Are There Immortals Living Among Us? Syndication Sat, 02 May 2009 18:51:59 -0400 support@imminst.org (ImmInst Forums) IP.Blog 60
My question to the world is why? Why this rage over something that people can choose to research, investigate, study, and discover; or they can choose to totally ignore.

Perhaps there is a deeper message inside the truth, that death is more of a choice and not a predetermined event.?

Here is a response I gave today to one of these naysayers about my comparisons of Li Ching Yuen, the man who the New York Times reported died in 1933 at 256 years of age.

Babaq,

Why are you so angry? Are you afraid it is true?

A lot of people do not believe that Li Ching Yun was real, and yet here we are.

I took the time and the effort to find people like Li Ching Yun who are still alive today. To my utter surprise I found about a lot of people still alive in the 125 to 250 years of age category including a Native American who is about 150 years of age. I also found about 25 people that are still alive that are much older than 250 years of age; including one gentleman who is nearly 2,800 years of age, which in my opinion makes him an “immortal”.

Since it would take a long time to explain what I discovered in my research and what this man told me as to how he survived so many years without disease or fatal accidents; I have decided to put it into a book form. This is the best way I can present this material for most people to understand.

If you could learn my advanced researching techniques, which took me 15 years to master, in one day; then you could verify my data yourself. Since you probably are not willing to learn these techniques, then you will have to read the material that I will be laying out for you in the best manner I know how.

If you are not interested in learning how to extend your life from someone who has extending their own life by 2,800 years, then just move on. No one will force you into living longer than the 75 years the average person is living today.

Be Well.

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Here are excerpts from this interesting article:


Do you believe that immortality in the flesh is a possibility? Did it ever come into your mind that a physical body can be retained so long as the spirit desires its use?



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Physical immortality is indeed both a journey and a destination. It all depends upon your own consciousness that is vitiated on free choice.



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While it is true that you have all the power to create whatever you desire in this life, it all depends upon your own choice that is reflective of your present level of consciousness. Even if you are aware that a possibility exists, you cannot choose it if you don't believe it to be so.



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Example, how can anyone nurture the idea that the body is immortal if by just looking around he sees people getting old, sick, weak and dying?



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If you want to change your experience, change what you are being.



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There is now an earnest desire for unity of spirit and matter. More of you now see the greater possibilities of life. That's why you now demand for a longer and a more perfect physical life. Such desire is slowly shaping a new wave of consciousness among you.


The body will eventually grow to this desired result through a gradual process of change. It will culminate in a series of physical transformation that will further refine the matter so that it can readily adopt its much sentient spiritual essence.



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As you very well know, any healing process comes of a spiritual orientation, the aim of which is to reconstruct the physical body, first in the cleansing of old elements, and second in the receiving of new ones. All processes of physical change commence in the spiritual level - beingness.



In absolute reality, your physical immortality, which is the essential legacy of life that is prevailing in your spirit nature, has always been operating in your system.
All sickness is an effort of the spirit to cast off old and relatively dead matter. With their accompanying pain and discomfort, this intent or spiritual process has been recognized and feared by your race as a signal or approach of death.



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Your body is continually changing its elements in accordance with the condition of the mind. In certain mental conditions, it is adding to itself elements of decay, weakness and physical death; in another mental condition, it is adding to itself elements of strength, life and perpetual life.



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Your thoughts and beliefs manifest themselves in flesh and blood. Belief in inevitable decay and death brings from the spirit to the body the elements of decay and death. Belief in the possibility of everlasting life brings physical immortality.



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Faith means power to believe in the absolute truth. When you have faith in your desire that now seem new and strange; you demand, also, the power and ability to draw to you the capacity to see or feel reasons for truths new to you. If you demand persistently the truth and only the truth you will get it.



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It is very desirable for the spirit to be able to keep a physical body, which shall refine as the spirit refines, because in such equality of refinement between the spirit and its instrument, you increase your chance of experiencing harmony, prosperity, immortality, and wisdom. It's ideal; therefore, that spirit and matter get unified.



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This information matches, in many ways, the information I received from the immortal I wrote about in "Secrets of an Immortal - An Eyewitness Account of 2,800 Years of History".


I have more information on my research on physical immortality at Main blog Ben-Abba.com and my main Podcast channel Achieving-Immortality.com]]> Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:36:04 -0400
I am now beginning to believe, from what I have researched combined with what I recently discovered, that we are all born with the gift of immortality; however we are programmed from birth to die; either like are parents, our siblings, our friends, or in some way which we feel will complete our life.

