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#31 aconita

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:58 PM

I am really curious to see masturbating mice in order to check their pre and post hormone levels.:)

 

I suppose researchers with very tiny fingers should be in high demand....


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 10:14 AM

this question is a lot like the one about which supplements to take so you can still drink and smoke yourself into the rabbit hole, to which there is no good answer.  i'll humor you nonetheless because nobody these days seems to learn anything except the hard way.  so cheers to an herbal stack that won't allow you to feel good about yourself after excessive masturbation:  first and foremost, ginger because it boosts testosterone.  you'll also get a boost to dopamine, serotonin, and mental clarity, with some circulatory benefits to boot.  next, forskolin because it boosts oxytocin and general energy levels.  and lastly bacopa for its cortisol modulating properties.  bacopa will also have some dopamine benefits


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#33 joelcairo

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 05:31 PM

How is this remotely like smoking and drinking? Masturbation is far from unhealthy, although I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who suffers extreme depression afterwards.

 

Submitted for your consideration. One can no doubt pick nits with the interpretation of the studies cited, but it's interesting nonetheless. "The typical man who has 350 orgasms a year, versus the national average of around a quarter of that, lives about four years longer."

 

http://www.mensjourn...ve-sex-20121001

 


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#34 Dorian Grey

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 06:38 PM

this question is a lot like the one about which supplements to take so you can still drink and smoke yourself into the rabbit hole, to which there is no good answer.  i'll humor you nonetheless because nobody these days seems to learn anything except the hard way.  so cheers to an herbal stack that won't allow you to feel good about yourself after excessive masturbation:  first and foremost, ginger because it boosts testosterone.  you'll also get a boost to dopamine, serotonin, and mental clarity, with some circulatory benefits to boot.  next, forskolin because it boosts oxytocin and general energy levels.  and lastly bacopa for its cortisol modulating properties.  bacopa will also have some dopamine benefits

 

Supps to avoid alcoholic damage?  PPC to the rescue!  100% effective in preventing cirrhosis and even septal fibrosis in primates. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/8276177

 

As far as smoking goes, so long as you stick to pipe or cigar, life expectancy is about the same as non-smokers.  For those dedicated to their coffin nails, Inositol appears to help prevent lung cancer:

 

http://www.naturalne...r_research.html

 

And IP6 is fairly promising if you wind up getting it.  

 

http://www.longecity...ll-lung-cancer/

 

OK, intermission over; back to the topic at hand.  


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 06:46 PM

looks like i once again didnt explain myself clearly on the internet, i hate when that happens.  the question of 'how can i jerk off frequently and remain energetic' is a lot like asking 'are there any supplements which i can take to smoke weed and remain cognizant'

... if you're doing it at a reasonable frequency, weed once a night, jerking off every 3 or 4, the body very quickly returns to baseline and needs no real assistance.  conversely if youre smoking weed all day and jerking off multiple times, no amount of assistance will return you to baseline

 

also that study didnt control for all relevant variables.  for example the guys jerking off all the time may very well eat healthier, be in better moods, have higher staminas or sex drives in general.  so you confuse cause with effect.  there is also a tendency to assume anything which extends life is wholly good, yet laughter is documented to age the lungs, and exercise, the cartilage.  so this way of thinking, however attractive, clearly has its limits and even perhaps absurdities


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#36 PeaceAndProsperity

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:37 PM

No, masturbation is not healthy, you liberal types have no sense of direction in life. Health doesn't change, what was unhealthy 10000 years ago is still to this day.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:47 PM

No, masturbation is not healthy, you liberal types have no sense of direction in life. Health doesn't change, what was unhealthy 10000 years ago is still to this day.

 

Prove it. This is becoming tiresome.


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#38 PeaceAndProsperity

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:00 PM

 

No, masturbation is not healthy, you liberal types have no sense of direction in life. Health doesn't change, what was unhealthy 10000 years ago is still to this day.

 

Prove it. This is becoming tiresome.

 

Healthy = the way you're supposed to be; an abstraction of true, absolute PURPOSE.

Penis = ejaculate semen into vagina to make baby.

Masturbation = you're stimulating your penis to ejaculate into your hand or tissue paper or whatever.

 

I think you can follow this simple reasoning.
 


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#39 joelcairo

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:22 PM

The reasoning is easy enough to follow, all right. Maybe you can find some fundamentalist website to post this nonsense on. Longecity is mainly devoted to science and fact, not superstition and moralizing.


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Posted 22 April 2017 - 11:15 PM

it also (barely) fits in my hand and sprays on the carpet.  therefore you must agree to my simple reasoning that the design works both ways.   it is also not observed that any species outside the Homo genus have masturbated with any level of regularity or habituality (for interns have observed multiple species of monkey at greath length in the field).  therefore it is and always was meant to be uniquely human.  and sir, good luck proving otherwise


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#41 aconita

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 06:00 AM

http://gizmodo.com/9...mans-1723592357

 

Peaceandprosperity, switching to  "Pointless, Timewasting" tags doesn't make you anonymous...you can do better than that...

