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Low doses of THC improved on learning and memory in aged animals

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#1 naturalmatters

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 03:08 AM


Just read a great article @ scientificamerican about how low dose THC positively effects brain aging and acts as a nootropic. Has anyone used it for this purpose? I was thinking of getting some otc hemp extracts for my dad since it's legal and trying some for myself too. Also what dose of THC would be needed for these effects?

 

 

Here's the article since I can't post links:

 

 

Marijuana May Boost, Rather Than Dull, the Elderly Brain

Senior mice treated with THC improved on learning and memory tests

 

Picture the stereotypical pot smoker: young, dazed and confused. Marijuana has long been known for its psychoactive effects, which can include cognitive impairment. But new research published this week in Nature Medicine suggests the drug might affect older users very differently than young ones—at least in mice. Instead of impairing learning and memory as it does in young people, the drug appears to reverse age-related declines in the cognitive performance of elderly mice.

Researchers led by Andreas Zimmer of the University of Bonn in Germany gave low doses of delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, marijuana’s main active ingredient, to young, mature and aged mice. As expected, young mice treated with THC performed slightly worse on behavioral tests of memory and learning. For example, after THC young mice took longer to learn where a safe platform was hidden in a water maze, and they had a harder time recognizing another mouse to which they had previously been exposed. Without the drug, mature and aged mice performed worse on the tests than young ones did. But after receiving THC the elderly animals’ performances improved to the point that they resembled those of young, untreated mice. “The effects were very robust, very profound,” Zimmer says.

Other experts praised the study but cautioned against extrapolating the findings to humans. “This well-designed set of experiments shows that chronic THC pretreatment appears to restore a significant level of diminished cognitive performance in older mice, while corroborating the opposite effect among young mice,” Susan Weiss, director of the Division of Extramural Research at the National Institute on Drug Abuse who was not involved in the study, wrote in an e-mail. Nevertheless, she added, “While it would be tempting to presume the relevance of these findings [extends] to aging humans…further research will be critically needed.”

When the researchers examined the brains of the treated, elderly mice for an explanation, they noticed neurons in the hippocampus—a brain area critical for learning and memory—had sprouted more synaptic spines, the points of contact for communication between neurons. Even more striking, the gene expression pattern in the hippocampi of THC-treated aged mice was radically different from that of untreated elderly mice. “That is something we absolutely did not expect: the old animals [that received] THC looked most similar to the young, untreated control mice,” Zimmer says.

 

The findings raise the intriguing possibility THC and other “cannabinoids” might act as anti-aging molecules in the brain. Cannabinoids include dozens of biologically active compounds found in the Cannabis sativa plant. THC, the most highly studied type, is largely responsible for marijuana’s psychoactive effects. The plant compounds mimic our brain’s own marijuanalike molecules, called endogenous cannabinoids, which activate specific receptors in the brain capable of modulating neural activity. “We know the endogenous cannabinoid system is very dynamic; it goes through changes over the lifespan,” says Ryan McLaughlin, a researcher who studies cannabis and stress at Washington State University and was not involved in the current work. Research has shown the cannabinoid system develops gradually during childhood, “and then it blows up in adolescence—you see increased activity of its enzymes and receptors,” McLaughlin says. “Then as we age, it’s on a steady decline.”

That decline in the endogenous cannabinoid system with age fits with previous work by Zimmer and others showing cannabinoid-associated molecules become more scant in the brains of aged animals. “The idea is that as animals grow old, similar to in humans, the activity of the endogenous cannabinoid system goes down—and that coincides with signs of aging in the brain,” Zimmer says. “So we thought, what if we stimulate the system by supplying [externally produced] cannabinoids?”

That idea does not seem so outlandish, considering the role of cannabinoids in maintaining the body’s natural balance, says Mark Ware, a clinical researcher at McGill University in Montreal who was not part of the study. “To anyone who studies the endocannabinoid system, the findings are not necessarily surprising because the system has homeostatic properties everywhere we look,” meaning its effects may vary depending on the situation. For example, a little marijuana may alleviate anxiety but too much can bring on paranoid delusions. Likewise, cannabis can spark an appetite in cancer patients but in other people may produce nausea. So the detrimental effects seen in young brains, in which cannabinoids are already plentiful, may turn out to be beneficial in older brains that have a dearth of them.

