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#1 Auzer

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 10:45 AM


I'm a 19 year old male.I have strongly suspected that I have ADD for years because of my inability to focus, slow thinking and lack of motivation. I do not experience any hyperactivity.

My life looks fairly calm as I do not attend classes nor have a job. I have struggled in school ever since I was a child with anxiety which has increased with age to the point where I got a medical certificate a year ago. I always used to get enough sleep during school days and even now when I go to bed 11-12 PM and wake up 8 hours later.

However, in most cases all my symptoms of ADD goes away after around 6-8 PM and it has always been this way. At that time, I feel a burst of motivation and I become in a good mood, I feel self confident, my anxiety goes away, and best of all I can think better, faster and I have complete focus. My ADD has a big impact on processing information, such as understanding what I read and interpret vocally; it leaves my mind so quickly that I forgot what I read before the next sentence and this makes it hard for me to keep up in conversations and learn new things.

Strangely, all my symptoms goes away at the evening and in some rare cases from the time I wake up and can last for 3-12 hours. I really have no speculations of what this could be or how to recreate the effect at a different time. I appreciate all speculations and feedback.



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:58 PM

i can offer you only speculation here: disregulated circadian rhythm?

if so, look into bright light in AM and consider lithium supplements in PM that help with circadian rhythm regulation.


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#3 Auzer

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 07:28 PM

i can offer you only speculation here: disregulated circadian rhythm?

if so, look into bright light in AM and consider lithium supplements in PM that help with circadian rhythm regulation.

It might actually be that. I've always felt more stimulated, energetic and social after 8 PM. I've never been a morning person, I always feel unsocial and confused during the day. I've read about Lithium and how to deal with side effects on this article: http://www.balancing...eter-smith/109/ which explains how to make a dose of Lithium smaller, more effective and less toxic.


Edited by Auzer, 22 June 2018 - 07:30 PM.


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 12:01 PM

Huh. My brain fog is always getting worse in the evening. Any clue? Cortisol? I have elevated DHEA-S level, oversweating under my armpits, acne and oily skin and IBS.



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Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:23 AM

I've started experimenting and I actually prefer getting less sleep as it recreates the desired effects I've described. I have looked into chronotherapy and have planned to attempt some its methods to adjust my circadian rhythm along with lithium orotate for efficiency. I'll make sure to post an update with results.



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Posted 27 June 2018 - 12:39 AM

I’m the same way. I usually go to bed around 11 or 12 and I’m up at seven. During the day I have zero motivation and compulsive disorders to use recreational drugs but around nine to eleven i’m relaxed with no urges or anxiety etc..

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 03:11 AM

I’m the same way. I usually go to bed around 11 or 12 and I’m up at seven. During the day I have zero motivation and compulsive disorders to use recreational drugs but around nine to eleven i’m relaxed with no urges or anxiety etc..


I’m glad I stumbled across this post. All day long I have had no motivation to finish the important tasks I have and went on a binge of recreational drugs trying to get the motivation. I had brain fog all day. Just tends to happen a lot during the day. Right now it’s 8 o’clock I haven’t had any recreational drugs in at least an hour and now is when I have my motivation to work I’m not tired no brain fog, etc. I’m thinking this has to be linked to circadian rhythm. Tomorrow I have an appointment with my psychiatrist to discuss possibly adding Abilify for my borderline personality disorder and I’m going to mention this to him to see what he thinks about replacing my Lexapro with agomelatine since it will improve circadian rhythm.

#8 Auzer

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Posted 27 July 2018 - 01:06 PM

I started supplementing with Lithium orotate 5 mg for about 7 days ago, and have gradually increased my dose to 20 mg. Because Lithium prolongs the cellular activity, I think the best time to take it is when the effect kicks in; in my hope to delay the occurrence of the effect to the point where I wake up. I usually would get the effect around 6-8 PM as mentioned, but now it get it at 12 PM. Because I am more stimulated during the effect, this has now made it more difficult for me to sleep at night, and I now usually fall asleep around 4 AM and I can expect my sleep to be delayed even further during supplementation at this time which I am willing to go through. Yes, Lithium has indeed interfered with this phenomenon, having me believe it's my circadian rhythm and that I will eventually be able go through an entire day and feel more stimulated and awake. I do not plan to continue supplementing with Lithium orotate once my circadian rhythm is satisfied. School starts 13th of August, so I really hope I will continue to improve.



