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#1 d0pp3l

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:04 PM


Hi longecity,

 

Since my early teenage years I've suffered from a range of psychological symptoms including restless sleep, mood swings, hightened aggression, obsessive and compulsive toughts and behaviours, addictive personality, worsening self-control, depression, shifting adhedonia, abyssmal motivation, anxiety and increasingly worsening working memory. My sleep is interrupted anywhere from 2 to 5 times a night and I can easily "sleep" 13 hours a night yet wake up feeling like i've slept nothing at all leaving me in a zombie-like daze the rest of the day. My parents weren't the type to concern themselves with it and by the time I came to figure it out on my own the symptoms had manifested into what they are today. My chronic nasal blockage seemed to be the least of my problems but it's likely to be the major cause of all of them as it predates the above symptoms entirely.

 

I've got an appointment with an ENT specialist next week but in the meantime I'd like to share a little about my experience with treating the symptoms throughout the years. At this point I do not know the cause of my apnia, only that my right sinus is blocked almost completely and permanently, the septum has been described by my GP as "bent", there is a presence of a polyp in the right cavity, I'm heavily susceptible to sinus allergies yet neither cavity reacts to anti-histamine sprays or medications. I am 27, 183cm, 89kg and have only been mildly overweight in the past. I'm taking a recording tonight to see if I snore.

 

In my trail & error quest to cure the symptoms I've made numerous lifestyle changes and took plenty of supplements to no real avail (nothing beasts a good night's sleep, huh?) but a few had some positive effects.

 

Noopept (and piracetam?)

I bought this back when I learned about noots so I can be "smarter". It didn't have any perceivable effect on my cognitive functioning at any dose but I recall having longer and more vivid dreams while I was taking it. I only took it first thing in the morning but I no doubt woke up less frequently during the night. I can't say I remember feeling more refreshed, though, but according to some users here, they have claimed piracetam to have also given them more vivid dreams when taken just before sleep PLUS some claimed waking up feeling more refreshed despite the sleep apnea. It could be that piracetam lessens the effects of hypoxia somehow. I'm expecting a delivery of noots soon so I'll keep you posted!

 

 

Ketosis

One of the many things I tried were a number of different diets and to this day I feel best while I'm in ketosis. A simple online search reveals a number of studies showing a relationship between sleep deprevation/apnea and altered glucose metabolism. According to the wikipedia article on the effects of sleep deprevation on the brain it states "PET scans shows global decrease in glucose metabolism in response to sleep deprivation. As subjects become increasingly impaired on working memory tasks, a more specific decrease of glucose occurs in the thalamus, prefrontal cortex and posterior parietal cortex." in reference to this paywall study: Neurocognitive Consequences of Sleep Deprivation. Glucose-rich foods (even high beans and rice) make me lethargic and moody whilst a day or two into a ketogenic diet (after a fast) will stabilize my symptoms, albeit slightly. Perhaps by cutting out faulty glucose metabolism entiely and replacing it with ketone metabolism I am somehow avoiding the worst of it.

 

 

Adaptogens

Sleep apnea is known to be detrimental to the prefrontal cortex by means of cell death and hypoxia-induced hypofrontality. While I have yet to formally verify this it would explain away each and every one of my symptoms. One symptom to note is my propensity to become addicted. I am thus unable to delay gradification as the delaying of a dopamine spike is like torture. I can't focus on a project: I need food breaks, music on loop, porn breaks, twitter breaks or else my legs start to shake.

 

One time I tried the nofap challange and after 3 days I had a relapse in my anxiety, a massive headache and nausia. Not only did I feel stressed but the more stress I felt the more justification I seem to give myself to give in to the urge. (This is true when I'm fasting or avoiding sugar; I get anxiety and with each attack my mind immediately thinks of food as if it's a cure and it subsides when I give in and eat 5 croissants dipped in jam.) When I finally gave it and "relieved myself" my anxiety and headache subsided IMMEDIATELY, like magic! And I go through similar situations whever I decide to temporarily give up a piece of hedonism.

 

Dysfunction of the PFC is known to lower self-control while addictive behavior (ie. dopamine receptor desensitization) is known to decrease bloodflow to the PFC and cause hypofrontality. This in turn leads to lower self-control and lower working memory. The dopamine system is (or was) a necessary survival adaptation that isn't adapted to having all its triggers distilled, refined and cheaply distributed and any attempts to "fix it" floods your system with cortisol as I have learned. Adaptogenic substances can be helpful here as they make the body more resilient to the effects of stress and some (like my favorate Rhodiola Rosea) suppress cortisol production and trigger the release of endorphins. Another herb that I've added to my regiment is Jiaogulan Gynostemma can help repair the dopaminergic system (Thanks to user Bateau for this study).