 

Spare the "it wasn't me" thing: we know already it wasn't you but your alterego. 

 

No, masturbation is not healthy, you liberal types have no sense of direction in life. Health doesn't change, what was unhealthy 10000 years ago is still to this day.

Healthy = the way you're supposed to be; an abstraction of true, absolute PURPOSE.

Penis = ejaculate semen into vagina to make baby.

Masturbation = you're stimulating your penis to ejaculate into your hand or tissue paper or whatever.

 

I think you can follow this simple reasoning.

 

No wonders you feel like shit after wanking.....but no psychological issues involved here, right?

 

It must be tissue paper allergy....:)


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 07:15 AM

Many research documents showed it was generally healthy to masturbate, we lived longer, and had increased testosterone, reduced stress, and other factors. I think it can be mentally dulling after awhile if you use porn for stimulation. I don't think I'm a porn addict, but it makes it easier if I'm not physically with someone. Forms of porn have become less interesting and didn't have a virgin experience it once had when I was 7 with VHS. I don't personally find it dirty, and just tend to close my windows after I complete anyway. :p

 

Internet porn became a habit around age 12. It's much safer habit then meeting actual people to complete sensation since there isn't a risk of STD or STI transmission. It's one of the reasons why I use porn, rather then meet people or date.

 

I masturbate on average 2 times.

 

 


How is this remotely like smoking and drinking? Masturbation is far from unhealthy, although I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who suffers extreme depression afterwards.

 

Submitted for your consideration. One can no doubt pick nits with the interpretation of the studies cited, but it's interesting nonetheless. "The typical man who has 350 orgasms a year, versus the national average of around a quarter of that, lives about four years longer."

 

http://www.mensjourn...ve-sex-20121001


I personally feel that male physical pleasure can increase attention, concentration, and visual ability; and make them more resilliant to demanding and stressful tasks. Maybe if you search you'll find studies.



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Posted 23 April 2017 - 10:34 AM

http://gizmodo.com/9...mans-1723592357

 

Peaceandprosperity, switching to  "Pointless, Timewasting" tags doesn't make you anonymous.

When I look at the stupidity of the modern liberal man, the things he's willing to believe if only it justifies his petty actions or if only it increases his social standing, you'd think every modern liberal man has an iq of 60.

 

You know what else is common in the animal kingdom? Incest, child rape (pedophilia), eating your own children for food, etc.

 

All that pre-natal estrogen exposure has made you think like a certain species of humans. You can't grasp concepts such as "purpose," right and wrong, and so on.


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 11:10 AM

I already told you and I am not going to repeat that any longer: stop getting personal or prepare to be let alone talking to yourself!

 

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And whom decide what purpose is, you?

 

If you believe masturbating is bad and immoral don't do it since of course you'll feel like shit afterwards, I have no problem with that whatsoever, but don't try to convince others on those moral basis that some physiological mishappening has to occur.

 

Scientific evidence has been asked but you are unable to provide it...simply because there is none.

 

Evidence showing the opposite is plenty but refused by you, of course.

 

Talking about showing IQ levels....

 

You feel bad after wanking because you are convinced it is bad, period.

 

And the link above (http://gizmodo.com/9...mans-1723592357) isn't for you, is for Gamesguru, yes Sir. I got some luck! :)


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 02:08 PM

 

 

No, masturbation is not healthy, you liberal types have no sense of direction in life. Health doesn't change, what was unhealthy 10000 years ago is still to this day.

 

Prove it. This is becoming tiresome.

 

Healthy = the way you're supposed to be; an abstraction of true, absolute PURPOSE.

Penis = ejaculate semen into vagina to make baby.

Masturbation = you're stimulating your penis to ejaculate into your hand or tissue paper or whatever.

 

I think you can follow this simple reasoning.
 

 

 

The above is like Catholic church type religious reasoning at best. This kind of thinking is so primitive that I'm almost surprised to see it on a forum where you would think reason would be valued. Cue tired old Monty Python skit:


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#46 PeaceAndProsperity

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 02:46 PM

Don't worry Aconita, it's not directed at you or anyone else personally. I like some of your posts and others I think are stupid. But you're a decent forum user overall, thumbs up.



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Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:02 PM

 

 

There is really no physiological difference between sex and masturbation. If anyone has a negative reaction to the latter but not the former, I would recommend working on eliminating any BS about moral judgment of the act from one's mindset. Virtually everyone does it and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, period. Enjoy it.

