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[Deaden]

They bring relief on my anhedonia occasionally. I want to know if I should avoid those, would they make me worse long term? Would they decrease the effectiveness of drugs that might bring my emotions back? I know sex and porn makes me feel terrible and I should avoid... but what about stimulants? I still don't know. If anyone has the answer please tell me.

[mateusbrasil]

English is not my native language.

 

In my personal experience nicotine in the form of snuff

the short and long term helps me with anhedonia problems.

 

nicotine has the ability to decrease ICSS thresholds and consequently increase the sensitivity of environmental stimuli that are reinforcing. and this effect does not seem

decrease if we use nicotine chronically - on the contrary we have learned to use nicotine in a way that maximizes these effects.

 

I believe that chronically low-dose caffeine will not worsen anhedonia, but a high dose may make it worse.

since the effects of caffeine changes from stimulant to depressants with increasing dose. I personally feel much better taking a low dose (30-50mg) than a high dose (300mg, 400mg, 600mg) - which gives me an "empty that can not be filled".

 

so with nicotine you do not have to worry, your brain will "ask" for nicotine whenever he thinks his "brain reward system" has low sensitivity.

 

with caffeine if you take it every day, it is always good to choose the low dose.

[jaiho]

Things that boost neurotransmitters can make you feel worse afterwards, since within Anhedonia you have a deficit of neurotransmission, you might feel a caffeine or nicotine crash much harder.

Same with alcohol, stimulants.

If you're anything like me, caffeine or nicotine doesn't do anything at all while in Anhedonia, but i distinctly remember being able to get high off caffeine before i got it.

 

Once the Anhedonia is in remission you'll be able to enjoy substances in moderation. Alcohol should be avoided though until then.

 

Edited by jaiho, 04 September 2017 - 02:59 AM.

[Deaden]

Yeah, the worse is definitely sex...

[ThreeKings12341]

Things that boost neurotransmitters can make you feel worse afterwards, since within Anhedonia you have a deficit of neurotransmission, you might feel a caffeine or nicotine crash much harder.

Same with alcohol, stimulants.

If you're anything like me, caffeine or nicotine doesn't do anything at all while in Anhedonia, but i distinctly remember being able to get high off caffeine before i got it.

 

Once the Anhedonia is in remission you'll be able to enjoy substances in moderation. Alcohol should be avoided though until then.

 

years ago u posted a thread i think on longcity or somehwere else, that nicotine actually helped your anhedonia?

[jaiho]

Yep. i used nicotine spray for a period of time, it helped heaps at the start but then tolerance & dependence, it becomes useless.

 

[mateusbrasil]

Yep. i used nicotine spray for a period of time, it helped heaps at the start but then tolerance & dependence, it becomes useless.

Do you have anecdote(anhedonia due to depression?

or what?

[Deaden]

Things that boost neurotransmitters can make you feel worse afterwards, since within Anhedonia you have a deficit of neurotransmission, you might feel a caffeine or nicotine crash much harder.

Same with alcohol, stimulants.

If you're anything like me, caffeine or nicotine doesn't do anything at all while in Anhedonia, but i distinctly remember being able to get high off caffeine before i got it.

 

Once the Anhedonia is in remission you'll be able to enjoy substances in moderation. Alcohol should be avoided though until then.

So what about amphetamines like adderall? I read they could help for "depression" but would they boost my dopamine then crash if I take low doses or it's also something to avoid for anhedonia?

[jaiho]

 

Things that boost neurotransmitters can make you feel worse afterwards, since within Anhedonia you have a deficit of neurotransmission, you might feel a caffeine or nicotine crash much harder.

Same with alcohol, stimulants.

If you're anything like me, caffeine or nicotine doesn't do anything at all while in Anhedonia, but i distinctly remember being able to get high off caffeine before i got it.

 

Once the Anhedonia is in remission you'll be able to enjoy substances in moderation. Alcohol should be avoided though until then.

So what about amphetamines like adderall? I read they could help for "depression" but would they boost my dopamine then crash if I take low doses or it's also something to avoid for anhedonia?

 

 

Amphetamines are especially dangerous to use for Anhedonia, since they can cause it to worsen in the long term.

I'd only use them for severe treatment resistance, and in combination with an MAOI & highly monitored by a psychiatrist.

 

mateusbrasil, I have a genetic based Anhedonia. Triggered by workplace stress. Started out as moderate depression then the anhedonia came later. Had it for about 5 years now, but ive got the knowledge to keep it under control.

Edited by jaiho, 05 September 2017 - 04:14 AM.

[mateusbrasil]

As coisas que impulsionam os neurotransmissores podem fazer você se sentir pior depois, pois dentro da Anhedônia você tem déficit de neurotransmissão, você pode sentir uma queda de cafeína ou nicotina muito mais difícil.

Mesmo com álcool, estimulantes.

Se você é algo parecido comigo, a cafeína ou a nicotina não fazem nada enquanto estiverem em Anhedônia, mas lembro-me de ser capaz de tirar cafeína antes de obtê-lo.

 

Uma vez que a anedonia está em remissão, você poderá desfrutar de substâncias com moderação. O álcool deve ser evitado até então.

I agree, although this does not happen to me with the use of nicotine(in me), I notice an aggravation of my anhedonia after a 'Sugar Binger', but of course!, my anhedonia is due to schizophrenia (and I also have ADHD).

Edited by mateusbrasil, 05 September 2017 - 01:09 PM.

[jroseland]

I'm a huge fan of caffeine and nicotine. Along with the nutraceutical Quercetin (which makes the caffeine pleasantly INTENSE).

 

At 500 billion cups of coffee consumed a year globally, it's the world's most popular Nootropic and productivity fuel.

Caffeine boosts the Limitless neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Serotonin, Norepinephrine, Acetylcholine, Epinephrine, and Glutamate.

 

Watch: Caffeine as a Nootropic: Pros vs Cons of Supplementing Caffeine