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#61 freddie

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:39 AM

 

Thanks both piet3r and 1kgcoffee... Regarding vitamin A, I prefer the pro-vitamin form (beta-carotene 5.000-10.000iu a day)... I would prefer to incorporate vitamin A through carrots, but I don´t like them at all :-(

"The liver looks at the vitamin K and D levels and adjusts the amount of vitamin A in proportion to your body - - -so eat your carrots - - - beta carotene is far safer than taking vitamin A." (source: http://www.k-vitamin...p?page=My_Story)

I will also try this tooth soap a couple of months (http://www.toothsoap...int-tooth-soap/) in order to help topically to remineralization... if that´s really possible...


I'm not aware of any evidence for toothsoap. Something with NovaMin might actually help. The magnified images in the NuPro brochure are impressive (NuPro is a prophy paste with NovaMin made by Sensodyne). There are also articles on pubmed that talk about NovaMin.

 

It's a good brochure. It lead me to finding another product that is called Dentin Sealant, and I think it could be much stronger and longer lasting than NovaMin, but I don't know the ingredients, if they are safe and could be used regularly and even applied by one self with a brush. Look at this, I assume professional, liquid and how it is said that it completely seals the dentin tubules, which NovaMin also does but not so strongly, for months from just one application, "A virtually impenetrable barrier remains for months after application", it's called ultradent universal dentin sealant. Look at the before and after pictures. If this liquid could be more solid like a toothpaste one could even brush with it. A tip for everyone is to grease your dental floss with NovaMin toothpaste to get it between your teeth.

 

The liquid:

 https://webcache.goo...v&ct=clnk&gl=se

 

And there is a brush for the application of the liquid to the teeth called black mini brush tip.

 

What do you guys think, is this something we could hire a technician for to transform and use it safely and easily at home, because I don't think dentists want everyone to use it and get well protected?


Edited by freddie, 22 May 2017 - 12:48 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:45 AM

 

Med Hypotheses. 2015 Jan 19. pii: S0306-9877(15)00032-8.

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The growing interest in oral/systemic links demand new paradigms to understand disease processes. New opportunities for dental research, particularly in the fields of neuroscience and endocrinology will emerge. The role of the hypothalamus portion of the brain cannot be underestimated. Under the influence of nutrition, it plays a significant role in the systemic model of dental caries. Currently, the traditional theory of dental caries considers only the oral environment and does not recognize any significant role for the brain. The healthy tooth, however, has a centrifugal fluid flow to nourish and cleanse it. This is moderated by the hypothalamus/parotid axis which signals the endocrine portion of the parotid glands. High sugar intake creates an increase in reactive oxygen species and oxidative stress in the hypothalamus. When this signaling mechanism halts or reverses the dentinal fluid flow, it renders the tooth vulnerable to oral bacteria, which can now attach to the tooth's surface. Acid produced by oral bacteria such as Strep Mutans and lactobacillus can now de-mineralize the enamel and irritate the dentin. The acid attack stimulates an inflammatory response which results in dentin breakdown from the body's own matrix metalloproteinases. Vitamin K2 (K2) has been shown to have an antioxidant potential in the brain and may prove to be a potent way to preserve the endocrine controlled centrifugal dentinal fluid flow. Stress, including oxidative stress, magnifies the body's inflammatory response. Sugar can not only increase oral bacterial acid production but it can concurrently reduce the tooth's defenses through endocrine signaling. Saliva production is the exocrine function of the salivary glands. The buffering capacity of saliva is critical to neutralizing the oral environment. This minimizes the de-mineralization of enamel and enhances its re-mineralization. K2, such as that found in fermented cheese, improves salivary buffering through its influence on calcium and inorganic phosphates secreted. Data collected from several selected primitive cultures on the cusp of civilization demonstrated the difference in dental health due to diet. The primitive diet group had few carious lesions compared to the group which consumed a civilized diet high in sugar and refined carbohydrates. The primitives were able to include the fat soluble vitamins, specifically K2, in their diet. More endocrine and neuroscience research is necessary to better understand how nutrition influences the tooth's defenses through the hypothalamus/parotid axis. It will also link dental caries to other inflammation related degenerative diseases such as diabetes.
PMID: 25636605

 

don't take too much k2, it might not be good for your retina.  

http://www.longecity...-to-vitamin-k2/



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 03:47 PM

 

 

Thanks both piet3r and 1kgcoffee... Regarding vitamin A, I prefer the pro-vitamin form (beta-carotene 5.000-10.000iu a day)... I would prefer to incorporate vitamin A through carrots, but I don´t like them at all :-(

"The liver looks at the vitamin K and D levels and adjusts the amount of vitamin A in proportion to your body - - -so eat your carrots - - - beta carotene is far safer than taking vitamin A." (source: http://www.k-vitamin...p?page=My_Story)

I will also try this tooth soap a couple of months (http://www.toothsoap...int-tooth-soap/) in order to help topically to remineralization... if that´s really possible...