These chemicals also work to maintain order at the cellular level, McLaughlin says. “We know the endogenous cannabinoid system’s primary function is to try to preserve homeostasis within a given brain circuit. It works like an internal regulator; when there’s too much [neuronal] activity, cannabinoids suppress activity to prevent neurotoxicity.” Restoring that protection might help safeguard the brain against cellular stress that contributes to aging. “A critical takeaway of this study is that they used low doses,” Ware says, considering that different doses could have entirely different effects. It would be difficult if not impossible to translate the dose they used in mice to a human equivalent, “but it’s clear we’re not talking about vast amounts. We don’t know what would happen with higher doses.”

Researchers don’t know exactly how marijuana affects older adults, in part because they have been focused squarely on younger people, who are thought to be at greatest risk. “Because of the public health concern, research has had a very strong focus on marijuana’s effects in adolescence,” Ware says. But although young people make up the largest group of cannabis users, their rate of use has remained relatively stable over the past decade even as the drug has become increasingly available. Meanwhile, use among seniors has skyrocketed as the drug’s stigma has faded. A March study showed that in people aged 50 to 64, marijuana use increased nearly 60 percent between 2006 and 2013. And among adults over 65, the drug’s use jumped by 250 percent.

The researchers don’t suggest seniors should rush out and start using marijuana. “I don’t want to encourage anyone to use cannabis in any form based on this study,” Zimmer says.

Older adults looking to medical cannabis to relieve chronic pain and other ailments are concerned about its side effects, Ware says. “They want to know: Does this cause damage to my brain? Will it impair my memory? If this data holds up in humans…it may suggest that [THC] isn’t likely to have a negative impact if you’re using the right dose. Now the challenge is thrown down to clinical researchers to study that in people,” Ware says.

Zimmer and his colleagues plan to do just that. They have secured funding from the German government, and after clearing regulatory hurdles they will begin testing the effects of THC in elderly adults with mild cognitive impairments.

 


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#2 naturalmatters

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 11:40 PM

Found the full study.

 

https://www.nature.c...ww.newsweek.com

 

3mg/kg was used in mice so the human dose would be about 0.2 mg/kg or 10 mg for my dad. I'm going to order some and have him try it out for a month and report back. Thankfully hemp is legal in my state so they sell it otc. Love feedback from anyone else doing it for their aging dads or themselves.


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#3 naturalmatters

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 01:05 AM

To whoever is marking the scientific research I'm posting as pointless because they are incapable of understanding the importance of a neurotransmitter system's decline in cognition and brain aging. I suggest you educate yourself on the subject and post a response based on factual data but if you were capable of doing that I believe you would have already.

The fact that a human study is underway is great news to enhance our understanding of this neurotransmitter system and may help develop new treatments that act as nootropics. I don't know why any logical person would be oppose to research that helps us understand how our brain works better and enable more effective or different treatment approaches.


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Posted 17 May 2017 - 01:38 PM

how come you decided on something addictive with hella mixed studies, rather than something like rhodiola or ginkgo, or anything you can buy on that dusty shelf at GNC really.  i mean sticking to cannabinoids, cbd would even be better.  you can get it at dispensaries for a lot cheaper than medical suppliers, and the bud is relatively free of thc


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#5 PeaceAndProsperity

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 02:11 PM

how come you decided on something addictive with hella mixed studies, rather than something like rhodiola or ginkgo

Because euphoria bro, drugs are kool! Let's smoke pot, go to parties and have promiscuous sex with promiscuous women! So fun!

Later we can watch Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about science and shit! It's totally kool bro! We live in a simulated universe created by space mechanics! Science is koool!!!

 

Oh wow bro this joint hit me hard I'm spacing out bro. HEY BRO FUCK OFF OR I'LL KILL YOU. Ha ha, it's okay, weed is safe bro, studies show that it's safer than alcohol! It's just temporary cognitive decline and irritability. Ha ha Nothing that more weed can't fix, right? 420 all day every day!!!


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Posted 17 May 2017 - 03:19 PM

As far as I know, the cognitive benefits are relative to MICRO-dosing. This is very similar to the health benefits associated with occasional, low-"dose" alcohol consumption. The benefits don't apply to recreational dosing.


