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[Nate-2004]

I don't get why there is so much hostility towards supplements but even more so towards longevity. A lot of them seem more concerned with losing weight and even mentioning anti aging or supplements gets people up in a tizzy about it. I posted recently in the fasting subreddit and got blasted by some socialist about how I shouldn't be giving people my money and taking supplements and to "stop being a pussy and just stop eating", blah blah blah. I see this on our board as well, which is utterly ironic. What's the big freaking deal? Seems hugely money centric, like fasting for them is all about anti-capitalism and consumerism. Sorry but that's not my schtick. I'm pro market, but that's not what it's about for me, though saving money is a nice side effect, my main goal is to get the most bang for my buck out of the outright sacrifice of pleasure and enjoyment of life I invest into my health. I love food. I love it more than anything. But if I have to not eat for 5 days then I want the most out of that horrible 120 hours spent in deprivation. I find it annoying as hell that the people into fasting are so hostile about this and make blanket statements about supplements and claim there's no evidence for what I'm taking. If there were no evidence I wouldn't take it, I'm taking it (or interested in taking it) because there *is* some evidence.

 

Can I just spend my money where I like and maybe people could shut up about consumerism and radical, overgeneralizing skepticism of everything and either chime in with advice or leave me the hell alone? Surely I'm not alone in my desires. This is just all the more reason why nobody likes talking about fasting, even with other people who do it. Super frustrating. So I take EGCG, because there's some in vivo evidence that it stimulates autophagy in mice, so I take ALCAR because there's human evidence for the same and more. So we wanna take NR or NMN, so what? Stop giving people a hard time about it.

 

I wanna know if fasting and NR could go hand in hand, even theoretically, not whether I should take supplements or not.

Edited by Nate-2004, 19 August 2018 - 11:43 PM.

[Oakman]

 Don't get your cortisol up, not worth it. Some simply want to get a reaction. If they were so assured in their beliefs, they wouldn't need (or care) to attack yours. Rather they are merely defending a personal opinion. The best strategy is do your thing and laugh at their anxiety about your ideas.

Edited by Oakman, 20 August 2018 - 12:19 AM.

[pamojja]

Can I just spend my money where I like and maybe people could shut up about consumerism and radical, overgeneralizing skepticism of everything and either chime in with advice or leave me the hell alone?

 

Sure you can. In any forum there are obnoxious people trying to convince you of their own true way. That's the risk of posting on any forums. One only can learn how to deal with it more wisely.

 

Personally I still do at times feel shamed when I have to mention that my supplements, which bought me a remission from a walking-disability, cost me at least 450,- a month. But then I have to remind myself that I decided 30 years ago never to own a private car again, after considering all it's consequences. And that would have had the same monthly costs, with known side-effects.

 

Not to further moralize you, but to understand these are decision freely made by each of us. No one has the right to judge. And if some still do, it's out of lack of understanding.

Edited by pamojja, 20 August 2018 - 12:28 PM.

[Nate-2004]

You're right, I just see it a lot and it's frustrating. I deleted my post from there and unsubscribed because it became obvious no one was going to post anything helpful. It's all weight loss pictures anyway. I'm on my own here.

Edited by Nate-2004, 20 August 2018 - 12:36 PM.

[Oakman]

You're right, I just see it a lot and it's frustrating. I deleted my post from there and unsubscribed because it became obvious no one was going to post anything helpful. It's all weight loss pictures anyway. I'm on my own here.

 

You're never on your own here.

[John250]

Just do whatever you want. It’s your body and your money. I spend over $1k/mo on supplements and have gotten flamed for it but I make a lot of money and $1k/mo is nothing to me so I could care less about getting flamed. Everyone has their opinion on if supplements will break a “true” fast and effect autophagy,etc... but 99% of the population eats like crap and does nothing for their health so your obviously ahead of the game and that’s all that matters.

[Mind]

LongeCity has its share of dust-ups, but we tolerate it to some extent to foster the free flow of information....an increasing rarity in today's online world. I hope people appreciate the relatively light moderation of these forums.

 

Fasting can be a somewhat religious experience, as some have explained too me. So maybe that has something to do with it.

 

I take some supplements, but I am not a big promoter of them because they are (so far) only marginally effective at promoting health, life extension, or rejuvenation. I would argue for more people to fund biotech research, but I would not get angry at people for (over)spending on supplements.

[Nate-2004]

Yeah I can swing both funding research and buying the few supplements that are both well researched and show promise, at least as far as their specific utility.

Edited by Nate-2004, 20 August 2018 - 10:42 PM.

[XenMan]

Fasting can be a somewhat religious experience, as some have explained too me. So maybe that has something to do with it.

 

The cult of CRON goes back to Walford and carried on by his unhealthy looking daughter. The religious aspect of fasting and basically starving yourself is one part, but I see more the effort and disruption of normal life that it requires, creating a view of looking down on perceived shortcuts such as supplements.

 

I have no view on biotech research, as I’m seen as a pessimist, in that I can’t see things getting much better than what we have now; we are at the point of diminished returns.

 

The CRONies have it wrong as they are living like rats in an experiment, the bodybuilders have it wrong as they age prematurely due to high protein, and the supplement people have it wrong as they don’t realise supplement use is only for limited aspects of healthspan for the short term; while they take the supps, lost with cell turnover, and having to be continued indefinitely.

 

But when you combine the best of all three, and get the benefits from these vastly different and roughly equal life extending protocols, the result is the ultimate balanced approach to a long healthy life.

 

Due to the human tendency of group think from a guru, and the need to be part of a tribe, there will never be a good fusion of these protocols as mainstream.

 

“I wanna know if fasting and NR could go hand in hand,”

 

Yes, the different mechanisms compliment each other nicely; I do both.