I'm not aware of any evidence for toothsoap. Something with NovaMin might actually help. The magnified images in the NuPro brochure are impressive (NuPro is a prophy paste with NovaMin made by Sensodyne). There are also articles on pubmed that talk about NovaMin.

 

It's a good brochure. It lead me to finding another product that is called Dentin Sealant, and I think it could be much stronger and longer lasting than NovaMin, but I don't know the ingredients, if they are safe and could be used regularly and even applied by one self with a brush. Look at this, I assume professional, liquid and how it is said that it completely seals the dentin tubules, which NovaMin also does but not so strongly, for months from just one application, "A virtually impenetrable barrier remains for months after application", it's called ultradent universal dentin sealant. Look at the before and after pictures. If this liquid could be more solid like a toothpaste one could even brush with it. A tip for everyone is to grease your dental floss with NovaMin toothpaste to get it between your teeth.

 

The liquid:

 https://webcache.goo...v&ct=clnk&gl=se

 

And there is a brush for the application of the liquid to the teeth called black mini brush tip.

 

What do you guys think, is this something we could hire a technician for to transform and use it safely and easily at home, because I don't think dentists want everyone to use it and get well protected?

 

and if this chemical Dentin Sealant could be altered in some way to become an Enamel Sealant, and people went to the dentist every 1 january and every 1 june to have this varnish reapplied, they would literally not get any attack on their enamel ever. can't anyone start this business and save the world?


Edited by freddie, 22 May 2017 - 03:48 PM.


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 02:35 PM

I don't know how to edit my previous posts so I add info in a new post.

 

The ideal tooth repair would be to first use an adhesive varnish of maybe calcium or magnesium composite to fill and repair the weak spots, and then on top of it add the dentin and enamel sealant varnish, which impenetrably protects for 6 months against all acids etc, and re-varnish every half year. By doing like this there is no need to make root canal, dig out and kill the teeth. The teeth will this way be alive and well protected for maybe hundreds of years. This could be done already many decades ago, it isn't rocket science, but it isn't super profitable for the dentist industry.

 

On a side note, I brush my teeth with bar soap and toothpaste Sensodyne repair, the bar soap helps remove the plaque and bacteria so that the repairing molecules in the toothpaste can attach to the enamel. I also grease my dental tape with this paste. The soap is high PH, enabling more remineralization and stops the acids and kills, I think, the bacteria in the pockets between the teeth. 


Edited by freddie, 16 August 2017 - 02:47 PM.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:08 PM

I am not a dentist so check my advice for your own safety. I prefer to grease my dental floss with only soap lather, grease it with toothpaste as little as possible. 

 

Concerning dentin regrowth I read that mineral trioxide activates the bone producing odontoblastic cells in the dentin when exposed to the chemical https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/21559841 . Maybe they can make a toothpaste or dental floss greased with this or some other more effective chemical.

 

Dentin maybe repair holes like other body parts do with collagen like tissue, if it stays clean from interference?


Edited by freddie, 24 August 2017 - 01:00 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:55 AM

http://www.dailymail...ooth-decay.html


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:49 PM

OMG you guys really need to get your heads around elemental transmutation of common elements at low temperatures found throughout nature.
Boron is key, thank you very much, and everything mentioned in this thread(except Strontium, I can't see any place for that!).
I'm growing my teeth back, first they stop wobbling, and if my diet stays good(we all prefer different amounts in our diets) then progress is made and maintained. Parasites hamper growth. Thx.
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 07:18 PM

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 08:35 PM

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.

My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

 

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.

Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

 



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Posted 29 January 2018 - 08:50 PM

I always found the opposite. Aspirin actually caused decay but I used to chew my asprins
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 04:28 PM

I stopped using Nivea soft cream as toothpaste alternative (will only use it to stop a swollen inflamed gum) because it has too many chemicals and made me feel weird. Now I only use hot tap water on my medium hard Aquafresh Clean Control brush which is not abrasive at all according to research compared to toothpaste and it does the trick for me and always brush immediately after meal, don't let anything sit on the teeth. And use slim dental floss, the thick ones hurt my gums. Still waiting for safe enamel sealant which will protect the living teeth.



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 02:14 PM

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.

If supplementing with vitamin D + K especially, you can use something like Uncle Harry's natural toothpaste (look at the ingredients) or celtic sea salt + baking soda + coconut oil (ie, go fluoride and glycerine free). You can also look into the iodine protocol.

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.
My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.
Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

How much vitamin K are you taking? This is a great time to look into megadose vitamin D (30,000-50,000 IU for 6 months; 10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ MK-4): https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/1491243821.

Edited by baccheion, 07 March 2018 - 02:19 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:00 PM

 

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.

If supplementing with vitamin D + K especially, you can use something like Uncle Harry's natural toothpaste (look at the ingredients) or celtic sea salt + baking soda + coconut oil (ie, go fluoride and glycerine free). You can also look into the iodine protocol.

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.
My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.
Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

How much vitamin K are you taking? This is a great time to look into megadose vitamin D (30,000-50,000 IU for 6 months; 10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ MK-4): https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/1491243821.

 

 

I actually don't brush with any toothpaste now, as I said before they make tartar, contain abrasives and contribute to gum infections on me. Now I brush with only hot tap water poured on my brush every 15 seconds in order to more effectively dissolve dirt on teeth and give warm massage to the gums, my gums haven't been so pink and healthy in years. You mention an alternative toothpaste with sea salt and baking soda, which both are salts and I think are also abrasive and tartar-creating.

 

I tested vitamin D, but it made a lot of tartar on my teeth and pains in my arteries because I think it actually absorbs too much calcium into soft tissues, which is not good from a longevity standpoint, it can cause atherosclerosis etc. because the vitamin has a biphasic dose effect, it means low dose gives benefits but high dose gives atherosclerosis etc, https://academic.oup.../5/1704/1844110

 

Vitamin K I also tested low dose, 300mcg.  It is said to be anti-atherosclerotic. (I took same day 1-2 grams pine pollen powder so maybe it was the culprit) and suddenly I started bleeding very easily and my skin wound on my thumb bled all day. I think maybe it is because it removes calcium which is necessary for blod clotting (I have not retested taking vitamin K yet). People who have high vitamin K intake from food live longer though, http://www.lifeexten...tamin-k/page-01


Edited by freddie, 07 March 2018 - 05:28 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:06 PM

Check out an apatite toothpaste, e.g. M+ from Japan. I've used M+ for ten years, you can get it on Amazon. 

https://www.amazon.c...g/dp/B0016GCZQO



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 07:22 PM

Vitamin K I also tested low dose, 300mcg.  It is said to be anti-atherosclerotic. (I took same day 1-2 grams pine pollen powder so maybe it was the culprit) and suddenly I started bleeding very easily and my skin wound on my thumb bled all day. I think maybe it is because it removes calcium which is necessary for blod clotting (I have not retested taking vitamin K yet). People who have high vitamin K intake from food live longer though, http://www.lifeexten...tamin-k/page-01

Vitamin K definitely increases propensity for bleeding. I get nose bloods and sudden bleeding from my wounds sometimes. The more vitamin K (super K from Life Extension) I take the more likely it is that I will randomly bleed. It also seems to increase blood volume or hemoglobin since my skin turns reddish (exact same effect I get from iron supplementation) and my body heat increases.

 



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:06 AM

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.

If supplementing with vitamin D + K especially, you can use something like Uncle Harry's natural toothpaste (look at the ingredients) or celtic sea salt + baking soda + coconut oil (ie, go fluoride and glycerine free). You can also look into the iodine protocol.

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.
My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.
Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

How much vitamin K are you taking? This is a great time to look into megadose vitamin D (30,000-50,000 IU for 6 months; 10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ MK-4): https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/1491243821.
I actually don't brush with any toothpaste now, as I said before they make tartar, contain abrasives and contribute to gum infections on me. Now I brush with only hot tap water poured on my brush every 15 seconds in order to more effectively dissolve dirt on teeth and give warm massage to the gums, my gums haven't been so pink and healthy in years. You mention an alternative toothpaste with sea salt and baking soda, which both are salts and I think are also abrasive and tartar-creating.

