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#1 markosheehan

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:43 PM


hi.

 

i have had a very a  bad incident. i had a tank of nitrous and I hooked it up with a pipe/tubing  to a hood kit. I passed out. Eventually I think a minute/ 2 minute later I woke up as there was a whole in the hood kit. its now 2 weeks later. I still have a headache from it i feel. I feel still lightly dizzy and not normal. i feel my cognition has been really badly affected. my memory has seemed to get a lot worse. complex thinking is a lot harder.  i keep getting lost in my thoughts.

 

i am now wondering if i should go to the doctor. I thought my symptoms would get better but they have not. I am not sure what the doctor will be able to do and if there is any point. once you kill a brain cell its probably not going to come back. If i do go I am going to say it was carbon monoxide poisoning as I do not want him to think i was doing nitrous.  Is there any point in going? what will the doctor be able to do.?

 

I am also wondering If anyone knows anything I can do myself to reverse the hypoxic brain damage. Through supplements or activities? I am very desperate and I am quite depressed now that i have done permanent damage and this is a bad time for me. i would really appreciate if anybody could give me advice/hope 

 

thanks 



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Posted 10 September 2017 - 07:30 PM

You can try BPC-157, don't buy from a fake source



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Posted 10 September 2017 - 08:07 PM

@markosheehan, There is a possibility that your symptoms are a manifestation of Munchausen syndrome or hypochondriasis in that you might have convinced yourself that what may have been a period of prolonged (relatively speaking) oxygen deprivation subsequently resulted in brain damage. The sure way to find out is by seeing a doctor and getting the appropriate tests, which should give indications of any possible damage as well as the extent of possible damage.

 

 


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#4 Sephrioth

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:36 AM

@markosheehan, There is a possibility that your symptoms are a manifestation of Munchausen syndrome or hypochondriasis in that you might have convinced yourself that what may have been a period of prolonged (relatively speaking) oxygen deprivation subsequently resulted in brain damage. The sure way to find out is by seeing a doctor and getting the appropriate tests, which should give indications of any possible damage as well as the extent of possible damage.

 

None of the above makes much sense. You can put a Somatoform/Munchausen diagnosis on almost any symptoms that do not have a clear objective cause. That does not mean there is none. The absence of proof is not proof of absence.  Munchausen should ideally follow a pattern of repeated attention seeking with life threatening conditions. Why would someone post such a question on a forum? Attention seeking on a forum maybe? Hypochondriasis follows a pattern of being afraid of a wide range of life threatening conditions all the time, frequently combined with general anxiety. On what basis do you make this deduction here?

 

There are no good tests to assess brain damage. Yes, there are cognitive tests and f-MRI, SPECT and PET scans, but even those are not always helpful. Cognitive tests should ideally have a baseline before the incident, otherwise, you are just comparing against average results. SPECT and PET scans can be helpful but need correct interpretation. Normal MRI scans are almost useless for diffuse brain damage.


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#5 NG_F

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:21 PM

Sephrioth, totally erroneous. This isn't 10 years ago!

 

Anything concerning will show up as subtle structural changes , as evidenced by volume loss. A high res 3.0Tesla T1 MPRAGE ( thin slice ~ 1.00mm/no gap)  is ideal for this and of course if you had a baseline or previous MRI in the last 10 years, it would be efficacious for elucidation of concerned structural changes. High intensity changes ;hyperintensity on T2 and Hypointensity on T1 are the rule with further patchy areas in the Thalami and Sentrum Semiovale.

 

Furthermore, spect and pet scans are useless for this indication. We're not looking/verifying any mass lesions. they're also too low in resolution and specificity.

 

Diffusion weighted imaging and Diffusion/perfusion mismatch, is very valuable. I highly recommend an MRI spectroscopy to check for high lactate levels as well.


Edited by NG_F, 11 September 2017 - 10:45 PM.

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#6 Advocatus Diaboli

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 12:09 AM

@Sephrioth,

 

You wrote: "None of the above makes much sense."--I fail to understand why you apparently don't admit to the possibility of Munchausen syndrome or of hypochondriasis (my post #3). If it's the case that you categorically deny those possibilities then please supply a logical nexus that will ineluctably lead to an incontrovertible argument that conclusively precludes those conditions.

 

You wrote: "You can put a Somatoform/Munchausen diagnosis on almost any symptoms that do not have a clear objective cause."-- Please provide a reference that substantiates that assertion.

 

In case you are implying that I made a diagnosis--let me state herewith that I made no diagnosis. What occurred was your failure to correctly definitionally parse the word “possibility” in context. The context is one of limited information supplied by the OP, conjecture, and perhaps mis-remembering salient details. I suspect few people would attempt a diagnosis given that context. 

 

I don't have access to the OP's anamnesis. And, I don't have access to the results of any physical examination or diagnostic tests that may have been performed in the interregnum between his initial post and the current time. I merely proffered a possibility, which, in error, you seemingly have misapprehended as a diagnosis.

