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#1 Goran Nawzad Fattah

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 10:57 AM


Hi all,

 

Whenever there is some pressure, especially because of my business, I get stressed and unhappy very easily. I get so stressed that I start to hurt my fingers with fidgeting. Whenever I hurt my fingers, it makes me even more stressed and unhappy. I am in a constant loop of this.

 

I have tried mindfulness, but I can't manage to keep my calm and sense of well being throughout the whole day. Whenever I have a day off, I feel at ease and peaceful.

 

I don't drink coffee often. Maybe 1 or 2 cups a week. But when I do, I feel a bit euphoric and the stress and unhappiness is gone even though the external situation is the same. Does this maybe mean that some chemicals in my brain is messed up that gets fixed by drinking coffee?

 

Is there a solution to this problem, maybe a nootropic suited for me? I really need to get out of this loop.

 

Thank you very much!


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#2 sthira

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 12:38 PM

I don't drink coffee often. Maybe 1 or 2 cups a week. But when I do, I feel a bit euphoric and the stress and unhappiness is gone even though the external situation is the same. Does this maybe mean that some chemicals in my brain is messed up that gets fixed by drinking coffee?


Sorry, I can't suggest a nootropic because in my experience none have worked as reliably as coffee for my depression. The best was modafinil, but it lost effectiveness over time. I'm diagnosed with clinical depression, and when I get very down, which is daily, I drink coffee and it helps. Coffee helps me feel better. But I can only drink so much because as soon as I drink too much, then I'm anxious, sometimes bordering on full blown panic. Drinking coffee on an empty stomach relieves the depression more than a full stomach, but also increases the odds that'll I'll swing into panic.

Visualize I seem to exist mostly on a scale between depression on one side, and anxiety on the other end. Coffee, an effective anti depressant, also increases the chance I'll suddenly find myself experiencing excessive and persistent sense of dread, as if I'm about to die.

The only thing I can tell you is coffee is a drug, and it's more effective than any of the dozen or so psychiatric drugs I've been prescribed. There are unstudied chemicals in coffee that are beyond caffeine that would be an effective cure for depression. But coffee also comes with dosage needs and side effects. The trouble with coffee dosages is they're dynamic, one day I drink 300 ml of coffee and I'm not depressed and not anxious. The next day I drink 300 ml of coffee and I'm depressed, but not anxious. The day after I drink 300 ml of coffee and I'm not depressed, but I'm anxious.

So I've decided the effects of coffee also have to do with eating habits (stomach, empty or full?) and sleep habits (did I sleep well or not?) exercise habits, changes in the weather, the barometric atmosphere, the season, the quality of the air I'm breathing.

Sorry so long winded, my initial response was gonna be: Drink More Coffee. But then I thought no, that's a rude, inadequate response, I don't want to be rude to you or anyone else. But try drinking more coffee and document your feeling response. What I'm saying to you is you sound a lot like me, and coffee, which is cheap and ubiquitous, might be a cure for your depression. But the dosages and side effects are in flux.

Does that make any sense?

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 01:58 PM

The fact that you are easily stressed and engage into activity which can be described as both a sign of OCD and self-harm implies that something isn't right - you may have some kind of alteration, of the genetic kind, to your brain - that's what nearly all psychiatric disease is.

 

I recommend that you contact a Psychiatric Doctor or psychologist and get yourself checked out - find out if you have some form of diagnosis - something like OCD, ADHD or Autism.

 

THEN you can start looking into solutions - you have to know what's wrong with you, before you make any decisions at all - find out what ails you, and then we can talk about the issues at hand.

 

 

Some forms of mindfulness and meditation may help in the meanwhile - perhaps you can try Yoga, for instance. Also consider changing work-place duties, see if things get better if you can avoid the things that stress you out.


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:30 PM

Interesting post. Like everyone else, I don't consider coffee a drug, but it's probably the strongest legal OTC psychoactive substance. It could be more than just caffeine. Sometimes I take caffeine pills and they are not as affective as strong coffee. Tea, no matter how strong is also less stimulating.

Since I get tired and depressed easily, the benefits are obvious. Now, I try to take it no more than 3x day or tolerance develops quickly.

Coffee has other health benefits, including longevity and should be discussed here more frequently.
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#5 Goran Nawzad Fattah

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:49 AM

 

I don't drink coffee often. Maybe 1 or 2 cups a week. But when I do, I feel a bit euphoric and the stress and unhappiness is gone even though the external situation is the same. Does this maybe mean that some chemicals in my brain is messed up that gets fixed by drinking coffee?