 

 

Excercise, Good diet, Meditation

This should be everyone's lifesyle choice, apnea or not. I do a HIIT workout first thing in the morning and some resistance 3 times a week. I do mindfulness meditation for 30 minutes a day. Good sleep should be listed here but...yeah.

 

 

I have high hopes that treating long-term sleep apnea will give me very positive results. But the question is, where do I go from there? What options are there to fix hypofrontality?


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 11:36 PM

Cyclic amp decline caused by increased PDE4 activity causes mental decline induced by sleep deprivation, ruflimilast with cyclic amp, or nefiracetam should be helpfull.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 09:56 AM

Cyclic amp decline caused by increased PDE4 activity causes mental decline induced by sleep deprivation, ruflimilast with cyclic amp, or nefiracetam should be helpfull.

 

Thanks for that suggestion, Ill definately look into the Cyclic amp stuff should my current attempts prove unfruitful, unfortunately for now I don't have much disposable income and my latest batch of noots just arrived so I'll be trailing them and see if they give any positive outcomes. To my current regiment of 4g fish oil (~700mg DHA), multi-vit, mag/zing tablet, 1.5g curcumin, and 450mg gypenosides (Jiaogulan) I added 150x2 UMP (mr. happy's uridine stck) and 1g of lion's mane extract. It's way too soon to tell but the past 2 nights I've had increasingly numerous dreams and I'm waking up less. Though I still slept 10 hours last night.

 

I tried microdosing (1-1.5g) Piracetam and it gave me anxiety. I'll slowly ramp it up to 5g per dose and add choline but only after I'm sure of the effect of my current stack.



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Posted 21 July 2017 - 12:50 PM

OP, your problems should be fixed by good ENT surgeon. In the meantime, stop eating dairy, as it contributes to nose/sinus allergy.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 01:22 PM

So true Jack Black. Maybe not a surgeon but at least a good ENT that recognises inflamation. I also have sleep apnea (controlled with a CPAP machine) and since I'm doing nasal rinses with glucocorticoids and salt water, everything is much better.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 02:58 PM

OP, your problems should be fixed by good ENT surgeon. In the meantime, stop eating dairy, as it contributes to nose/sinus allergy.

So true Jack Black. Maybe not a surgeon but at least a good ENT that recognises inflamation. I also have sleep apnea (controlled with a CPAP machine) and since I'm doing nasal rinses with glucocorticoids and salt water, everything is much better.

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It's funny you bring up food allergies. Like I mentioned I follow a very low carb diet (likely ketogenic but I never tested). Fantastic weight loss and the only past intervention that gave me a positive outcome, if small. A few months ago I started developing a form of constipation and irritible bowel in response to falling off the diet. I could never narrow it down to individual ingredients (diary DID make it worse, though) only that the more refined carbs I endulged in the worse it became. I assume gut flora has something to do with that.

 

Anyway, the appointment with the ENT concluded that I have a deviated septum and enlarged nasal tissue and the options I was given were 1) live with it or 2) surgery. Is CPAP not useful for a deviated septum? I'm open to surgery but I've talked to a few relativives who has similar issues and they said the difference after surgery was minimal. I am seeking a second opinion.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:27 AM

I have more or less total insomnia that is neurological in nature (worried I have a prion disease/similar) and what I found has healed part of the damage is Rx CBD oil. But it has to be from cannabis, hemp kind did nothing for me. Also try incorporating some essential oils high in sesquiterpenes into your meditation practice. 



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 04:22 AM

d0pp3l I'm in the same situation as you are. I suffer from chronic nightmares and REM sleep behavior disorder. I may also have untreated sleep apnea. Have you had any improvements? I have had moderate success with Metformin for my symptoms, so I'm also interested in following a ketogenic diet since something is up with my glucose metabolism, it seems. (I don't have diabetes)

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 04:09 PM

 something is up with my glucose metabolism, it seems. (I don't have diabetes)

 

maybe you have prediabetes? what's you fasting glucose and Hgb A1c? are you obese?