I tested vitamin D, but it made a lot of tartar on my teeth and pains in my arteries because I think it actually absorbs too much calcium into soft tissues, which is not good from a longevity standpoint, it can cause atherosclerosis etc. because the vitamin has a biphasic dose effect, it means low dose gives benefits but high dose gives atherosclerosis etc, https://academic.oup.../5/1704/1844110

Vitamin K I also tested low dose, 300mcg. It is said to be anti-atherosclerotic. (I took same day 1-2 grams pine pollen powder so maybe it was the culprit) and suddenly I started bleeding very easily and my skin wound on my thumb bled all day. I think maybe it is because it removes calcium which is necessary for blod clotting (I have not retested taking vitamin K yet). People who have high vitamin K intake from food live longer though, http://www.lifeexten...tamin-k/page-01
Vitamin D can increase calcium if not taken with vitamin K (ratio in my previous post). Vitamin K (1.5mg+ MK-4) is fabled, as it tends to leave the mouth clean (removes and prevents buildup). Try a D + K supplement (like Life Extension D + K) and the toothpaste I mentioned. It has paste in the name, but it does not contain typical ingredients.

Edited by baccheion, 08 March 2018 - 02:08 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 12:58 PM

Also, take enough magnesium with it https://www.scienced...80226122548.htm


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 10:56 AM

I use extra soft tepe toothbrush on the sides of my teeth to be gentle on the gums (which can recede if the brush is too hard) and on the chewing surfaces i use a harder brush and reapply water on it after every 3-4 strokes to brush off stuck food. I use for my tight sitting teeth a flat and thin tooth floss. I have all my teeth and i only go to dentist to clean off calculus on the lower front teeth, i don't let them scratch on my molars because dentists are enemies of molars.



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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:30 AM

Update from my last comment: last time I took Super K (vitamin K1, k2) for 3 months, the full duration of the bottle and it appeared to maybe have worked a little. This time I take my vitamin K with a mineral supplement containing all minerals, over 70 of them, and I take them in quite high amounts and it's been almost a month. I also take 800mg calcium. Yet my cavity does not appear to be closing given the time it's taken. What does happen is that pain subsides. The vitamin K is what specifically removes cavity pain.

 

This is not my teeth but my cavity is similar. It's D I am referring to. My cavity is on the side, next to another tooth, thus widening the gap between these two teeth.

dental-problems-s3-tooth-decay.jpg


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:09 PM

how could it become like that, do you every day eat and drink acid stuff (wine, beer, oranges, sauerkraut, sodas) or let wheat products like cookies sit stuck on the teeth for 10-20 minutes, and never rinse your mouth after meal? That diet prevents healing of the outer layer. The tooth can benefit, i assume, from application 2-3 times per day of sensodyne repair (if it's on the side between teeth then grease a dental floss with the tooth paste), it can then hopefully build and outer layer of remineralized teeth which can look discolored but its only an aesthetic issue. I read that magnesium makes teeth twice as hard and people who ingest the most magnesium don't get cavities and keep their teeth. I noticed from taking magnesium-hydroxide, 150mg per day, that my teeth became very mineralised, looked like semi-transparent rock, so i stopped taking it because i read somewhere it can leak out calcium.

 

Don't use a hard abrasive dental floss.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 01:24 PM

how could it become like that

Dentists. It started as a small cavity but dentists drilled to make their fillings fit or whatever their reasoning is. The filling fell out years later and now I am stuck with this hole.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 05:39 PM

https://www.ncbi.nlm...ubmed/10818152/

https://www.kmart.co...-SPM11620329425

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 06:07 AM

Im curious as this is an old post what where some results for people?? I ahve just gotten invisalign as an adult at 32 and i dont have great enamel but my teeth feel sore and arent handling the transtiion well. For the last uear ive been using apagard premio toothpaste, was going to add a xylitol mouthwash with high xylitol potency and i have the ostelin calcium dk2 supplement which im wanting to take but i remember somewhere reading different people saying things about mk4 and mk2 and without correctly recalling i avoided taking this supplement as i wasnt sure if the results would be beneficial or worse from their reviews of certain supps. Any ideas on here peeps?? i am also going to get GC tooth mouse ?

