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Possibly Switching to Penibut for sleep, and Deschloroetizolam

Thu, 03 Mar 2016 10:12:00 +0000

Hey,
Lately I've been using Baclofen , Etizolam, and Clomethiazole on night 1 for sleep,
Then on night 2 i switch to pregabalin and pagoclone.
I used to use trazodone but went off it since starting a daily mirtazapine (perscribed).

I feel like the baclofen is a really good thing in the sleep combo but I think it might affect my mood negatively the next day. I know the etizolam does but I think the baclofen is contributing.

I'm thinking of switching over to Phenibut, maybe a low dose, to see if it compliments my sleep the same.

I've had bad experiences with phenibut in the past but that's when I was less disciplined with the use of medications. I'm wondering if using Phenibut responsibly can turn out well. I do kind of worry though. I worry that I'll still end up with side effects or maybe my insomnia will worsen. We shall see.

I also had a good experience with Deschloroetizolam. I might switch it up a bit some nights and use Deschloroetizolam instead of etizolam. Deschloroetizolam makes me sleep a great amount and then the next day i have carryover anxiolytic effects. When it comes to most meds and herbs I've tried, deschloroetizolam gave me some of the best antianxiety effects. The problem is that it's not good if you need to get work done. However I haven't experimented with it enough and when i did take it, i took it really late. I'm thinking that if i take it much earlier then i should get the sleep effects i desire, maybe get some carryover anxiolytic effects, and be functional the next day.

Baclofen Helping My Sleep And Mood.

Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:41:21 +0000

I had some baclofen left over from over a year ago when i purchased and used it.

Before I was using some other meds and supplements which were making my mood fucked up and I thought maybe it was from the baclofen.
Actually, I realized recently I enjoy baclofen (and i have been taking about 60 mg a day total, split up into 2 or 3 doses). Not only does it improve my sleep (which is the reason i bought it- i found studies online saying it could improve sleep), but also it seems to boost my mood- makes me less depressed, more social/empathetic and less anxious.

Actually, thinking about it, i like it a lot more than Phenibut. ( I haven't taken phenibut for years though)

I found phenibut had a lot of adverse effects and a withdrawal. I didn't really feel that way after taking baclofen for a few days. It seems to last a while and it's a nice effect.

Unfortunately my baclofen supplier shut down so now I have to get it from China. My China supplier is reliable but there are issues importing meds that I don't like to deal with.

I was surprised how much baclofen improved my sleep. I've been coming off all my meds. I've completely stopped trazodone after tapering, it has been a few days. . I also brought my pregabalin dosage way down.. about 50 mg. It seems to synergize with the baclofen. I'm also no longer on Etizolam.

the baclofen doesn't seem to affect my dreaming or make me get wierd sleep issues like with the long term use of Etizolam.

I wonder if I'm getting excited too early and will end up with some issues from baclofen.

Maybe I'll be one of those lucky people who finds a drug that works for him and I can continue to use it therepeutically to improve my life.

Search for Nelotanserin, might have found supplier

Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:40:00 +0000

Well, I've decided not to give up on the fight for good sleep. I really need to switch off of pregabalin now. I do have eplivanserin, but am not sure of its purity, and it also has the propensity to cause diverticulosis in 1% of individuals, allegedly. So now I am looking to get Nelotanserin. I found some from a new supplier, and I'm eager to see if this new supplier provides quality goods. I'm hoping it will be affordable. The dosage for nelotanserin is about 40 mg as opposed to 10 mg max dose of eplivanserin.

Sleep Drug Blues

Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:20:00 +0000

I'm feeling pretty sad. I'm currently on trazodone and pregabalin because it's the only thing that makes me sleep. However then during the day I feel mostly disengaged from the rest of the world and experience cognitive issues. Motivational, clear-minded feelings are not really happening. I think I will be stuck like this forever... I really have no idea what to do with myself. This needs to stop but it appears there are no options. I've tried many things.

Passion Flower

Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:17:00 +0000

I've been taking passion flower recently, both in the form of extract and straight up brewed teas from the plant.

It's honestly an aphrodisiac. Usually when I hear that a supplement is aphrodisiac I just automatically dont believe that it would do that to me. So I am surprised.

Also seems to have an overall good effect on mood. Feels like ive got more "passion" in me, ahaha. I'm not even kidding. Emotions returning? Passionflower is a worthy anxiolytic/ antidepressant on some level. I believe if people aren't having good results with it then they should increase their dosage. Mood brightener to some degree.

