Posted 18 May 2017 - 01:47 AM
Posted 18 May 2017 - 01:32 PM
You'd think the opposite would happen, since benzo receptors are inhibitory and excessive inhibitory activation can lead to these issues.. so when you withdraw you would think excitatory neurotransmitters would enhance emotions.
Which drug did you take and how long is it since you last took it?
Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:19 AM
Threshold psychedelics, St. John's Wort or NSI-189 are possible treatments here. I think Medievil once mentioned Nefiracetam bringing emotions back but I'm not sure about that. Look into benzobuddies website and you'll find plenty of people with loss of emotions, depersonalization etc. Time usually heals these issues eventually, but it can be frustratingly long. Quick route would be taking some empathogen like MDMA or Phenibut but it can be habit forming and isn't usually a long-term solution.
Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:24 AM
I have a few questions, that I think might be useful for you.
1. Do you have difficulty with focusing or hearing your own voice internally as well?
2. Like, do you THINK the way you used to, just without emotion?
3. Are you disinterested in doing stuff as well?
4. Can you still make mental images? Like, if I say, picture a turtle, can you then think of a turtle, and sort of how it looked like, when you watched a cartoon or a wildlife documentary?
Btw, I think it's too early to say you have excitotoxicity, or permanent brain damage, or ANY kind of brain-damage - but if that turns out to be the case, then there are ways around that as well - they're spelled Dihexa, Lithium, NSI-189, Memantine and Ketamine.
(and that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head - there's a plethora of stuff for you to try once we are certain about what your issues are, and what can be done.)
Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:58 PM
I have a few questions, that I think might be useful for you.
1. Do you have difficulty with focusing or hearing your own voice internally as well?
2. Like, do you THINK the way you used to, just without emotion?
3. Are you disinterested in doing stuff as well?
4. Can you still make mental images? Like, if I say, picture a turtle, can you then think of a turtle, and sort of how it looked like, when you watched a cartoon or a wildlife documentary?
Btw, I think it's too early to say you have excitotoxicity, or permanent brain damage, or ANY kind of brain-damage - but if that turns out to be the case, then there are ways around that as well - they're spelled Dihexa, Lithium, NSI-189, Memantine and Ketamine.
(and that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head - there's a plethora of stuff for you to try once we are certain about what your issues are, and what can be done.)
So, I lost all my emotions too but not from benzo. Actually, MRI detected changes in fronto-temporal region (enlarged fluid-space but I think it's just atrophy) and cerebellum . The apathy is sometimes very severe and it making me totally disabled. I'm on diagnostic route but I know that it's serious. Simple schizophrenia is very probable in my case. My question - is there anything that I can do to reverse or stop the damage? NSI-189? Any other neurogenic substances?
Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:06 PM
I have a few questions, that I think might be useful for you.
1. Do you have difficulty with focusing or hearing your own voice internally as well?
2. Like, do you THINK the way you used to, just without emotion?
3. Are you disinterested in doing stuff as well?
4. Can you still make mental images? Like, if I say, picture a turtle, can you then think of a turtle, and sort of how it looked like, when you watched a cartoon or a wildlife documentary?
Btw, I think it's too early to say you have excitotoxicity, or permanent brain damage, or ANY kind of brain-damage - but if that turns out to be the case, then there are ways around that as well - they're spelled Dihexa, Lithium, NSI-189, Memantine and Ketamine.
(and that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head - there's a plethora of stuff for you to try once we are certain about what your issues are, and what can be done.)
So, I lost all my emotions too but not from benzo. Actually, MRI detected changes in fronto-temporal region (enlarged fluid-space but I think it's just atrophy) and cerebellum . The apathy is sometimes very severe and it making me totally disabled. I'm on diagnostic route but I know that it's serious. Simple schizophrenia is very probable in my case. My question - is there anything that I can do to reverse or stop the damage? NSI-189? Any other neurogenic substances?
NSI-189 is very specific for the Hippocampus, and has been developed for the treatment of depression in particular - it's not clear whether it would help with Schizophrenia Simplex or frontal-lobe damage/dementia.
