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#1 Galaxyshock

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:28 AM


So we all know and enjoy the benefits of common plant adaptogens like Ginseng, Rhodiola and Ashwagandha. Decreased stress, improved cognition and overall health are often experienced from them.

 

However, it seems some synthetic compounds appear to meet the criteria of adaptogen too, like the drug Bromantane:

 

Bromantane,sold under the brand name Ladasten, is an atypical psychostimulant and anxiolytic drug of the adamantane family related to amantadine and memantine which is used in Russia in the treatment of neurasthenia. Although the effects of the bromantane have been determined to be dependent on the dopaminergic and possibly serotonergic neurotransmitter systems, its exact mechanism of action is unknown,[4][5] and it is distinct in its properties relative to typical psychostimulants such as amphetamine. Because of its unique aspects, bromantane has sometimes been described instead as an adaptogen and actoprotector.[6][7]

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Anyone know of others? This would be an interesting target in drug and nootropic development.



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Posted 24 December 2017 - 12:51 AM

Im interested in bromantine, i only respond to dopaminergics to make me feel normal, and im a big fan of memantine, afterall i started the memantine movement, and its like a brother of it.


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Posted 26 December 2017 - 05:58 AM

the company making ladasten stopped production and its very difficult to find sources to buy some now days which sucks i was curious to try :/



#4 Galaxyshock

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 02:54 PM

Yeah bromantane sparked my interest too after Medievil mentioning it. Unfortunate indeed if it's no longer produced, this type of substances seem like a step towards right direction in drug development.



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Posted 27 December 2017 - 01:31 AM

why is it stopped??



#6 Galaxyshock

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 10:12 AM

why is it stopped??

 

Don't know but NootropicSource has Bromantane in stock. Anyone ordered from them?

 

edit: I heard in reddit that the NootropicSource product is highly impure so not worth buying.


Edited by Galaxyshock, 07 January 2018 - 10:31 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 03:11 AM

oh. i thought nootropicsource were credible i have brought from them before. but then again, bromantane is so hard to get now days, it could likely be adulterated version



#8 Galaxyshock

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:39 PM

Another Russian drug that seems to meet the criteria of adaptogen, Bemitil:

 

METAPROT® (aka Metaprote, Bemitil) - is an adaptogenic drug with nootropic, antihypoxic, antioxidant and immunomodulatory activity. Metaprot is effective in restoring and enhancing physical and mental performances. It increases resistance to extreme factors such as stress, hypoxia, hyperthermia and physical activity without increasing oxygen consumption or heat production. Metaprot is used to treat asthenic disorders of various nature (in neurasthenia, somatic disorders). Also used in a combination therapy in cerebral circulation dysfunction and cognitive disorders.

 


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:29 AM

i wonder if those adaptogens can help with alcohol related dysfunction and withdrawal. ive tried most of the herbal ones with no success, but the russian ones might be more up that path?



#10 Galaxyshock

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:46 AM

i wonder if those adaptogens can help with alcohol related dysfunction and withdrawal. ive tried most of the herbal ones with no success, but the russian ones might be more up that path?

 

People in Russia drink quite a lot of vodka, I think Noopept was in fact developed to help people recover from alcohol-related issues. I'd assume these pharmaceutical adaptogens can be helpful too. Also, have you tried red ginseng? There are studies showing it's effective to relieve alcohol hangover and withdrawals.



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:39 PM

https://rd.springer....11905302667.pdf

 

SEARCH FOR NEW DRUGS ACTOPROTECTOR AND ADAPTOGEN PROPERTIES OF ADAMANTANE DERIVATIVES (A REVIEW)