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 04:33 PM

I have the same issue as you OP OSA due to a deviated Septum, you will suffer from allergies and inflammation of the nasal cavity due to the deviation as well as a post nasal drip.
You will require a Septoplasty to correct the issue.
 
Piracetam does not decrease Apnoea and reduces hypoxia however I would not use it if you have apnoea because sleep apnoea also increases your glutamate to very high levels.
 
Here are my recommendations for OSA
 
Main Defences
CPAP - OSA still benefits from it, add a humidifier to stop that dry nose and mouth
Nasal Strips - Go for Breathe Right Large
Positional Pillow - Stops you from moving into a face up position (Most apnoea occurs here)
 
Assitants
Exercise - Good for most people, a gold standard for sleep apnoea. Increases lung efficiency, heart efficiency and brain efficiency.
NAC (N-acetyl Cysteine) - Increases Glutathione levels
OMEGA-3 + Green Tea - Decreases Apnoea and improves cognition
Healthy Diet - In OSA the body overproduces free radicals, glutamate and toxins, don't add to it with junk food.
Oxygenated Room - Open your room window before you are due to go to sleep, increases oxygen in the room, add NASA recommended plants in the room to further increase efficiency.
 
 


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 08:18 PM

 

I have the same issue as you OP OSA due to a deviated Septum, you will suffer from allergies and inflammation of the nasal cavity due to the deviation as well as a post nasal drip.
You will require a Septoplasty to correct the issue.
 
Piracetam does not decrease Apnoea and reduces hypoxia however I would not use it if you have apnoea because sleep apnoea also increases your glutamate to very high levels.
 
Here are my recommendations for OSA
 
Main Defences
CPAP - OSA still benefits from it, add a humidifier to stop that dry nose and mouth
Nasal Strips - Go for Breathe Right Large
Positional Pillow - Stops you from moving into a face up position (Most apnoea occurs here)
 
Assitants
Exercise - Good for most people, a gold standard for sleep apnoea. Increases lung efficiency, heart efficiency and brain efficiency.
NAC (N-acetyl Cysteine) - Increases Glutathione levels
OMEGA-3 + Green Tea - Decreases Apnoea and improves cognition
Healthy Diet - In OSA the body overproduces free radicals, glutamate and toxins, don't add to it with junk food.
Oxygenated Room - Open your room window before you are due to go to sleep, increases oxygen in the room, add NASA recommended plants in the room to further increase efficiency.

 

 

very well said. I didn't know about glutamate, need to look it up.  However, I did figure it out I benefit from anti-NMDA medications/supplements.

 

I have some degree of OSA due to sinus issues and obesity.  the biggest help was weight loss, i could not stand CPAP.  the things that make it (much) worse are eating too late, alcohol, and any sleep aids.

 


Edited by jack black, 19 December 2017 - 08:18 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:08 AM

 

 
OMEGA-3 + Green Tea - Decreases Apnoea and improves cognition
 

 

I'm curious because in the last couple of months I seem to have developed sleep apnea.  I think it might be linked to me weaning off beta blockers, which I've also begun doing in the last couple of months.  I've had a few other effects in sleep, such as waking with upset stomach and nightmares and this seems directly linked to weaning off the beta blockers.

 

I'm just wondering whether green tea will make much difference.  I don't have it.  Is there a specific reason for it?  Thanks  :-)



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Posted 01 February 2018 - 09:12 AM

 

 

 
OMEGA-3 + Green Tea - Decreases Apnoea and improves cognition
 

 

I'm curious because in the last couple of months I seem to have developed sleep apnea.  I think it might be linked to me weaning off beta blockers, which I've also begun doing in the last couple of months.  I've had a few other effects in sleep, such as waking with upset stomach and nightmares and this seems directly linked to weaning off the beta blockers.

 

I'm just wondering whether green tea will make much difference.  I don't have it.  Is there a specific reason for it?  Thanks  :-)

 

It may take time for your sleep to return to normal after being on Beta Blockers, a proper sleep apnea diagnosis requires a lab sleep study. Green Tea is relaxing and is anti inflammatory but supplements are not the way to go for anything but the mildest sleep apnea, weight loss and CPAP are the proper treatments, I would allow yourself time for your sleep pattern to readjust from the Beta Blockers, put yourself into a strict routine and reduce blue light an hour before bed.