 

That is an unlikely explanation in my case, and I doubt it would explain anywhere near all of these sorts of reports. An alternative and related explanation is that some people are reminded of how unfulfilled their life is when they have masturbated, sort of feeding into already existing depressive thought patterns. 

 

 

Well guilt and embarrassment about masturbation is extremely prevalent, but I think you've put your finger on another reason for people feeling down afterwards. I'm mainly saying that your body doesn't know the difference between the two things, so the problem is based in the psyche.

 

That's fine, although I personally have a great deal of difficulty grasping these practical distinctions between mind and body (probably because I over-think them). (How would the mind be independent from the physiology?)

 

Anyway. Does anyone have a study suggesting that masturbation is associated with increased satisfaction in life? Of course this might be incredibly confounded. So specifically is there a study comparing healthy people outside of sexual relationships who masturbate and who do not masturbate? 

 

Let's assume that this is an entirely psychological issue some people have who feel really bad after masturbation plus ejaculation. Let's say they take the advice of "enjoy masturbation, it is great" and goes ahead and masturbates and tries to feel good, and subsequently fail every time. Well then, this might be one case of bad advice from the secular people. Perhaps it is a lot more reasonable to not masturbate, for some people, rather than go to the modern equivalent of a priest (psychologist/therapist/whatever). How many people with these problems have psychologists and therapists successfully treated? 


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:22 PM

Nobody's saying you should masturbate even if you don't enjoy doing so. If there are psychological or hormonal reasons why you feel bad afterwards, don't do it. The point is that the practice isn't objectively, provably harmful, and there's no reason based in fact to feel bad about it. For someone to take their personal preferences and turn them into some kind of universal God-based proscription is arrogant.

 

...Of course if frequent orgasm really does have a big effect on longevity, per the previous article I cited, then many people will reluctantly decide to tough it out anyways. :-) But honestly I consider that to be doubtful. It's even difficult to prove that things like exercise and healthy eating increase lifespan, so getting convincing data about something like masturbation would be next to impossible.


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:31 PM

Perhaps it is a lot more reasonable to not masturbate, for some people, rather than go to the modern equivalent of a priest (psychologist/therapist/whatever).

 

After all I don't think masturbation is such a big deal, if one feels overcoming the psychological issue of guilty feelings and such too demanding it might be wiser to just let go and avoid it altogether.

 

For someone in a stable relationship I can't see any problem with it, given that the partner is sexually active enough....of course.

 

But for whom a sexual intercourse isn't always an available option it is a bit different, being unable to enjoy to fullest masturbation or to have to choose to not do it at all because the consequences is quite sad and possibly unhealthy too. 

 

PeaceandProsperity, I know you are a good guy after all, that's why I do care interaction is kept clean of bullshit.

 

Everybody has its own view of things and that's the only reason for a forum to exist in the first place, if everybody thoughts were the same interaction would be pointless.

 

The trick is to perceive someone being able to prove me wrong as the best thing can happen, an opportunity to learn something new, not as a personal attack.



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Posted 24 April 2017 - 02:54 PM

I've been abstinent many times for 10-15 days at a time, just as an experiment, after hearing about its health effects, and it's true, after 9th day I always had amazing looking skin, felt like I had more endurance, more motivation, zero social fear etc

 

There is a myth saying that abstinence raises your testosterone, which is not true. It up-regulates your androgen receptors (and I'm guessing dopamine receptors too), ie. you become more sensitive to testosterone. Basically prolonged sexuals absitinence results in hyperandrogenicity

The "sides" I had was that I started to lose hair, plus it was really hard to actually do it (8 out of 10 times I tried I relapsed after a week)

 

And so concerning the bad effects: If you overdo it you end up on the opposite scale of androgen-sensitivity, which is also not ideal

https://raypeatforum...ain-estro.6998/

 

now I ejaculate strictly once a day


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#51 PeaceAndProsperity

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 03:30 PM

Sexual abstinence doesn't only upregulate androgen receptors it also directly increases testosterone levels, both free and total, but then after those few days of abstinence levels begin to slowly decline again back to baseline and later perhaps lower than baseline. Many studies have been made on this subject.

 

 

There are rare cases where abstinence actually makes me feel worse. Those are very rare cases though, but they do happen. Like 1 out of 10 times of sexual abstinence I actually feel worsen than I do when I've masturbated or ejaculated without a partner.



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 02:12 AM

yeah 8 days is supposedly the golden rule.  who the hell determined that, i have no idea.  i think it was wikipedia?  who gives a damn anyways.  i mean if abstinence is supposedly the great strengthener and clearer of reason, then why should anyone be able to jerk off in a mall urinal before getting 10 compliments on their clever lines? hmm


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 12:33 PM

Sexual abstinence doesn't only upregulate androgen receptors it also directly increases testosterone levels, both free and total, but then after those few days of abstinence levels begin to slowly decline again back to baseline and later perhaps lower than baseline. Many studies have been made on this subject.