Sorry, I can't suggest a nootropic because in my experience none have worked as reliably as coffee for my depression. The best was modafinil, but it lost effectiveness over time. I'm diagnosed with clinical depression, and when I get very down, which is daily, I drink coffee and it helps. Coffee helps me feel better. But I can only drink so much because as soon as I drink too much, then I'm anxious, sometimes bordering on full blown panic. Drinking coffee on an empty stomach relieves the depression more than a full stomach, but also increases the odds that'll I'll swing into panic.

Visualize I seem to exist mostly on a scale between depression on one side, and anxiety on the other end. Coffee, an effective anti depressant, also increases the chance I'll suddenly find myself experiencing excessive and persistent sense of dread, as if I'm about to die.

The only thing I can tell you is coffee is a drug, and it's more effective than any of the dozen or so psychiatric drugs I've been prescribed. There are unstudied chemicals in coffee that are beyond caffeine that would be an effective cure for depression. But coffee also comes with dosage needs and side effects. The trouble with coffee dosages is they're dynamic, one day I drink 300 ml of coffee and I'm not depressed and not anxious. The next day I drink 300 ml of coffee and I'm depressed, but not anxious. The day after I drink 300 ml of coffee and I'm not depressed, but I'm anxious.

So I've decided the effects of coffee also have to do with eating habits (stomach, empty or full?) and sleep habits (did I sleep well or not?) exercise habits, changes in the weather, the barometric atmosphere, the season, the quality of the air I'm breathing.

Sorry so long winded, my initial response was gonna be: Drink More Coffee. But then I thought no, that's a rude, inadequate response, I don't want to be rude to you or anyone else. But try drinking more coffee and document your feeling response. What I'm saying to you is you sound a lot like me, and coffee, which is cheap and ubiquitous, might be a cure for your depression. But the dosages and side effects are in flux.

Does that make any sense?

 

 

Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I thought caffeine was the cause of the euphoria,but it might be other substances as you said. I've just bought decaf coffee just for the taste. I would actually rather not be addicted to any substance. 

 

The fact that you are easily stressed and engage into activity which can be described as both a sign of OCD and self-harm implies that something isn't right - you may have some kind of alteration, of the genetic kind, to your brain - that's what nearly all psychiatric disease is.

 

I recommend that you contact a Psychiatric Doctor or psychologist and get yourself checked out - find out if you have some form of diagnosis - something like OCD, ADHD or Autism.

 

THEN you can start looking into solutions - you have to know what's wrong with you, before you make any decisions at all - find out what ails you, and then we can talk about the issues at hand.

 

 

Some forms of mindfulness and meditation may help in the meanwhile - perhaps you can try Yoga, for instance. Also consider changing work-place duties, see if things get better if you can avoid the things that stress you out.

 

Thank you very much, you confirmed what I have thought about myself for a long time: I have some sort of OCD. I've made an appointment with the general practitioner and maybe he will refer me to a psychologist. 

 

Interesting post. Like everyone else, I don't consider coffee a drug, but it's probably the strongest legal OTC psychoactive substance. It could be more than just caffeine. Sometimes I take caffeine pills and they are not as affective as strong coffee. Tea, no matter how strong is also less stimulating.

Since I get tired and depressed easily, the benefits are obvious. Now, I try to take it no more than 3x day or tolerance develops quickly.

Coffee has other health benefits, including longevity and should be discussed here more frequently.

Tea is indeed less stimulating for me too. Thanks for your input.


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#6 Goran Nawzad Fattah

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 04:12 PM

I've had decaffeinated coffee quite a few times now, and it doesn't give me the euphoria and energy of normal coffee. So  I think the mental effects are due to caffeine.



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 11:45 AM

Atomoxetine or an SSRI is what you are looking for.

 

for non-pharma drugs, try L-Theanine.



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 02:17 PM

I don't think there is a proper answer without seeing scientific evidence of levels of chemicals in your body. Also you would need to know what optimal levels are as well as what desired levels are for certain psychological factors like stress and depression. Perhaps in the future access to businesses where you walk in and get all sorts of levels checked for a small fee is feasible and standard practice. Government laws make this harder though as we do not have the correct health care system. 



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Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:31 AM

You need to be careful not to overdo coffee. If you keep drinking like 1 cup / day over many years, some people will develop acid reflux / ulcers. Caffeine in itself is bad for the stomach, but I read that decaf coffee is even worse for some reason, so there are other things in it that cause problems. Being overweight also increases your risk for those issues.






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