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#1 Dream Big

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:01 AM


This thread is meant to increase productivity and progress in Cryonics, by rewarding those who can present repeatable results that show at least a small improvement towards a simple house-hold challenge's goal.

 

The prize for a noticeable improvement is 200USD. Before you reveal, the money would be deposited to a trustful person. If an improvement made is found later to be a well known technique, then there is no prize.

 

 

 

CHALLENGE 1

Freeze non-pure water solid so that it is more glass-like than normally.

 

CHALLENGE 2

Freeze a fruit, vegetable, plant, or brain-like soup/dough/etc and show that it has healthier insides than normally.

 

Try these ideas, and let us know what you tried and how it went:

Freeze a big, medium, or small:
Ice-cube/other. Or, a horizontal or vertical thick/skinny rectangle/triangle/etc.
With/without a vibrator attached to it, a centrifuge/motor to spin it, or a strong magnetic/electro-magnet attached to one side only to see effect.

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Edited by Dream Big, 30 January 2018 - 03:03 AM.

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#2 Dream Big

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:08 AM

Here I tried some very simple experiments. I froze them for 4 hours. It seems that the thinner ice-cube in height had less frost inside than the big one I froze with it. Also the apple and banana that was covered in tin-foil was easier to cut and healthier but likely simply warmer.

 


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#3 Jiminy Glick

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:19 PM

Here I tried some very simple experiments. I froze them for 4 hours. It seems that the thinner ice-cube in height had less frost inside than the big one I froze with it. Also the apple and banana that was covered in tin-foil was easier to cut and healthier but likely simply warmer.

 

 

Don't act like we didn't see that chopped off hand in your fridge.



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 04:39 AM

I did more tests, and found that a thin piece of aluminum foil standing up on a plate covered in aluminum foil with water on it frozen for hours voids ice crystals around the paper thin foil.

 

A magnet also worked. Even an eraser. The water around them had barely any ice crystals, yet the rest of the water was even super white in a lot of areas full of ice crystals.

 

Why is this?

 

The next step would be to take a piece of meat made of cells, and pierce through it up to a hundred needles to void crystallization.

 

?????????



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:57 PM

There's 5 parts / videos I took. I also did some further testing with thin tall skinny aluminum pieces glued to the plate that I didn't film. Here you can see the effect happen in the videos.

 

I had the first plate in the freezer for 6 hours (the video that shows 12 midnight is the last video featuring the first plate). Note that Part 4 is also this "last video".

 

You can see in Part 4 at 0:27 the discovery. There is no white / ice crystals around the objects!

 

Also see Part 5 at 0:38.

 

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

 
 
 
 

 


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:34 PM

Here is parts 6, 7, and 8. I got the water around the needles to be clear now. Also the ice glaciers in the grey plastic lid formed as individual pieces and so there is clear lines going throughout the ice structure as well.

 

I'm not sure if this is voiding ice crystal formation anywhere however. I searched Google a bit and read that there is bubbles/minerals pushed towards the center as it freezes, hence the surface (which includes the water around objects like the eraser/needles) is clear. But am left wondering if ALL the water turns into these bad "ice crystals" because of the molecular structure re-arranging.

 

 

 

 

I tried some experiments with hotdogs nevertheless. I didn't see any results with the naked eye however.

 

By the way I found this video below and I wonder if lasers could be used to make sure freezing from the outside-in doesn't happen.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BjdHDJeE0

 

I remember reading an article about "instant 3D printing" too. This video is showing layer by layer resin solidification however.


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#7 Dream Big

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:46 PM

Time for a new approach.

 

Humans are mostly made up out of water. One currently big problem with Cryonics is that the water in us clusters together, expands, and crushes/tears/pierces our cells.

 

You can find online videos showing super cooling water where the water is really cold but the H2O molecules haven't yet linked together and expanded, until the water bottle is hit, or cooled further.

 

Clearly we need the water to lose heat. However when it looses enough heat, the molecules link together and the water expands. But what if we add back other forms of energy? Like motion, or de-pressurization? I also believe heavy experimentation with electromagnets has great potential here.