Something more to ponder.]]> Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:54:12 -0500
Hello, came across your blog and wanted to post some comments, and hopefully, helpful tips. Since we do not know each other, I do not have a way to place into "context" everything you commented on. So if I mention something that seems redundant or obvious please do not take it disrespectfully, I am just trying to be thorough. Also, I want to say upfront that although remarkable claims require remarkable proof, only an open mind can find that proof and I am in no way trying to "deflate" what you are attempting to do.

First, There is no reason that a person could not be born and live an unusually long time. In fact, the basis of evolutionary biology, is that of the "random mutation", which in certain circumstances happens to be beneficial to the organism and causes the organism to have an advantage that extends life. The natural conclusion to this process would be an organism that does not die do to genetic factors. These "immortals", already exist in nature, and are undisputedly documented and accepted by mainstream science. Biological Immortality

Evolution has not stopped, so there is no reason a person could not have such an abnormality. With all of the nonbiological ways to die, accidents, war's, etc, it's possible there could have been countless that never knew they were biologically immortal because they ended up dying in other ways.

On your methods for finding, "candidates", for immortality. I myself am an adept at "data mining", having spent several years as a bail enforcement officer, or "bounty hunter", before my current occupation, and now a days it is amazing what can be found by a motivated individual with some keystroke capability. I would however caution you that there are two problems with data mining. The first is, people, and the second is, people.

First, there are countless errors whenever data is input by people into a system. I recognized this the first time I downloaded my credit report. In the second case the error lies not in the mistake, but in the lie. An example of this that would complicate your endeavor happened in both Russia, and Japan during WW2, as men claimed to be older than they truly were to escape being drafted into combat.

Many cases of men living so long, I've even heard of up to 150+, can be found but are not a miracle of nature so much as "draft dodgers" who listed there ages back in the 1930's as 65 or older but who were actually only middle aged. I personally, in my work, met a man of age 80 who looked younger than I did, age 28, at the time. Now of course he had obtained his fathers identity after his father's death (which he did not report) so he could receive his father's social security and pension, and it was a clear case of identity theft.

Again I say, I am not berating your research because I have not seen it, I am just being thorough. And if I was to start a search for such a person, that is probably how I would begin it. As for your other listed methods, dowsing and physics, well, lets just agree to disagree. Whether or not dowsing or psychics are real or not is not even so much the case as whether or not they produce "actionable intelligence". I have no idea how serious you are about this, but I would give you a piece of friendly advice; if you truly want to get a benefit from this quest, be it just simply curiosity satisfied, or helping the rest of us slowly dying masses get a glimpse of the divine spark, keep the research as grounded as possible. It would be a complete shame, if you would have such an amazing person on your hands, with all the potential benefits, and nothing useful ever came of it because no one took you or him seriously. Amazon.com is full of books about amazing things and people that will never benefit anyone because they get listed under "paranormal", and it becomes impossible for an average person to separate the "wheat from the chaff". That said; Let me reward your patience with my long letter, by attempting to make myself useful.

First, Getting D.N.A and other evidence is relatively easy. Once an individual places trash outside for pick-up, he or she loses all rights to it. Police officers use this all the time to get D.N.A and other evidence without a warrant. The best way is to drive by, survey the trash, then purchase matching trash bags. Fill the matching trash bags with crumbled paper and such, and then switch the bags. It takes like ten seconds. The reason you replace the bags with your new ones, is in case the person looks out the window, you don't want him wondering why his trash is missing lol. Trash is AWSEOME. Think of all the things you throw away, all the little pieces of your life that indicate what you eat, drink, what bills you have etc. Even people who tend to shred there important paperwork before throwing it away, tend not to shred the envelopes it came in. You get medicine bottles, store receipts. You Name it. This would give you a LEGAL and relatively unobtrusive window into the mans life. It could also solve your questions without additional hassle. If the man is throwing out insulin needles, or heart meds, he's probably not the immortal you're looking for. And of coarse, there are usually several forms of DNA in the trash, and should you get a sample I recommend: National Geographic the reason I recommend sending DNA here, is that should this man truly be 2,000+ years old, You will have your proof. My family has contributed to this project, and it costs, but once you do, you can log in and you receive information on your (or in this case his) specific genetic lineage.

