics. But I see as a responsibility to work towards immortality and longevity.
If the best option is related to biological sciences then I will study biological sciences. Is there any way I can do research in immortality without studying biological sciences.
It is not a problem so much though.
Why medicine? I don't wanna look for patients.
From your messages and my personal research, I am thinking about genetics. Maybe medicine?

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:39 AM

Why medicine is a very long writting with many arguments.

 

In brief, I think, that at that moment (2017) there is only one science that both really knows how to repair the human body and to make the human life longer, and successfully does that on people. This is actually the medicine.

 

Medicine already does something against the aging.

Plastic surgery flatens the wrinkles (plastic and esthetic surgery, the operation is named ritidinoplastics), prevention of teeth loss and early prosthetics prevents the aging changes in the angle of the mandible and the old look of the face (dentistry, prosthodontics), treating kidneys and haemotransfusion helps living longer with worn out and damaged kidneys (nephrology), oncology found out, that the most cancers are treatable if caught and operated in the early stages (all operative surgery specialities), etc., etc., etc., the entire medicine allows us to live longer and longer.

 

The other sciences from the view of the human life, are developmental sciences, that make the things, that the medicine will be in the future. But once ready, they can't apply them. For example, we can imagine, that you have some futuristic remedy, that repairs worn out heart, and turns it into a normal heart muscle. And it must be injected in the heart muscle once in two days for a period of a month. There again comes the need of medical specialists. At least an invasive cardiologyst.

 

This can be a long story with many arguments and contra-arguments.

 

Here is a topic, about why medicine is a good choice.

http://www.longecity...armd-phd-or-md/



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:44 AM

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I dont know your capabilities (mental and economical), but eventually you may think about taking them both -> genetics and medicine.

 

Is it possible in Turkey, komsu? :) I dont know.

 



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:51 PM

For my capabilities:
I like intuitive, big picture, strategic and logical thinking. I am not good with the details and memorization.
I don't know if you take personality tests seriously but, I am an INTJ type 5. I recommend you to make research about MBTI, from Micheal Pierce maybe. It is nice a thing.
I am a 17 year old male.
I was thinking about physics but I decided that death is a pretty bad thing :)
Even though I was thinking about physics, I don't like purely academical stuff (pure math example)
I am pretty idealistic, I like to learn as much as I can about immortality and I am willing to sacrifice everything for it.
Biochemistry actually not an option in this country but I can self-taught myself, that is why I am asking.
My options are; MD, molecular biology and genetics, chemistry, engineering, computer science, physics...
I guess molecular biology and genetics or MD are best options.

For economy, I don't have it much.

MD program is 4 year theory and 2 year practice. Mol. bio. and genetics is 4 year.

The main problem is, actually I don't even know where to start... I am so undecided. I was very undecided even before my decision about immortality... I don't want to make any career mistake and get demoralized. Bio-hacking is quite nice by the way.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:58 PM

By the way 6 and 4 years are just undergreduate. I writed them i case they are different in Turkey.

Edited by Bugaboo, 20 April 2017 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:56 PM

Once having MD you will have to start some specialization. That makes the years more, but it worths. If I were you, I would not count the time parameter.

 

Simply start with the one that you feel the right for you - MD or mol.bio and genetics

 

But when you start it, do the best from you.



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Posted 08 May 2017 - 06:55 AM

I am exactly like you, I do not want to die ever, it is the worst faith of all...nothingness for eternity. Death has been given me anxiety since 7, I couldn't stand the thought of it. At fifteen years old, I thought a lot... and came to the conclusion that immortality was the only solution. I rarely speak about it to people, if they want to die and be dust of the universe it is their problem. I will spend my whole life trying to find a way for it. At first I wanted to specialize in nanotechnology, then I changed to mathematics so I can do trading in the stock market in the goal of becoming as rich as I can so I can afford eternal life. There is many potential ways for immortality and I believe being rich is the safest choice, but not an easy one either. A few members of my family are already millionaires but I can only count on my own for this. Death is not a law of physics, it is not gravity. It's a biological process based on micro reactions that we can theoretically alter with science. It's just a matter of how and when. Good luck.


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#16 Bugaboo

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 12:01 PM

If i choose medicine, what do you guys think about speciality? Which medical speciality/specialities would be right for this?



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Posted 27 May 2017 - 04:46 PM

My view - specialities concerning the heart and the brain

 

cardiology, cardiosurgery, invasive cardiology, neurology, neurosurgery.

 



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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:46 AM

If i choose medicine, what do you guys think about speciality? Which medical speciality/specialities would be right for this?

 

Get into medical school first -- that is no easy task. Most specialties can be adapted to your interests and in many respects, you do not have a choice on the specialty. Your residency choices will be limited (or not) by your performance in medical school.

 

Another thing to consider is that process is as (if not more) important than the technical knowledge. For example, I went to medical school so that I could better understand considerations for translational research such as clinical trial design, patient inclusion/exclusion criteria, trial endpoints, etc. in addition to obtaining a reasonable overview of medical A&P and pharmacology. During the interview when they asked "Why do you want to be a doctor" I told them "I don't, I want to know how doctors/clinics/hospitals work so I can develop drugs that can better support them". So what is your goal? If it is anything other than to be a medical doctor and treat patients I would advise against medical school.

 

Point is, it does not matter all that much what you pursue, just that you start. As you become more familiar with what is actually out there you will be better equipped to make these decisions.



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Posted 28 May 2017 - 06:52 PM

 

If i choose medicine, what do you guys think about speciality? Which medical speciality/specialities would be right for this?

 

Get into medical school first -- that is no easy task. Most specialties can be adapted to your interests and in many respects, you do not have a choice on the specialty. Your residency choices will be limited (or not) by your performance in medical school.

 

Another thing to consider is that process is as (if not more) important than the technical knowledge. For example, I went to medical school so that I could better understand considerations for translational research such as clinical trial design, patient inclusion/exclusion criteria, trial endpoints, etc. in addition to obtaining a reasonable overview of medical A&P and pharmacology. During the interview when they asked "Why do you want to be a doctor" I told them "I don't, I want to know how doctors/clinics/hospitals work so I can develop drugs that can better support them". So what is your goal? If it is anything other than to be a medical doctor and treat patients I would advise against medical school.

 

Point is, it does not matter all that much what you pursue, just that you start. As you become more familiar with what is actually out there you will be better equipped to make these decisions.

 

Please stop developing SSRIs only... :(


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