Should i give the supplement a go or avoid for now

Sorry ti hijack the post



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Posted 29 January 2020 - 09:29 AM

Dentists. It started as a small cavity but dentists drilled to make their fillings fit or whatever their reasoning is. The filling fell out years later and now I am stuck with this hole.

This is what E.A.M Kid writes about in his research paper. He writes: "This review makes uncomfortable reading for those of us teaching operative dentistry. There is no clear evidence that it is deleterious to leave infected dentine, even if it is soft and wet, prior to sealing the cavity. Indeed, this cautious approach may be preferable to vigorous excavation because fewer pulps will be exposed and sealing the dentine from the oral environment encourages arrest of lesion progression. The reparative processes of tubular sclerosis and tertiary dentine are encouraged, thus reducing the permeability of the remaining dentine. The residual micro-organisms are now in a very different environment. They are entombed by the seal of the restoration on one side and the reduced permeability of the remaining dentine on the other. The apparent irrelevance of the infected dentine is biologically logical if it is accepted that the caries process is driven by the biofilm and its reflection is the lesion in the dental hard tissues."

 
"In view of the numerous studies that show the pulp can be compromised by leakage of bacteria around restorations [Bergenholtz et al., 1982], it is remarkable that their presence does not result in pulpitis and pulp death. It is probably highly relevant that the studies relating bacterial leakage around restorations to pulp pathology are done on caries-free teeth. Thus, cavity preparation will open up millions of tubules, each one a pathway to the pulp. There is a dearth of research that relates the activity of a carious lesion to the histological changes in the underlying pulp."
 
What he says is that it's enough with dental sealing and that's it, no caries no problems ever more. I asked my dentist for sealing, cheap stuff, and they refused so that's a sign they are in it for the money.
 
In a paper titled Infected Dentine Revisited by Kidd E, Fejerskov O, Nyvad B. they say "When restoring deep lesions in symptomless, vital teeth, vigorous excavation of infected dentine is likely to expose the pulp and make root canal treatment necessary. Thus ‘complete excavation’ is not needed and should be avoided. CPD/Clinical Relevance: Root surface caries can be arrested by cleaning and fluoride application. Restorations are not essential. Vigorous excavation of softened dentine in deep cavities of symptomless, vital teeth is contra-indicated. It is not needed and increases the risk of pulp exposure." This confirms more or less what EAM Kidd wrote.
 
I already know now how to take care of my teeth, I stopped going to dentists, they only damage my teeth to make money. They use the drill when removing plaque to make puncture/abrade the enamel on the molars so that it becomes weaker and weaker with every visit so that it finally caves in under the drill and so that they can offer expensive "treatment". I still have all my teeth including the one's with damaged molar dentin since many years, because the outer layer remineralized  by following my golden rules and they also feel very good (there is also tertiary dentin which grows about, IIRC 0.2-0.3 mm per year, so the teeth will heal up from inside and outside if one is following my golden rules). But the dentists always try to scare the person that it's not possible to save the teeth and it should be treated expensively. Let's see if all my teeth will still be ok in 5-10 years from now, I will report back if I remember this thread.
 
My golden rules for keeping my teeth healthy is brush teeth after every meal if you feel something sticky on the teeth (or you know it's gonna become sticky if you let it stay there, it feels like starch on the teeth), if you think you have sugary stuff stuck between teeth like bread, snickers etc use dental floss to remove it, always rinse your mouth with water after you ate something and especially if you drank something significantly acidic rinse your mouth within 10 seconds with water. That's it. My favorite toothbrush is TePe Gentle Care, which is effective at removing dirt. Electric rotating toothbrush hurt my teeth so that's a sign to not use it. I use no toothpaste (the fluoride makes my joints stiff and fluoride varnish at a dentist is outright dangerous for people with sensitive joints, they use up to 15 000 ppm/g of fluoride; I tested a 5 000 ppm fluoride toothpaste and I didn't swallow, I spat it out every time, yet I got very stiff joints and on the fourth/fifth day I got a very painful stiff neck for days, and all my joints hurt too, that's when I realized it's poison).
 