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Posted 27 July 2018 - 04:33 PM

I started supplementing with Lithium orotate 5 mg for about 7 days ago, and have gradually increased my dose to 20 mg. Because Lithium prolongs the cellular activity, I think the best time to take it is when the effect kicks in; in my hope to delay the occurrence of the effect to the point where I wake up. I usually would get the effect around 6-8 PM as mentioned, but now it get it at 12 PM. Because I am more stimulated during the effect, this has now made it more difficult for me to sleep at night, and I now usually fall asleep around 4 AM and I can expect my sleep to be delayed even further during supplementation at this time which I am willing to go through. Yes, Lithium has indeed interfered with this phenomenon, having me believe it's my circadian rhythm and that I will eventually be able go through an entire day and feel more stimulated and awake. I do not plan to continue supplementing with Lithium orotate once my circadian rhythm is satisfied. School starts 13th of August, so I really hope I will continue to improve.


I am the same way. Which is weird because I take amphetamines all day so you would think I would have more motivation and energy then but I actually get all my energy and motivation around 8-11pm and I’ve usually been off amphetamines a good three hours. My circadian rhythm is definitely off I might try a low-dose lithium orate. What time do you suggest taking it?

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Posted 27 July 2018 - 05:56 PM

I am the same way. Which is weird because I take amphetamines all day so you would think I would have more motivation and energy then but I actually get all my energy and motivation around 8-11pm and I’ve usually been off amphetamines a good three hours. My circadian rhythm is definitely off I might try a low-dose lithium orate. What time do you suggest taking it?

I just want to clarify that I have little knowledge in Nootropics and how some of them work on a molecular scale and that I tend to look for more conclusive information, but to me it makes sense to me to take it when your "effect" kicks in which I believe is the waking state of organisms. I think the effect from Lithium peaks within an hour after consumption before it reduces in your body, so you probably want to take it that time. I am not affected by Lithium when taking it at the middle of the day compared to taking it at night as it's able to lengthen and promote the effect. From what I've read, Lithium works indirectly on an enzyme that is present during your wake-state so I think it might only be effective during that time. I think some people who have reported taking Lithium at the morning/noon and felt motivated are probably on another rhythm than we are. I suggest you read more about Lithium before you conclude from anything I've said.


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#11 Auzer

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Posted 17 August 2018 - 03:09 PM

I believe I have now successfully recovered from my biggest mental problems. Lithium orotate did help my case but very slowly, and after reading about light therapy and how effective it was for adjusting the circadian rhythm, I decided to get a lightbox. I found out about DSPS (Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome) and how light therapy could resolve it in less than a week by shining light from the light box to your eyes.

 

At the moment there were two popular light technologies on these devices; blue and white light. The white light found in these devices normally emits 10,000 lux and simulates the light exposed to from the sun which contains a spectrum of different lights, with each behaving and affects us differently. Blue light being one of them, triggers a certain hormone in our body that makes us feel more energetic and helps regulating the circadian clock. Blue light devices normally emits 200 lux as an optimal strength and usually costs more than regular white light devices. However, despite the outstanding benefit from blue light, some still recommends white light for this type of therapy. The lightbox I got was the cheapest which used white light with 10,000 lux. The product was mainly commercialized for sleep deprivation and included instructions on how to use it.

 

After only the first three days of 30 minute therapy, 6 am each morning, I experienced the same feeling like I used to do at the evening but now by the time I woke up and lasted throughout the day. It looks like my ADD symptoms are gone and I am more stimulated and social. Although my mental energy is there, my sleep cycle is dysregulated because I still have energy from 8 PM to 2 AM which makes me deprived of sleep the coming day. I've read that light therapy can advance the circadian clock, but can take weeks to reset it. I read how you can combine light therapy along with melatonin to treat the two aspects of DSPS. Melatonin being very effective at advancing the circadian clock, had already fixed my sleep cycle after my first dosage.

 

I find it quite fascinating how much this has impacted my life, knowing how I've been this way since childhood, how I've been on many medications for anxiety, how they tried to diagnose me with a psychosis and ADD, and how I recovered in just three days by looking into light. I even described how I changed during the evenings but was never taken into account. DSPS is said to be difficult to diagnose, but should still get more attention before being given an antipsychotic, at least in my psychiatry system. Because I've only been like this for a week, I am acknowledging the chance that this could be something unrelated to DSPS.

 

I would like to give special thanks to @jack black for pointing this out. If anyone have anything relevant to my experience within this forum topic then I can try to help you out.

 

References:

https://www.verywell...latonin-3015192

https://www.sad.co.u...white-light.htm


Edited by Auzer, 17 August 2018 - 03:14 PM.






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