How this helps you, first of all you can see if he is of the ancestry he says he is from. Secondly, The site tells you your relationship to everyone else who has participated in the study. It will produce for you very clearly his timeline. If he had children 2,000 years ago, his markers would be present in diverse people today. If he is one of those "sterile immortals" then he SHOULDN'T have any relationships with anyone. You may even get lucky, and he may show as a DIRECT kin to one of those desert mummies they tested lol. Check the site out, you'll see what I mean.

Without knowing more specifics, that's pretty much the best advice I can give you. There is no "forensic" method for determining age, past young adulthood, that is considered accurate enough that it would benefit you here.

As for questions for a 2000+ yr old man, well, I'd have a million. Although right now, I'd be happier helping you to verify his claim...

Here's to your luck, and never forget, "a pond that is too pure holds no fish".

take care!"

My Response:

Thank you Michael for such an incredible your post! This is exactly the reason I am posting on these forums and blogs: to meet people like you and to exchange ideas on how to handle this incredible person.

As a personal interest, I went looking for the oldest man alive to find out how they survived. What I found was something more. After years of researching this man, I found the evidence that I needed to prove to myself that he was the real thing. After I started putting together everything he said, it became clear that I had to tell the world at least some of what he had to say.

I am agreement with just everything you said. The tips on obtaining a DNA sample; especially where to go after I obtain such a sample as extremely informative. For my real job I am involved with computer security for several financials and on occasion I have to hunt down a fraudster. Usually this is done virtually, but on occasion it is done with real, physical evidence.

I am going to use a strategy like what you mentioned to get a DNA sample(s) from him. Not because I need the evidence for myself, but because I am very curious as to what story it will tell us. Others I know will need to see this DNA for themselves and for that reason I will publish whatever the tests results say.

By the way, he has a son and at least one grandchild that I am aware of. I will try to get a sample of them as well; again out of curiosity.

I will be looking forward to any more of your comments.

Blessings!]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:18:58 -0500
Wikipedia defines the term pseudoskepticism (or pseudo-skepticism) as "denotes thinking that appears to be skeptical but is not. The term is most commonly encountered in the form popularized by Marcello Truzzi, through his Journal of Scientific Exploration, where he defined pseudoskeptics as those who take "the negative rather than an agnostic position but still call themselves 'skeptics'"

These pseudoskeptics reveal themselves by not focusing on discussing the facts but by derailing or disheartening the researcher or claimant; often with quick judgments and name-calling without evidence to back up their counterclaims.

From Wikipedia about pseudoskepticism:

"In science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded. The true skeptic takes an agnostic position, one that says the claim is not proved rather than disproved. He asserts that the claimant has not borne the burden of proof and that science must continue to build its cognitive map of reality without incorporating the extraordinary claim as a new "fact." Since the true skeptic does not assert a claim, he has no burden to prove anything. He just goes on using the established theories of "conventional science" as usual. But if a critic asserts that there is evidence for disproof, that he has a negative hypothesis --saying, for instance, that a seeming psi result was actually due to an artifact--he is making a claim and therefore also has to bear a burden of proof."

The tendency is to deny, rather than doubt:

. Double standards in the application of criticism

. The making of judgments without full inquiry

. Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate

. Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments

. Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.

. Presenting insufficient evidence or proof

. Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof

. Making unsubstantiated counter-claims

. Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence

. Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it

Keep in mind, the true skeptic is a welcome asset to real research. The pseudoskeptic contributes nothing to research, but instead attempts to stifle the research in progress. Before examining or discussing the topic, the pseudoskeptic decries absurdity with shouts of "where's the proof" and "show me the evidence"; even if there has been evidence already presented. For these disinformants, there is never enough proof or absolute proof; even though they can never offer any proof to back their counterclaims.

I came to the Immortality Institute because I felt it was a good place to discuss the possiblity of finding like minded people who truly to want to discover the secrets to living a longer, healthier lives. I hope there are someone out there that is truly interested in discussing what research I and others have found on this subject.]]> Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:13:21 -0400
Here is one of many answers to that question:

... This is similar to what I told a friend of mine about walking barefoot over a hot bed of coals. That was until her and I went to a Tony Robbins seminar and where we both walked several feet over a bed of very fresh, hot coals. Now I have to believe it is possible to walk barefoot on hot coals. Not just because I saw people walking barefoot, safely, over a hot bed of coals; but because I DID IT!