At this point i don't think it's the best option for sleep. What i notice is that I've been drowsing around 8 pm and will sleep a bit until 10 pm. This is really strange for me because napping is practically impossible for me normally.

But the problem is that when I wake up, I stay up till 2 am (not abnormal for me) and when I try to sleep again my sleep quality isn't the greatest and I wake up quite a bit.

Confounding factor is that Im coming down from about a month of etizolam use (currently at 0.5 mg per day), (etizolam never helped my sleep in the way I wanted it to btw, actually probably made it worse. but gave a lot of dreams which is nice). Also I don't have my normal daily trazodone dosage as I've run out of it and haven't visited the doc for over a week to refill.

Methylfolate

Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:06:00 +0000

Hey, so I decided to start a blog because sometimes I'm reading threads and feel like I'm invading if I just drop in and say "yeah, well I had such and such experience with this supplement!" ... because it's often off topic lol.

Anyway.

This October I bought some Methylfolate. It's 1000 mcg.

I bought it because I was hoping to see improved mood, energy levels and perhaps sleep.

Mainly I was looking to improve my depression symptoms.

My ferritin levels are also below reference range, I'm taking iron polysaccharides and wanted the methylfolate to be adjunct to that.

These days in life my depression isn't really super bad. It's more like dysthymia. And I don't really feel "bad" per se. I just feel "not good", uncomfortable, lack of interest/ motivation, always tired, body aches, insomnia, and some anxiety as well.

When I was younger it was much worse, probably along the lines of bipolar depression but I dont know.

So i tried this methylfolate and to be honest it made things much worse.

When I first bought it I took the full 1000 mcg daily for 2 days. Then, I started feeling really emotional and felt like I wanted to cry. This feeling didn't really fade for a few days and I had stopped taking the stuff already. I was also getting really offended by the guys at work and felt persecuted, very sad and angry. isolated, lonely.

Now, my usual mood isn't that I feel like I want to cry. I almost never, ever feel that way these days, even if I'm really sad. WHen I was in high school (9 years ago) I had intense moods and many of them were low, and i cried and laughed on a daily basis , and felt very dysphoric. It seems that the methylfolate actually made this COME BACk. I stopped for a couple months. Then I tried the methylfolate again, once about 250 mcg daily for a few days, then stopped a couple weeks... then tried it again only taking 50 mcg daily.

And guess what??

SAME THING HAPPENED. Felt like my mind was going neurotic. It's this sense like something is seriously physically wrong in your brain and it's going haywire. It feels like there are 2 intense emotions fighting each other, one is good and one is bad. The bad is much much more prominent than the good, but you swing up and down. The up is not very "up" at all, lasts a short time, and when you come down it's like this bitter sharp cutting into your soul, feels like reality is bending, outlook becomes hugely bleak. It's also crippling.

I used to get that in high school. I don't really get that these days, but on the methylfolate I did. The other thing I noticed is that the methylfolate made me ULTRA tired. Hey, at least now I can be thankful that I don't experience that bullshit much these days. It used to be a daily thing. Thanks for showing me how lucky I am, methylfolate.

Notably, over a year ago I also tried 1000 mcg methylcobalmin for a few days, and it did something similar. I'm wondering if it has to do with methylation. I'm not sure. I think I have some laying around so I'll have to do an experiment. Last year I was on an abrupt and ugly benzo withdrawal around that time, I believe. But it seemed different. Reallly amped up and like my brain was racing with all these thoughts I wouldn't normally have.

To be honest I don't really understand methylation and how it affects people's moods. I find a lot of the talk on it to be.. I don't know.. seems unscientific, even though they are trying to make it look scientific. Maybe I'm wrong. This effect that I got was not restricted to methyl-whatevers. Actually, it happens with high doses of certain other b vitamins. For example, nicotinamide, or whatever the advanced form of b3 is called. The exact same thing happened, and that was 2 or 3 ears ago, happened only if I took that b3 supplement. I honestly think that my brain disorder might have been highly linked with the status of B vitamins in my brain. Which is awkward.. cuz when I was younger I don't remember taking any B vitamin supplements and I had a pretty healthy diet. (hmm, now interestingly that I think about it more, I did eat a lot more bread and wheat products. pure speculation)

But notably again, I can take folic acid and also folinic acid and I DO NOT experience the same problem. I can take either at 400 mcg a day and experience no problems. Folinic acid seems superior.

I wonder if taking hydroxycobalmin could give similar results.