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Posted 01 February 2018 - 09:35 AM

That's pretty interesting. Especially the part of sleep apnea. My spine is twisted in all ways, my neck is pushed forward. I'm waking up many times, sometimes I hear myself snoring. To all of that, SPECT showed hypofrontality. No one knows why I have this, my neurologist and psychiatrist are clueless. There's no evident illness that can cause that specific set of brain changes seen in me. Maybe besides simple schizophrenia, but trust me - it's not your case. Question is - how I can test if I have sleep apnea in my home? Recording myself at night and watching the movie if there's stop in my breathing? - time wasting...

 

Nevermind, I found a facility that can test this.


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Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:51 PM

That's pretty interesting. Especially the part of sleep apnea. My spine is twisted in all ways, my neck is pushed forward. I'm waking up many times, sometimes I hear myself snoring. To all of that, SPECT showed hypofrontality. No one knows why I have this, my neurologist and psychiatrist are clueless. There's no evident illness that can cause that specific set of brain changes seen in me. Maybe besides simple schizophrenia, but trust me - it's not your case. Question is - how I can test if I have sleep apnea in my home? Recording myself at night and watching the movie if there's stop in my breathing? - time wasting...

 

Nevermind, I found a facility that can test this.

 

Home tests are not very good at detecting apnea, they may work but in the lab you will be given a skullcap, blood oxygen meter, nasal and throat device, leg movement monitor,  you will also be recorded, the sleep doctor will use information from all devices to make an accurate diagnosis, the skullcap can read your brain waves very accurately to determine when you are in sleeping, and what Stage, it can see interruptions in the sleeping process.

 

As for your previous medication, depends on how long you were on it, if you took it for say 3 months then you need a month or more to recover, if say you were on the medication years, withdraw and readjustment can take longer, I had to wait 3 months off Sertraline to go for my sleep study. I don't know about neurology but medication can produce whack results in tests, so make sure you have given yourself enough time and if you want to look into your sleep the lab study is a lot more accurate.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 06:07 AM

If I weigh 260 pounds at 5'10 and suspect I have sleep apnea, but am losing weight pretty rapidly successfully, should I just forgoe having a sleep study until I lose weight and see what happens? Because even if I find out I do have it I think I'd like to get down to 200 or so and then see if I still have it. Does that line of reasoning make sense? That way I could avoid having to use the cpap if weight loss works. I guess the downside is in the meantime I could theoretically use a cpap while I simultaneously lose weight?



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:21 PM

Sleep apnea doesn't go away with weight loss so I've been told but regardless, if gone untreated it could keep you from losing that weight, so... Gotta get treated, the difference with CPAP is night and day in terms of energy levels.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 06:35 PM

If I weigh 260 pounds at 5'10 and suspect I have sleep apnea, but am losing weight pretty rapidly successfully, should I just forgoe having a sleep study until I lose weight and see what happens? Because even if I find out I do have it I think I'd like to get down to 200 or so and then see if I still have it. Does that line of reasoning make sense? That way I could avoid having to use the cpap if weight loss works. I guess the downside is in the meantime I could theoretically use a cpap while I simultaneously lose weight?

The standard recommendation is to lose weight(if overweight) if you have obstructive sleep apnoea, so I would say book your sleep appointment and lose the weight in the meantime, if things improve with the weight loss alone then you can cancel your sleep study.



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 06:41 AM

I have it too. im using nasonex and aselastine intranasal. This hypoventilation, nasal,sinus,septum,apnea problems are always misdiagnosed as adhd, i think it lower dopamine giving you adhd and PFC athrophy or something. (i dont know but you shoud use ritalin for this shit you cant function fully) 

At the same time hypoventilation giving you a lot of adrenaline at sleep and other times this two effect is causing anxiety,ocd,depression,adhd(specially academic shittyness)....

 

Sorry but those suplements not gonna work for pfc. if you have fckt up prefrontal cortex from chronic exposure to sleep apnea and other hypoventilations problems , its too late,  first you should use ritalin for a at least for a couple months. I did it and have crazy pernament gains on cognition and exams. It has pernament effects on this kind of situations and mild adhd.

For anxiety try CBT and suplements, dont mess with ssris.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/23529886

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/22670023

 

there was a cpap study on adhd childs cant fint it.  



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:11 AM

I have it too. im using nasonex and aselastine intranasal. This hypoventilation, nasal,sinus,septum,apnea problems are always misdiagnosed as adhd, i think it lower dopamine giving you adhd and PFC athrophy or something. (i dont know but you shoud use ritalin for this shit you cant function fully) 

At the same time hypoventilation giving you a lot of adrenaline at sleep and other times this two effect is causing anxiety,ocd,depression,adhd(specially academic shittyness)....