I. S. Morozov,1 I. A. Ivanova,1 and T. A. Lukicheva2 Translated from Khimiko-Farmatsevticheskii Zhurnal, Vol. 35, No. 5, pp. 3 – 6, May, 2001. Original article submitted December 6, 2000. In a broad sense, actoprotectors may be defined as drugs preventing a decrease in the working capacity under conditions unfavorable for living and functioning. In contrast to psychomotor stimulants (phenamine, etc.), actoprotectors must not be exhaustive with respect to energy resourses of the organism. The effect of actoprotectors reduces to increasing the efficiency of consuming the energetic substrates and to stimulating recovery processes [1, 2]. Adaptogens are pharmacological preparations increasing the general resistance of the organism to the action of a broad spectrum of factors. The nonspecific adjusting influence of adaptogens upon the functional state of the organism under complicated conditions is eventually manifested by an increase in the initially reduced working capacity [3, 4]. There are different mechanisms of adaptogen action, including effects upon various stages of metabolism, neurogenic and humoral-hormonal regulation, the structure and function of cell membranes, lipid peroxidation processes, etc. The pharmacological classes of both actoprotectors and adaptogens are represented by a relatively small number of commercial preparations. A typical actoprotector is bemithyl [2]; typical adaptogens include the synthetic drug dibazole [4] and some preparations of natural origin based on plant extracts (ginseng, Rhodiola rosea, Eleutherococcus senticosus, Aralia manjurica) or animal tissue extracts (such as pantocrin and rantarin, representing reindeer and sica deer velvet antler extracts, respectively), and some others [3, 5]. There are continuing attempts aimed at increasing the arsenal of preparations possessing such properties [6]. In this context, it would be expedient to consider some possibilities and summarize the results of the search for new compounds possessing actoprotector and adaptogen activity among the derivatives of adamantane. This group of compounds is known to exhibit a very broad spectrum of activity [7 – 10]. Midantane and other structurally similar aminoadamantane derivatives are capable of preventing dysfunction and loss of neurons in various pathological states of the brain, including those related to the action of extremal factors (cerebral hypoxic damage, circulation disorders, and traumas, neural infections and intoxications) and some neurodegenerative disorders (Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, and Jakob – Creutzfeldt diseases, Huntington’s chorea, disseminated sclerosis). These disorders are characterized by an excess activation of the mediator systems of exciting amino acids (EAAs) [11 – 13] caused by enhanced lipid peroxidation in the neuron membranes and intracell calcium accumulation. The excess activation of EAA receptors gives rise to a still more enhanced calcium penetration inside the cells followed by calcium release from the intracell pools. This initiates cascade mechanisms accelerating the enzymatic reactions leading to the loss of neurons (endogenous toxicity phenomenon). In was established that midantane and memantine, noncompetitive antagonists of the glutamate receptors of the NMDA subtype (named after the corresponding specific ligand, N-methyl-D-aspartic acid), are capable of retarding or stopping this process. When excited, the NMDA receptors open the ionophore channel admitting calcium inside the cell at an amount 2 – 3 times greater as compared to that for an analogous channel of cholinoreceptors [14]. The NMDA receptor possesses specific binding sites for L-glutamic acid and glycine, as well as allosteric modulator sites (spermidine or polyamine) situated on the neuron membrane. In addition, there are regions for the attachment of magnesium and zinc ions (in the aforementioned ionophore channel) and the binding sites of some other ligands (see below) including phencyclidine. It is the phencyclidine site that interacts with midantane and memantine. Study of the memantine activity revealed some fine details in the interaction of aminoadamantane derivatives with intrachannel phencyclidine binding 235 0091-150X/01/3505-0235$25.00 © 2001 Plenum Publishing Corporation Pharmaceutical Chemistry Journal Vol. 35, No. 5, 2001 1 Institute of Pharmacology, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow, Russia. 2 All-Russia Center for Medicine of Catastrophes, Ministry of Public Health of the Russian Federation, Moscow, Russia. psychoanaleptics such as phenamine or sydnocarb) is related to its ability to promote dopamine release from the neuronal pools [44], blocking the reverse synaptosomal capture of catecholamines and probably activating dopamine synthesis [43, 45]. Bromantan stimulates the cellular and humoral chains of the (initially reduced) immunoreactivity and normalizes the (initially increased) delayed hypersensitivity reaction [46, 47]. In humans, the drug increases the physical and psychic working capacity, accelerates its recovery, and slows down the fatigue development under both normal and complicated (hypoxia and hyperthermia) conditions [48, 49]. The mechanism of the drug action may be related, in addition to the aforementioned factors, to the antiradical activity and the ability to optimize the ratio of blood glucocorticoids and insulin [50] and increase the blood testosterone level [51]. Chlodantan (ADK-910), exhibiting a broader activity spectrum than bromantan, is an adaptogen capable of protecting the organism against hypoxia, low- and high-temperature, toxic and chemical, and other extremal factors. The effect of chlodantan, in contrast to the action of well known adaptogens, is manifested already after a single administration. The mechanisms of the adaptogen activity of chlodantan are not studied in detail, but one of the most important contributions is due to increase in the stability of cell membranes with respect to unfavorable factors. This is achieved, in particular, by decreasing the rate of overactivated lipid peroxidation processes [43, 52]. Chlodantan also produces an immunostimulant action, which is more pronounced than the analogous effect of bromantan. Bromantan and chlodantan are structurally close substances. These compounds, as well as the aforementioned potential antiparkinsonian drug A-7, possess some structural features in common with the known noncompetitive NMDA receptor channel site blockers such as ketamine, phencyclidine, MK-801, and SKF 10047 [14]. These binding site blockers are capable of preventing and reducing the neuron degeneracy caused by hyperactivation of the NMDA subtype glutamate receptors under unfavorable conditions.



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:04 AM

 

i wonder if those adaptogens can help with alcohol related dysfunction and withdrawal. ive tried most of the herbal ones with no success, but the russian ones might be more up that path?

 

People in Russia drink quite a lot of vodka, I think Noopept was in fact developed to help people recover from alcohol-related issues. I'd assume these pharmaceutical adaptogens can be helpful too. Also, have you tried red ginseng? There are studies showing it's effective to relieve alcohol hangover and withdrawals.

 

 

sure but ginseng is one the most popular herbs in the world and its available everywhere from candies to various teas and herb pills to pretty much anything. it really makes it very difficult in this way to get the best quality you can get and from what i read, its very pricey considering its actually legit which in a lot of studies, its adulterated so good luck with that :)



#13 Galaxyshock

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 03:45 PM

sure but ginseng is one the most popular herbs in the world and its available everywhere from candies to various teas and herb pills to pretty much anything. it really makes it very difficult in this way to get the best quality you can get and from what i read, its very pricey considering its actually legit which in a lot of studies, its adulterated so good luck with that :)

 

Get some Ginseng Sublime from Dragon Herbs and experience the ginseng magic.