I believe Finn has answered this, though? He showed evidence that LITHIUM has been shown to cause neurogenesis in the frontal lobe - it's fairly alone in that regard - one of the few compounds which cause neurogenesis in multiple regions of the brain.
I'd recommend Lithium Orotate, if you want to try it.
Other than that, there is some implications that DIHEXA could cause neurogenesis in the frontal lobe as well - and if you truly have a form of schizophrenia, then if the more recent theory is correct - that schizophrenia with white-matter loss (which would be the case in your... case) is caused by an overly aggressive form of synaptic pruning, then it stands to reason that a compound which causes enhanced synaptic growth, would COUNTERACT THE DISEASE DIRECTLY AND PERFECTLY(!).
Well... hypothetically.
I would keep an atypical antipsychotic like Brexpiprazole close at hand if I used Dihexa with schizo though - it's uncharted territory. At the very least, you should get your hands on a selective 5ht3-antagonist, as those have recently been proven to be effective antipsychotics, without any of the side-effects of traditional agents.
https://en.wikipedia...vailable_agents
Edited by Stinkorninjor, 19 May 2017 - 05:10 PM.
Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:55 PM
Omg... I actually am incapable of making any clear mental image..... What does that mean?? I have anhedonia as well and get high dizziness from weed following complete psychosis for a couple of hours with my brain hurting so much that I want to die. Do I have dementia?? I don't hear voices or anything..
Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:30 PM
Omg... I actually am incapable of making any clear mental image..... What does that mean?? I have anhedonia as well and get high dizziness from weed following complete psychosis for a couple of hours with my brain hurting so much that I want to die. Do I have dementia?? I don't hear voices or anything..
Sounds more like you have Depersonalisation/Derealization - read up on it, there is a HUGE plethora, a MASSIVE influx of people at the forums at the moment, whom have been stricken with it - in fact, I'm a bit perplexed why none of the Moderators ACT - we desperately NEED a compilation-thread, which merges everyone with similar symptoms into one thread, so everyone can read up on others experiences - I might just have to apply for moderator-rights, just for the sake of creating that thread.
DP/DR is a state which, according to the recently known data, appears to be connected to the opioid networks, as well as the glutamatergic - the Kappa receptors and NMDA-receptors, in particular.
Kappa-antagonists are proposed as the working, effective treatment, and are currently in trials for treating the disease.
BTW... if you feel like that after smoking Cannabis, then I fail to see why you KEEP DOING IT?! Please stop smoking - if you haven't already, of course.
Posted 19 May 2017 - 09:50 PM
Benzo withdrawal is not permanent. It's the same kind of withdrawal as with any addictive drug.
Anhedonia / Emotional numbness / DP/DR will happen when withdrawing from Nicotine, Cocaine, Alcohol, Opiates, Benzos, Phenibut. Etc etc.
Any drug that heavily influences the reward circuitry will do it.
You just need to keep healthy to make recovery faster. Exercise & Meditation. Keep socialising.
Live like you don't have this condition, pretend it isnt there. Don't dwell on it, and it will go away in time.
Don't think your brain damaged or DNA has changed. It hasn't. Your brain is just in shock from the sudden loss of a drug it became dependent on.
DP/DR is a state which, according to the recently known data, appears to be connected to the opioid networks, as well as the glutamatergic - the Kappa receptors and NMDA-receptors, in particular.
DP/DR is a severe anxiety disorder. It's when the mind shuts down your emotions/stimuli to the environment because it cannot handle the anxiety or stress the person is experiencing now.
Here's a person cured of DP/DR and got their emotions back:
http://www.dpselfhel...of-chronic-dpd/
Edited by jaiho, 19 May 2017 - 09:55 PM.
Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:22 PM
Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:25 PM
I have no emotions at all no sensations just flat I can't sleep at all and I never feel tired. It's like body is not connected to my mind I have racing thoughts and no body reactions to anxiety. Since taking a benzo I'm sure I have brain damage with my neurons. I've had an mri and no structural damage but I'm sure there is damage. I live life everyday in fear I will not get better. There was one girl on here 9 years ago that was named chelated that had the exact same symptoms but she is the only person in 3 years that I have found with this problem.