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#7 naturalmatters

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 02:30 AM

how come you decided on something addictive with hella mixed studies, rather than something like rhodiola or ginkgo, or anything you can buy on that dusty shelf at GNC really.  i mean sticking to cannabinoids, cbd would even be better.  you can get it at dispensaries for a lot cheaper than medical suppliers, and the bud is relatively free of thc

 

I've tried him on nearly everything else without much success. Many things are addictive like caffeine but I don't see an issue with coffee or tea. CBD has no research showing an effect like low dose THC has in the study I posted yet you say it's better? Can you post a comparative study? Cannabis (above 0.3%)  is illegal in my state and I would never give it to him nor would he take it but hemp extracts are legal.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 06:26 PM

I just read Scientists Just Showed That Cannabis Literally Reverses Aging today at https://explorist.fu...reverses-aging/. Makes me wonder how much better those mice might do if they were on CR or intermittent fasting in addition to the THC.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 08:04 PM

Interesting study naturalmatters, thanks for the link. Seems I may be microdosing, as you describe it. For example, using 100-150 mg of dried cannabis, (tested in CO to supply ~20% THC-A content), typically gives ~3 'doses'. Therefore, each 'dose' would be 7-10 mg of THC. 

 

For me that small THC dose is way plenty mentally, and nothing like the large amounts the media typically portrays people consuming. Now it seems microdosing may just be the best therapeutic dose. Hurray - moderation in all things is best - again!  I'm glad it is finally under study and proving to offer positive neural benefits that I've always believed it does.


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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:56 PM

oakman that's a micro-dose indeed and you seem to have a really good attitude about it, but i'm sure benefits might apply to the lower end of the recreational spectrum as well and you needn't separate the two.  i'm sure youre also aware of the superiority of eating or vaporizing the herb?  as smoke is nothing more than a noxious slurry of pyrolytic carcinogens and nano-particulates.  even though a lot of studies report the lung cancer as being balanced out by the medicinal qualities of herb (as opposed to tobacco), it still begs the question of why a smart guy would choose a dumb method of administration, why deep fry your chicken and create extra work for your body when you could boil it and feel healthy instead?  why put all those toxins in your blood, don't you have enough from industrial pollution already?  it just doesnt make any sense to me..


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Posted 01 July 2017 - 01:48 AM

oakman that's a micro-dose indeed and you seem to have a really good attitude about it, but i'm sure benefits might apply to the lower end of the recreational spectrum as well and you needn't separate the two.  i'm sure youre also aware of the superiority of eating or vaporizing the herb?  as smoke is nothing more than a noxious slurry of pyrolytic carcinogens and nano-particulates.  even though a lot of studies report the lung cancer as being balanced out by the medicinal qualities of herb (as opposed to tobacco), it still begs the question of why a smart guy would choose a dumb method of administration, why deep fry your chicken and create extra work for your body when you could boil it and feel healthy instead?  why put all those toxins in your blood, don't you have enough from industrial pollution already?  it just doesnt make any sense to me..

 

Thanks for the compliment...I think...but IMO vaping is not lung friendly; eating is vague, nuance is lost.  Fire to vegetable is time tested, immediate administration.


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Posted 01 July 2017 - 09:38 AM

that's like saying glass isn't for babies, bpa bottles are.. makes a whole lotta sense.  one may be more convenient, but at the sacrifice of health safety (forget about broken glass for a moment).  eating is vague?  perhaps you need to be more precise in your statements.  i've had great experiences from edibles.. try eating a little more and being patient.  if you want to talk time tested, vaporization is also time tested, and if you look, more of the intelligent demographic has decided not to put fire to plant,  fuck combustion they say.  and i thought you were intelligent?

 

how is it not lung friendly?  the vapor is delivered to your lungs at a fraction of the temperature as smoke, without any of the traditional toxins (which btw you need a chemsitry degree to pronounce).  the only reason you say it's not lung friendly is cause every time you try to hit a vape you end up coughing your nuts off.  the hot water vapor is just purging your lungs of all the mcnuggets that've built up with years of smoking, like cobwebs in your head, and you would rather revert to your familiar smoke, like a child biting his nails, than make the reasonable change



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Posted 01 July 2017 - 04:40 PM

I've been using cannabis stuff for years on and off, and enjoy low doses that just reach the threshold of the effects. Also, lets say if you study a chapter in an organic chemistry book and then after, use a small amount of cannabis stuff, you can really delve deep and understand how the parts of a system work in problems better. Is cannabis a nootropic? Maybe not, but it can make doing problems more interesting and fun if you already have learned the material sober. 







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