 

Anyways, I'm thinking synthetic derivates of common active compounds of plant adaptogens could be very interesting target in drug development. Like ginsenosides from Ginseng, withanolides from Ashwagandha etc. See what happens when adultering them a bit. This way the drug companies could get their profits from novel compounds and we could enjoy compounds that do good both short term and long term.


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#14 hazy

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 05:56 PM

they already do that if you havent noticed there are dozen of patents of just the active constituents of herbs. for example when it comes to ashwagandha i can think of two right now; ksm66 and sensoril so does ginseng but i dont remember the names anyway the list goes on



#15 Galaxyshock

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Posted 03 June 2018 - 06:12 AM

I said synthetic derivates of them, change it a bit so it may have a bit differing effects and perhaps be more powerful. Like let's say they did with vinpocetine (compared to vincamine) or a bad example: heroin (compared to morphine). You get the idea.


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Posted 03 June 2018 - 05:23 PM

Get some Ginseng Sublime from Dragon Herbs and experience the ginseng magic.

Anyways, I'm thinking synthetic derivates of common active compounds of plant adaptogens could be very interesting target in drug development. Like ginsenosides from Ginseng, withanolides from Ashwagandha etc. See what happens when adultering them a bit. This way the drug companies could get their profits from novel compounds and we could enjoy compounds that do good both short term and long term.


I just looked up ginseng sublime. How do you know the dosage of each form of ginseng?

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Posted 03 June 2018 - 11:12 PM

ichecked this sublime too. it seems to be tincture which sucks. i hate tinctures difficult to calculate dose and also it contains alcohol



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Posted 04 June 2018 - 03:43 AM

As far as I have ever known in 30 years, Dragon Herbs does not disclose percentages of various Ginseng types. I will say that I agree that it is very strong like Galaxyshock says. I still have 1/2 of a bottle. Some of their more expensive tinctures simply can not have enough active constituents to justify 100's of dollars. (When I had the cash I tried more than one.)

 

I have taken all kinds of Ginseng types through the years including fresh roots which I soaked in Everclear for 6 months. Turned out very well, but I do not need to take 1/2 ounce of alcohol here and there. Not for me. I have also made soup with packets of the raw herbs from traditional chinese doctors. What people do not realize is that a single packet might have 4, 5 or more ounces of herbs.  If you want American Ginseng, I recommend Hardings Ginseng Farm , which they list as 19% ginsenosides from roots which are 6 -8 plus years old. I have used both the powder, and once ordered the roots whole dried. Dragon's Cordyceps tincture is also strong. Perhaps similar effect to Oriveda's. Hazy, unfortunately, I do not think you will find anything that meets your criteria. If you do, let me know.


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#19 Galaxyshock

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 08:24 AM

Yeah it's a proprietary formula so can't know for sure what exactly you're getting. I'm not sure if the formula of Ginseng sublime has changed though, it used to contain some wild ginseng. I haven't taken it in few years because of the cost and I have to keep my orders pretty small from iHerb.



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Posted 05 June 2018 - 05:06 PM

As far as I have ever known in 30 years, Dragon Herbs does not disclose percentages of various Ginseng types. I will say that I agree that it is very strong like Galaxyshock says. I still have 1/2 of a bottle. Some of their more expensive tinctures simply can not have enough active constituents to justify 100's of dollars. (When I had the cash I tried more than one.)

 

I have taken all kinds of Ginseng types through the years including fresh roots which I soaked in Everclear for 6 months. Turned out very well, but I do not need to take 1/2 ounce of alcohol here and there. Not for me. I have also made soup with packets of the raw herbs from traditional chinese doctors. What people do not realize is that a single packet might have 4, 5 or more ounces of herbs.  If you want American Ginseng, I recommend Hardings Ginseng Farm , which they list as 19% ginsenosides from roots which are 6 -8 plus years old. I have used both the powder, and once ordered the roots whole dried. Dragon's Cordyceps tincture is also strong. Perhaps similar effect to Oriveda's. Hazy, unfortunately, I do not think you will find anything that meets your criteria. If you do, let me know.

 

but isnt american ginseng just weak in comparison ? i dont remember last time i tried it but if Hardings Ginseng Farm is good source, its interesting to check. i have to ask, so oriveda is good reliable source? i checked them out, their stuff is very expensive, and they require you buy A LOT and wont give samples. not worth the try ill think since it has to ship from europe with a fat delivery fee to begin with. anyway, thanks for info



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Posted 05 June 2018 - 06:08 PM

If you research it, and want it, Hardings is a good choice. Ori is free shipping to U.S. 2 months supply is their unit.You have been through all those discussions, so a waste of your time at this stage.



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Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:52 PM

this forum has slowed down and its kind of dead. i happen to return to discussing older themes over and over lately and i dont mind since there is nothing new to discuss here anymore :)







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