Your symptoms are not unique. It has induced a depression in you, or Anhedonia. It's a very common core symptom of depression.
Many people describe it just like you, a disconnection of the body from the mind & soul.
Since your Anhedonia is likely drug induced, it should go away in time. If it doesn't, head to your psychiatrist to start trying different medications. It will go away if you keep working with a doctor, i promise you.
Posted 19 May 2017 - 10:55 PM
I believe Finn has answered this, though? He showed evidence that LITHIUM has been shown to cause neurogenesis in the frontal lobe - it's fairly alone in that regard - one of the few compounds which cause neurogenesis in multiple regions of the brain.
I'd recommend Lithium Orotate, if you want to try it.
Other than that, there is some implications that DIHEXA could cause neurogenesis in the frontal lobe as well - and if you truly have a form of schizophrenia, then if the more recent theory is correct - that schizophrenia with white-matter loss (which would be the case in your... case) is caused by an overly aggressive form of synaptic pruning, then it stands to reason that a compound which causes enhanced synaptic growth, would COUNTERACT THE DISEASE DIRECTLY AND PERFECTLY(!).
Well... hypothetically.
I would keep an atypical antipsychotic like Brexpiprazole close at hand if I used Dihexa with schizo though - it's uncharted territory. At the very least, you should get your hands on a selective 5ht3-antagonist, as those have recently been proven to be effective antipsychotics, without any of the side-effects of traditional agents.
https://en.wikipedia...vailable_agents
I agree on lithium. I have really good results with it, but only when i started taking it in mid-afternoon. Looks like it fixed my broken circadian clock.
as for those 5ht3-antagonists, thanks for mentioning, i'll look into them.
Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:51 PM
I believe Finn has answered this, though? He showed evidence that LITHIUM has been shown to cause neurogenesis in the frontal lobe - it's fairly alone in that regard - one of the few compounds which cause neurogenesis in multiple regions of the brain.
I'd recommend Lithium Orotate, if you want to try it.
Other than that, there is some implications that DIHEXA could cause neurogenesis in the frontal lobe as well - and if you truly have a form of schizophrenia, then if the more recent theory is correct - that schizophrenia with white-matter loss (which would be the case in your... case) is caused by an overly aggressive form of synaptic pruning, then it stands to reason that a compound which causes enhanced synaptic growth, would COUNTERACT THE DISEASE DIRECTLY AND PERFECTLY(!).
Well... hypothetically.
I would keep an atypical antipsychotic like Brexpiprazole close at hand if I used Dihexa with schizo though - it's uncharted territory. At the very least, you should get your hands on a selective 5ht3-antagonist, as those have recently been proven to be effective antipsychotics, without any of the side-effects of traditional agents.
https://en.wikipedia...vailable_agents
I agree on lithium. I have really good results with it, but only when i started taking it in mid-afternoon. Looks like it fixed my broken circadian clock.
as for those 5ht3-antagonists, thanks for mentioning, i'll look into them.
which brand did u use (lithium) and how did it help u jack black? emotional blunting got better?
Edited by ThreeKings12341, 20 May 2017 - 10:00 PM.
Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:57 PM
"Despite the billions of warnings I have been given, I smoked cannabis and had coincidental and peculiar but persistent cognitive issues. I wasn't sure whether I was smoking too much or too little so I took another hit. After a few joints I was beginning to think that it might have been the cannabis that was causing me all the issues, but to be honest I'm not entirely sure. Maybe CBD and THC extracts can provide relief from these side-effects?"
Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:56 PM
which brand did u use (lithium) and how did it help u jack black? emotional blunting got better?
i don't take it for emotional blunting. i take it to regenerate my brain that gets (easily) damaged after exposure to stress and anxiety. it makes me calmer, more organized, better sleep, and healthier eating (cravings for junk food suddenly disappeared), but only when i take it at 3-4PM. It didn't work like that when i took the same dose in AM or divided AM+PM. I currently take ~28mg elementary Li from 1/2 300mg generic Li2CO3, it's cheaper than Li orotate, that i took before.
Edited by jack black, 20 May 2017 - 11:59 PM.
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