 

I'll see what happens when I put water in my freezer and give it a shake every say 10 minutes. I'll also test attaching a vibrator to the container, possibly a centrifuge.

 

https://en.wikipedia...c_refrigeration


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#8 Dream Big

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 12:31 AM

Ok I successfully completed the testing with the device after 9 hours straight of testing all day, including the next morning. I had it in the freezer for 35 minutes! I risked my life lol!

 
I screwed up on the big test because I didn't pre-chill it enough.
 
But I came up with a quicker test (which saves time+is safer obviously). 
 
The result of the new test isssssssssssssss, failure. However various (and precise) tests would need to be done to truly determine it doesn't help.
 
The new test trashes the electrical corded device LaSonic for a home-made make-do DIY device I nick-named DaSonic hahahaha!
 
The new test is I put a shallow layer of COLD tap-water in 2 cups in the freezer at max temp of 5 for 15 minutes, and both got ice crystals.
 
I filmed the experiments, watch the 4 videos below: (note the final experiment wasn't filmed, however the last video is very-very similar to it with the same results)
 

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:12 PM

I would get an infrared thermometer, a good one isn't more than $30 and you can get a cheap one for $15. Or see to what extent mechanical vibration increases instrument error (if any) with a red liquid thermometer.

 

You could also stick a light and the camera in the freezer and see what's happening. Freezers use fans and alot of heat gets in when you open the door.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:18 PM

Oh, and it's the character of the ice that is formed... does it absorb air or does sonicated air escape it more rapidly? Could this be used with perfusion liquids to remove gasses from circulating fluids and improve CASII safe freezing depth? Could longer vibrations be used to allow more gasses to be removed through the innate permeability of the matter to be frozen?



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:07 AM

I'm afraid I can't continue experiments as I'm extremely busy and interested in the field of AI. But I hope I've inspired others to try experimenting. My best bet would be to try strong electromagnets on tiny amounts of water. Also make sure you try tuning many various variables, one at a time. Also experiment all over the place, and sure enough you may find a method that makes the water reach a lower temperature without yet crystallizing. Where there's a will, there's always a way.



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Posted 03 March 2018 - 01:06 AM

We want vitrification. The only way to check if you failed is to either check if the water enlarged, check if there's crystals like little trees and doodads, or possibly check if its still liquid at a normally freezing temperature.
 
A strong electromagnet surrounding the water might keep the molecules aligned so they don't connect-o together and therefore enlarge. I think magnets make magnetic shreddings align right? And every type of atom is magnetic to some degree.
 
They have levitated a frog / water in a strong electromagnet device. The frog is made of lots of water I think, and the device likes that.
 

Edited by Dream Big, 03 March 2018 - 01:21 AM.


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Posted 20 March 2018 - 01:33 PM

NEW VERY INTERESTING RESULTS!
 
Got into another test today!!!! I tested a mercury thermometer multiple times in a bath tub full of cold water, a sink full of cold water, a bucket full of cold water, a glass full of cold water, a shot glass full of cold water, and under the tap running cold water. I timed it each go. The results? - A larger volume of water took heat away faster. And water running past the thermometer down the drain took heat away faster.
 
Times clocked to reach 44 degrees Fahrenheit using COLD tap water: 
Tap (thumb size, however I splashed up along 2/3rds of the thermometer else it took 14 -17 seconds) - 10 seconds.
Sink - 14 seconds
Bucket (4.25/10ths the volume of the sink) - 17 seconds
Glass (a thin sheet of water if poured into the sink or 1/50th / 1/40th) - 26 seconds
Shot glass (mostly just mercury tip submerged) - 30 seconds (46 degrees Fahrenheit)
Bath tub - N/A (water wasn't as cold as the kitchen sink).
 
This suggests that you might be able to vitrify faster by *Running (as fast as can) a *Large (as large as can) volume of Liquid Nitrogen over your body/head.
 
No video sorry.

Edited by Dream Big, 20 March 2018 - 01:36 PM.






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