 

Sorry but those suplements not gonna work for pfc. if you have fckt up prefrontal cortex from chronic exposure to sleep apnea and other hypoventilations problems , its too late,  first you should use ritalin for a at least for a couple months. I did it and have crazy pernament gains on cognition and exams. It has pernament effects on this kind of situations and mild adhd.

For anxiety try CBT and suplements, dont mess with ssris.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/23529886

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/22670023

 

there was a cpap study on adhd childs cant fint it.  

My sleep doctor does not agree with you there, Antioxidants like green tea do work as supports, but I emphasise in a supporting role(Never as primary treatment). Omega-3 will reduce the amount of apnoeas OP has but OP needs to lose weight, get a sleep study to determine if he has sleep apnoea and a get a CPAP. 

 

In the majority of cases the atrophy from the sleep apnoea will decrease, most people will see a result in a few weeks, the brain will take around 1 year to fully recover its entire structure.

 

Don't diagnose yourself OP you may not even have Sleep Apnoea but definitely lose the weight and book the sleep appointment.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 02:57 PM

My doctor is in another city and he think i have it, last year he scheduled one for me but at that day after all those cables on my head and sexy nurse putting all those cables in my pyjamas, i couldnt sleep in front of those cameras . In my city, labs are very busy and i procrastinated to get raports and reschedule my appointment at other city. im gonna do it sooner or later and get that cpap if necessary or septum surgery. 

 

btw we think my father has it too, but I could not persuade him to get a sleep test. My aunt (sister of my father) has very heavy apnea and using a philips machine.  

 

With high sleeping angle im getting incredible sleep quality sometimes. 30mg pseudoephedrine is working to a degree too. 

my body fat is %15-18 allways im an intermediate advanced lifter with a lot of muscle mass.

 

 



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:18 PM

My doctor is in another city and he think i have it, last year he scheduled one for me but at that day after all those cables on my head and sexy nurse putting all those cables in my pyjamas, i couldnt sleep in front of those cameras . In my city, labs are very busy and i procrastinated to get raports and reschedule my appointment at other city. im gonna do it sooner or later and get that cpap if necessary or septum surgery. 

 

btw we think my father has it too, but I could not persuade him to get a sleep test. My aunt (sister of my father) has very heavy apnea and using a philips machine.  

 

With high sleeping angle im getting incredible sleep quality sometimes. 30mg pseudoephedrine is working to a degree too. 

my body fat is %15-18 allways im an intermediate advanced lifter with a lot of muscle mass.

Lol I had a sexy nurse too, I said to her "I would like you to sleep with me but I'm a little tied up right now." She shook her head playfully and said she heard every single sleep related joke in the book.

 

I didn't get much sleep on my test only 2 hours but it was enough to diagnose mild OSA, I have had my facial structure analysed and they say my facial structure makes me more prone to apnoea, I also have a deviated septum so I will hopefully be going for surgery.

 

So while you wait, lose the weight, exercise is also good for apnoea,  take the green tea about an hour before bed, take an omega-3 a little earlier in the evening(keeps me awake if I take it before bed), try and sleep on your side as that is where you get less apnoea, you can put a tennisball in a t-shirt or on the bed beside you to keep you in a side position, face up is where you get most apnoea.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 09:22 PM

Yess when i sleep on my right side im good. But left side is giving me a heart attack like thing.



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Posted 07 February 2018 - 10:26 PM

Yess when i sleep on my right side im good. But left side is giving me a heart attack like thing.

 

The best positions for sleeping are

 

Left side

Face Down

 

A sudden sharp pain? I used to get that but it was because I was too skinny and my hip was digging into the bed, I got use to it, before that I would sleep on my face which is the easiest position for drawing breath apparently. Make sure you use a pretty flat setup if you are going to sleep on your face otherwise it will hurt your neck.

 

Another thing you can get is a special sleep positional device which forces you into a side position ,I've never used one myself so I don't know if they are any good.

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:04 PM

Recently, my fiance and I got an adjustable bed. I've noticed improved sleep, and less snoring/apnea when in a G position [legs raised and head raised]. Unfortunately, my fiance enjoys the bed completely flat, otherwise it hurts her back. So still trying to figure on that, heh. We should have got the bed that allows for dual-side adjustments.