 

 

There are rare cases where abstinence actually makes me feel worse. Those are very rare cases though, but they do happen. Like 1 out of 10 times of sexual abstinence I actually feel worsen than I do when I've masturbated or ejaculated without a partner.

 

In long term abstinence lowers T, I think.

It is especially observable in wild life: comparing two crocodiles you can immediately tell which one is having more sex than the other -- just by looking at the size of the balls. Literally.

 

When I was abstinent, the hardest days were 4th to 6th day. As I see it, in the beginning of "fasting" your hormones are high and AR receptors are low. Slowly this changes for the opposite, your hormones are going down and you gradually become more AR-sensitive. Somewhere in the middle, there is a short period of low androgens and low AR-sensitivity.

 

I used the word "fasting" intentionally and try to apply it everywhere: Whether it is eating, sex, internet/TV/music, supplements, taking a few days breaks (not from everything simultaneously) just to reset your receptors.

 

To upregulate AR-receptors: L-carnitine, red meat, zinc, vit B, vit D

Or the opposite, AR-degraders: curcumin (turmeric), selenium, silymarin (milk thistle)

Cortisol inhibitors can make you less horny. Cortisol is essential to sexual arousal, being a form of stress.


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 12:52 PM

What you said is not true. You haven't understood how it works. It takes very long before hormone levels decline even during abstinence, and even then it doesn't fully do it. Look at Orthodox Christian monks who devote their life to the worship of God and take an oath of complete sexual abstinence. They have to avoid eating meat and never think a sexual thought, wear clothes that are made from specific fabrics or sown too tightly or whatever, to avoid sexual stimulation.

Just the slightest touch of fabric on their penis can arouse sexual thoughts in them even after years of abstinence.

They go a whole lifetime being celibate and still it is, in their own words, a daily struggle against evil. So? No, you can't reduce testosterone enough by just being abstinent. Even living on a plant based diet is not enough.

 

Furthermore, have you even tried being abstinent for long? Most men eventually ejaculate in their sleep. What's worse is you tend to wake up with your hand in your own pants because you are so sexually sensitive.

 



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 03:33 PM

lol at the idea of abstaining to lower hormones and drive.  cant just do the deed twice a week like the rest of us?  at that point you may as well chemically castrate yourself with an IV drip of Glycyrrhetinic Acid



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 04:47 PM

When we consider that our sex drive is biologically geared towards procreation, it could be useful to consider how our ideal frequency may relate to a woman's cycle.

 

Improving both odds of pregnancy and improving sperm quality 

 

What I find interesting there, is that they seem to feel the ideal is to have daily sex for about 7 days, take a day break, and then resume. And mind, this is for invitro, so it isn't natural conception. They can do whatever works best, without having to deal with typical restraints present.

 

This pretty closely mirrors a woman's reproductive cycle(which gears up and slopes down). She ends her period, and ovulates about 9 days later. So if you stop having sex when she's menstruating, and then start having sex at the end of her period frequently for about a week, take a day break, you'll be in the ideal state to reproduce with the highest quality(least DNA damaged) sperm.

 

I'd say the ideal male ejaculatory cycle probably closely mimics a woman's menstrual cycle. It looks like we benefit from periods of both rest around a week, and also frequent ejaculations for a period of about a week. 

 

It looks like you may end up with a big boost in sex drive after a few days off in order to inspire you to have very frequent sex to get rid of the old sperm waiting around. This way everything that could potentially result in conception is from fresh sperm. A one day pause is good to boost total sperm count, increasing odds of conception. Then after a while, you need a break in order to re-balance your hormones.

 

I know there have been studies showing differing impacts on hormone levels regarding masturbation vs sex with a partner. But I suspect an ideal cycle of less and more frequent ejaculation is likely true in either case.


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#57 PeaceAndProsperity

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 06:47 PM

Yes, you're supposed to have sex at the most once a week, no more. There is no biological basis for having sex every freaking day. And masturbation is a sick act caused like every other human sickness by genetic defects.

But there are interesting things to think about. What about when your wife is pregnant? You can't have children then, so it seems you shouldn't even try, it's a waste of your resources and it only makes you in a natural environment more susceptible to death. So it seems that we humans are supposed to try to have sex every week and then after we have it, and have a child, we lay off for a very long while and depending upon circumstances we do it again, and have another child.


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 07:09 PM

Your body produces semen at a constant rate, whoever be on period or pregnant or not. What can you do with it?

 

Every time I was abstinent for 14+ days, it ended up in one big masturbation feast the next day.

My record was 11 ejaculations in one day. So, you know... People have different sexual drives.

 

Anyway, the main reason why I stick to that frequency, and I expect negative "ill-informed" feedback on this one:

I lose the least hair (androgenic alopecia) when I masturbate once per day.


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