I also realized I can remove calculus (by scratching on it) on the lower front teeth with a toothpick made of wood (I guess it's nicer/safer, after checking moh's scale, for the enamel than a dental scaler). I am now thinking about how to remove plaque on the inside of the lower front teeth with wood (it's not easy with the shape of a toothpick), or if it's even necessary, for how long is it safe to have calculus on the inside of the lower front teeth?
 
I read that some (maybe all) tooth floss has  teflon surface, so I wonder if teflon can damage enamel (is it harder than enamel?), wonder because there was a black spot on the x-ray between my teeth where I use dental floss everyday which I told them about (but who knows if they photo shopped the x-ray picture to make me think my regimen doesn't work and I should listen to them instead)?

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Posted 03 October 2021 - 06:24 AM

I just want to add what I realized on my own. Many mouthwashes contain ethanol but it is acidic (PH) which is bad for teeth or chlorhexidine which is ototoxic (causes deafness by destroying/damaging hearing-hair follicles etc (and this is my wild guess, it calcifies arteries etc which can cause stroke and deafness in elders). So what can we do after we've eaten our meals and food sit stuck on the teeth and is about to get consumed by bacteria in the mouth which will turn it into acid which attacks the enamel? I realized mixing water with 20-25% propanol (PH neutral) will make the food particles in the mouth slide off  and also rinse the mouth from bacteria (I also gargle the back of my throat with this mixed liquid because bacteria usually sit there too and it reduces bad breath) and spit it out in to a bottle with a screw cap (I empty it later). One can also brush one's teeth with this mixture although I recommend 50% propanol instead for this. Also propanol mixture with water reduces significantly inflammation in the gums.

 

I still have all my teeth in great shape (i'm just scared to go to dentist for calculus scaling because of bad experience where the dentist deliberately tried to puncture my molar enamel, they look on x-ray for weakest spots and press hard on those spots with their instrument, and succeeded twice but the teeth heal(ed), tertiary dentin grows 1-2 mm per year). The only thing I still haven't figured out is how to dissolve calculus on my own but I think I will solve that problem too later on (I remember in my youth when i was exercising a lot how calculus was chipping/crumbling itself off from my teeth, probably because my blood's profile of minerals, hormones or whatever was modified by hard training; or i had a different diet) but I know that there is something that makes the calculus detach from the teeth in a way which is completely safe for the enamel (i just need to connect the dots). 


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Posted 05 January 2022 - 12:54 AM

I don't use regularly propanol anymore because it can irritate the gums, i use it mostly when i want to lower the surface tension to clean thick mucus at the back of my throat and tongue, so i put a drop of propanol on my toothbrush and brush a little the back of my tongue and palate, after that i swish my mouth with water and swallow to clean also my throat. Now i brush my teeth with egg white (raw) and it feels nice and protective for my gums (no irritation) and teeth.

 

I don't scratch calculus anymore (stopped a long time ago) with a wooden toothpick to remove the calculus because the beige pigment in the toothpick can stain the teeth (or maybe worse remove enamel but that's a wild guess because enamel is supposedly harder on a Mohs-scale), maybe a bleached or white toothpick might work.

 

Tertiary dentin grows because there are stem cells in the pulp which repair the teeth.


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Posted 01 May 2023 - 02:53 PM

If food gets very stuck on teeth: I use a glass of warm water with a drop of hand-dish-washer detergent (low allergenic variant) to swish my mouth 5 times.

 

I put hand-dish-washer detergent-foam on my toothbrush.

 

Acidic fruit like oranges I can put it in a glass of water before I eat it, the water makes it less acidic. Afterwards rinse mouth with water.

 

I scratch off tartar with a wooden toothpick on the front of my teeth but the backside is too difficult to reach properly.

 

All my teeth are still good.


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Posted 01 May 2023 - 02:59 PM

I always found the opposite. Aspirin actually caused decay but I used to chew my asprins

Aspirin is acetylsalicylic acid so obviously it has an acidic ph of 3.5 which is not good for teeth. On a side note aspirin is/was made from the toxin of Amanita virosa. It's a nerve toxin.


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Posted 02 May 2023 - 02:42 AM

If food gets very stuck on teeth: I use a glass of warm water with a drop of hand-dish-washer detergent (low allergenic variant) to swish my mouth 5 times.

I take it back about adding a drop of detergent because the detergent made my mouth and throat feel dry and taste weird. I have to find something better. Until then just warm water is ok.

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