Now, no one can ever change my mind that walking barefoot on hot coals is possible. Whenever I hear someone say that it is impossible to do so, I simply invite them to find a Tony Robbins event and try it themselves. If they give me some lame excuse not to even try and investigate this simple truth; then I know the real impossibility is convince them of anything. I am not connected with the Tony Robbins organization in any way; but my fire walk with him surely opened my eyes to an even bigger reality.

... Thus is similar to what many told President John F. Kennedy when he told the world, Americans would safely land a man on the moon and bring him back safely. Can anyone of you remember about how America was laughed at for even conceiving the thought of going to the moon? That was until we all heard those famous words "One small step for man … One giant step for mankind".

... That is similar to what many told the Wright brothers when they were building their first airplane. There were a lot of naysayers back then. If they didn't believe man could fly, I wonder what they all thought about man going to the moon?

... That is similar to what many told Christopher Columbus about crossing the Atlantic and discovering America. Ok, so Columbus was not the first to reach America; but back in his time, many thought he was nuts to sail West. Ever hear of the "flat earth people"? They ruled the world back then.

... That is similar to what many told Christ, including his Apostles, when he said he was going to die and rise again in 3 days. Since it is the eve of when we celebrate Christ's birth, I just had to add this to the list. After all, he was constantly surrounded by as many naysayers as he had followers. Still, he proved many of them wrong; didn't he?

...Need I say anymore?

The truth is I wanted to know the truth and not what others believe is the truth; so I found the means to find a person over 150 years living today. And I found more than one. Well people will always say that it is nuts to believe anyone could live past 150 years; I have to believe. I have met these people and they really exist in my reality. So I invite you all to listen to my experiences and their stories and judge for yourself or do your own research. If you prefer to do neither, then there lies the real impossibility.

If you want to find out more of my research, check out my other blog at www.Do-Immortals-Really-Exist.com.

]]> Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:41:53 -0500 a man who's real age is nearly 2,800 years old.

As crazy as this sounds, I now have to believe that there are people living among us who are 500 years of age, and older. They have blended themselves within our civilization so well, it is nearly impossible to distinguish them from a typical senior citizen.

The gentleman that I have made friends with has spent most of his life in the various countries that surround the Mediterranean Sea. And yes, he was living near Jerusalem around 2,000 years ago.

How I found this amazing man is a long story that would take a book just to describe all of the details. For now, let me just say that I used my unique researching skills to find this even more unique man.

I do not know if it is even possible to prove he is older than 150 years. Certainly this has helped him fit in with the rest of us. However, as I spoke with him, the eyewitness accounts of 2,800 years of history make it difficult to believe he is anything but an immortal.

The stories he has to tell are too incredible to ignore. So I am writing them down and am planning to release them in a book someday soon. In the meantime, I will try to figure out what evidence I can find that would prove this man is a real immortal.

Obviously there is no such thing as a Roman Empire Chariot Driver's License or an Israeli Passport signed by King David to rely on for absolute proof. He has a few trinkets older than 2,000 year. And I know, if the opportunity presents itself, I could try to get a blood or saliva sample to perform a DNA test on. However, I could use some advise as to what other forms of evidence I could use to prove someone really is over 150 years old.
I am also asking everyone for questions that I should ask this incredible man about his past. Even if I cannot prove his true age, I certainly can present his eyewitness observations of the birth of our western civilization. And the stories he has told me so far are all priceless. Soon I will be able to share some of them to all of you.

My goals for posting this topic on this blog are these:

(1) Present the possibility that real, physical immortals exist.

(2) Find others who may have experienced meeting similar people in their lives.

(3) Find some additional questions to ask these immortals the next time I get the chance to meet with them.

I am not stating that I am trying to change anyone's beliefs. I am certainly not presenting any hardcore evidence here; if that is even possible.

What I am doing is stating that I believe I found a 2,800 year old man and I would like some advice from those reading this blog on what types of evidence is possible from such a person; and what would be some good questions to ask him. This is to help me continue my research on this fellow to see what more I can learn from him.

I am a little perplexed at some people getting angry or somewhat hostile at the mere mention of the topic of immortality. Is it because so many people make their living off of other people's death? I was told by a few people many sectors of our society depend on people dying for their livelihood and would feel threatened by the possibility that people could live longer 150 years.

My main blog which I am now updating regularly is at www.ben-abba.com. Feel free to check it out as well as comment on this blog.

Live Long and Prosper!

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