Regardless, if you are suffering from snoring or sleep apnea, it may be worth trying varios sleep positions, especially with a raised head and inclined positions. You can purchase sleep incline pillows of all angles, and if it helps, you could move to an adjustable bed. I believe many adjustable bed companies offer a period of time where you can test the mattress and adjustable system. And if you don't like it, then return.

STUDY: Impact of Sleeping Angle on the Upper Airway and Pathogenesis of Cheyne Stokes Respiration: https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC2768946/

"...the apnea index did fall significantly as the sleeping angle increased, but only during NREM sleep and in the supine position."

 

STUDY: The influence of head-of-bed elevation in patients with obstructive sleep apnea: https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC5700252/

"effects of a mild degree of head-of-bed elevation (HOBE) (7.5°) on obstructive sleep apnea (OSA)"
"HOBE had the largest impact in reducing hypopneas (47.3%) and supine-dependent respiratory events (44.9%). We believed that HOBE would reduce sleep efficiency because of some postural discomfort or falling sensation, but this did not occur."

 

STUDY: "Cervical computed tomography in patients with obstructive sleep apnea: influence of head elevation on the assessment of upper airway volume" https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26982042
"Elevating the head appears to result in a significant increase in the caliber of the upper airways in OSAS (obstructive sleep apnea syndrome) patients.

Article from Dr. Mercola [Thought it was an interesting article discussing a number of potential advantages to inclined sleep]: https://articles.mer...ed-therapy.aspx


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Posted 19 November 2018 - 10:34 PM

About 6 years ago I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea and put on a CPAP machine. The doctor told me wait in general whether it’s muscle or fat if you’re over 200 pounds you have a very good chance of having SleepApnea. Even though my body if it is low I way The doctor told me wait in general whether it’s muscle or fat if you’re over 200 pounds you have a very good chance of having sleep apnea. Even though my body but is low I way around 230-240lbs and my neck is 17.5”
The first few weeks I couldn’t get used to it but now I can’t fall asleep without it. I love it. I’ve also noticed I don’t get sick nearly as often because I’m breathing oxygen all night even when the kids are sleeping next to us and they have the flu. I used to always have elevated RDW which is now normal.

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 02:51 PM

I can confirm that a special pillow like this https://www.amazon.d...duct/B007ZXYQL4 reduced my snoring close to none. I have no apnea though.

 

I hope it helps.

 

 

Recently, my fiance and I got an adjustable bed. I've noticed improved sleep, and less snoring/apnea when in a G position [legs raised and head raised]. Unfortunately, my fiance enjoys the bed completely flat, otherwise it hurts her back. So still trying to figure on that, heh. We should have got the bed that allows for dual-side adjustments.

Regardless, if you are suffering from snoring or sleep apnea, it may be worth trying varios sleep positions, especially with a raised head and inclined positions. You can purchase sleep incline pillows of all angles, and if it helps, you could move to an adjustable bed. I believe many adjustable bed companies offer a period of time where you can test the mattress and adjustable system. And if you don't like it, then return.

STUDY: Impact of Sleeping Angle on the Upper Airway and Pathogenesis of Cheyne Stokes Respiration: https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC2768946/

"...the apnea index did fall significantly as the sleeping angle increased, but only during NREM sleep and in the supine position."

 

STUDY: The influence of head-of-bed elevation in patients with obstructive sleep apnea: https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC5700252/

"effects of a mild degree of head-of-bed elevation (HOBE) (7.5°) on obstructive sleep apnea (OSA)"
"HOBE had the largest impact in reducing hypopneas (47.3%) and supine-dependent respiratory events (44.9%). We believed that HOBE would reduce sleep efficiency because of some postural discomfort or falling sensation, but this did not occur."

 

STUDY: "Cervical computed tomography in patients with obstructive sleep apnea: influence of head elevation on the assessment of upper airway volume" https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26982042
"Elevating the head appears to result in a significant increase in the caliber of the upper airways in OSAS (obstructive sleep apnea syndrome) patients.

Article from Dr. Mercola [Thought it was an interesting article discussing a number of potential advantages to inclined sleep]: https://articles.mer...ed-therapy.aspx

 


Edited by lnnaie, 22 February 2019 - 02:53 PM.


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#28 Mr Serendipity

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 04:30 PM

Look into thiamine deficiency. There have been studies of infants with thiamine deficiency all developing apnea.

 

Also I'm pretty sure there's a vitamin D connection also.

 

 







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