 

You wrote: "Munchausen should ideally follow a pattern of repeated attention seeking with life threatening conditions."-- That statement, in toto, is incorrect. ICD-10 makes no mention of "a pattern of repeated attention seeking with life threatening conditions" as a criterion for diagnosing Munchausen's syndrome.

 

You wrote: “Why would someone post such a question on a forum? Attention seeking on a forum maybe? “-- I suggest that you direct these questions to the OP.

 

You wrote: “Hypochondriasis follows a pattern of being afraid of a wide range of life threatening conditions all the time, frequently combined with general anxiety. On what basis do you make this deduction here?”-- Let me be clear, again, I’m not making a diagnosis. However, does this:  “I am very desperate and I am quite depressed now that i have done permanent damage and this is a bad time for me.” suggest anything to you?

 

You wrote: “There are no good tests to assess brain damage. Yes, there are cognitive tests and f-MRI, SPECT and PET scans, but even those are not always helpful. Cognitive tests should ideally have a baseline before the incident, otherwise, you are just comparing against average results. SPECT and PET scans can be helpful but need correct interpretation. Normal MRI scans are almost useless for diffuse brain damage.”

 

I suspect that a competent physician will be aware of the advantages as well as the limitations of various tests. I suggested that the OP see a doctor who will, hopefully, prescribe appropriate tests--“To measure is to know” (with appropriate caveats). I further suspect that a competent physician will be aware of “post hoc, ergo propter hoc”, “cum hoc, ergo propter hoc” as well as “The absence of proof is not proof of absence. “.

 

That fact that the OP is willing to prevaricate--“If i do go I am going to say it was carbon monoxide poisoning as I do not want him to think i was doing nitrous.”--rather than give a true accounting of the events, might lead the physician down the wrong path in his/her assessment of the situation. A wrong assessment might ramify, perhaps, to prescribing tests and/or medications inappropriately.


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#7 tunt01

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:58 AM

Don't lie to a physician about what you were doing.  It's moronic and can cause them to provide incorrect medical advice.

 

Get MCT oil in the morning, exercise and only eat meals of lunch/dinner.  Stimulate ketosis.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 09:18 AM

these blokes will have you try anything at their expense.  no carb this high protein that.  like what are you bro, a nutritionist?  gtfo.  because of you these poor gullible fools will face everything, everything but themselves in a mirror.  who they are and where they are headed with their life, the very sort of self-confidence that lends itself to physical vigor and healthy attitude

 

i would go to the doctor and tell him you're considering ginkgo, you may have overdosed on nitrous, the weather is nice, etc etc

 

a lot of these things the doctor can really do nothing for.  time and a healthy lifestyle are the only healing factors



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:08 AM

I am not convinced you have hypoxic brain damage due to two reasons: the brain can go without oxygen for 5-10 minutes with no serious damage (google it), and the fact that you managed to wake up. You mentioned that only ~2 minutes passed, so if that is based on a watch you should not have hypoxic brain damage (you could have a different type of damage). Also, if you had no oxygen for the entire duration of the incident you would not have woken up.

 

Maybe you actually passed out for 30 minutes, but how would oxygen arrive to you only after 30 minutes to wake you up? I can't imagine a possible oxygen bringing event between your head laying on the table and the waking up. It rather seems more likely you got more oxygen because your head was down and thus that would have to follow shortly after the fall. So I really doubt hypoxic damage based on what you told us.

 

Maybe the nitrous exacerbated an existing mental health problem, or served as a trigger to one. Maybe it caused damage in itself. I have no idea.


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#10 tunt01

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 01:56 PM

i had a tank of nitrous and I hooked it up with a pipe/tubing  to a hood kit. I passed out. Eventually I think a minute/ 2 minute later I woke up as there was a whole in the hood kit. its now 2 weeks later. I still have a headache from it i feel. I feel still lightly dizzy and not normal. i feel my cognition has been really badly affected. my memory has seemed to get a lot worse. complex thinking is a lot harder.  i keep getting lost in my thoughts.

 

 

I neglected to mention the exact same thing happened to a friend of mine in college.  He was doing whippits or whatever they are called.  He is the kind of guy, who if given a beer will try to pound the whole thing in an extreme nature to show his manliness.  Well he overdid it on the whippits (first time) and his brain was completely messed up immediately thereafter.  He really felt he had to go to a hospital the next day and was under observation for two days.  Nothing came of it and his brain (fog, etc.) eventually normalized after a week and then completely in the subsequent months.


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#11 Infinite1

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:34 PM

BCAA's and fish oil would be a good start, I would add in grape seed extract as well. Methylene blue if you wish to try something more exotic. All should be helpful for recovery from hypoxia.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...ooks/NBK209312/

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/17614098


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