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[jack black]

I just heard about her strict carnivore diet.

 

The story is legit. I have been following up Jordan Peterson and her daughter Mikhaila for a while.

 

these are probably the best videos to introduce them and their family mental issues:

 

 

 

this one is more recent with an update and lots of results:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by jack black, 12 November 2018 - 02:27 AM.

[gamesguru]

dat dere high glutamine diet. mental health certified x100 banana free lee girl oxoxox

what is good for depression (ser study) may be bad for schizophrenia. we do mankind a disservice by lumping categories like this. it mat also be bad for your kidneys and heart, just sayin

https://www.google.c...BYQH02v4pMZwxNF

[jack black]

i'm not so sure about it anymore. they are claiming they are not taking any vitamins. how is it possible they are not suffering from scurvy yet?

i still think low carb or keto diet could be helpful for some.

[gamesguru]

i just looked.. liver, oysters and fish roe supply 30-40mg of vitamin C per 100g serving.  it's not out of the question, but you have to doubt them.  just being in front of a camera makes people dishonest.

 

low carb is conceivably inferior to keto.  if you're going to go crazy, go all the way.

 

but i haven't found inspiration in either.  there are many fruits i would struggle without.  how would someone like me benefit from it?

 

the body might be designed to survive and perhaps thrive in cold prehistoric winters where food was far and few between and conflict with neighboring tribes was the norm, and sure it helps with epilepsy and diabetes, but it is not a magic cure all for general well health. it is voodoo magic of the 21st century and the spotlight of amateur blogging.  you are going, marching courageously into the night, driving your car each day on a cleaner, better fuel when the long-term effects are still unknown

[jaybird10 2]

I'm really interested in this topic as well. Georgia Ede is a psychiatrist who claims most of her clients see a reduction in mental health issues if able to eat strict ketogenic/carnivore diet. Amber o Hearn claims to have been able to control her Bi polar with a Strict Carnivore diet. Both have websites but I'm not sure so you'll have to google them. Shawn Baker has been strict Carnivore for two years and claims to be in Superior health and has seen his world record rowing times improve on this diet. He runs a website called meatheals and you can read up on people's positive results on an all meat diet. Goes to show we don't entirely know for sure that people need vegetables to thrive. I think we have barely scratched the surface on perfecting the human diet. Genetics, environment, health status,fitness goals are very individual and is exciting new research on the horizon.

[jack black]

i remember reading once that soviets figured out that short term starvation helps with mental diseases and arthritis. No one in the west took it seriously, I guess because it sounded like a macabre joke. However, mild starvation clinics are open now in Germany as far as I know (again, not a joke). it could be similar mechanisms playing a role as with carnivore diet, re shift in gut flora. or maybe this is all about ketosis like gamesguru mentioned.

Edited by jack black, 13 November 2018 - 02:01 PM.

[jack black]

if I was brave enough to try it, I would do it with my multivitamins. after all, cooking kills many vitamins. maybe before humans discovered cooking, raw meat/raw liver were just fine for them?

 

one more thing, Peterson mentioned since going on this strict diet, any cheating results in severe and long lasting mental issues for him. It's almost like you lose chronic tolerance to foods that effect you.

Edited by jack black, 13 November 2018 - 02:04 PM.

[FunkOdyssey]

I've been on the PKD which is a superior version of the carnivore diet (more nutrient dense and more healthful / ketogenic balance of fat:protein) for about a month and my depression, ADHD, fatigue, skin, joint pain, GERD, IBS, and more are all vastly improved.  I just mentioned it in another thread a few minutes ago: https://www.longecit...ndpost&p=862610

 

The stories of healing people have with this way of eating seem unbelievable until you begin to experience it yourself. It's the closest thing I've ever encountered to a panacea.

 

BTW, you don't need Vitamin C and will not develop scurvy if you are eating sufficient meat and are excluding all carbohydrates.  Meat supplies more vitamin C than is commonly known and your requirement is far lower when glucose is not competing with Vitamin C for bioavailability.  If you do it properly you do not need to supplement ANYTHING, with the possible exception of some electrolytes in the early adaptation phase.  Eating meat raw is neither necessary nor advisable.

Edited by FunkOdyssey, 13 November 2018 - 07:40 PM.

[FunkOdyssey]

There are multiple mechanisms that are likely responsible for the benefits of this diet:

 

1. Improved intestinal permeability (see paleomedicina / Zsofia Clemens PEG 400 testing of the Paleolithic Ketogenic Diet)
2. Starving out pathogenic gut flora
3. Complete absence of plant-derived toxins
4. Improved insulin sensitivity, lower insulin and blood glucose levels
5. Anti-inflammatory effects of ketones
6. Lower oxidative stress due to all of the above
7. Better nutrient status from the most bioavailable form of all nutrients and zero anti-nutrients in the diet

That's off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm forgetting some.  The best thing about the diet from my perspective is that it completely eliminates the need to worry about the microbiome, which is an intractable problem for many people.  I've gone as far as an FMT without any lasting improvement on a more typical diet. 

 

Vegetable Police explains some of the benefits for digestion, versus trying to fix your microbiome, in this great video: https://youtu.be/N1JIF7_tTv0

Edited by FunkOdyssey, 13 November 2018 - 07:57 PM.

[gamesguru]

I could easily enumerate the benefits of a diet in normal levels of carbohydrates, like I was a python program.

 

1. It reduces the peroxidation of lipids and fatty acids (triglycerides/cholesterol).[1]
2. It triples life expectancy in rodents, compared to those fed a keto/high fat/high protein diet[2]
3. You feel normal, e.g. you don't feel like you're climbing Mt. Everest, but you at least think you can.
4. You save money or your health, by not having to pay for lots of organic/grass-fed meats or animal products.
5. You don't get a lot of advanced glycation products, that you would with prepared meats[3]
6. You get to enjoy other health benefits of rice, potatoes (potassium), sprouted grains and other fiber-rich starchy foods.

 

Given ketosis isn't for everyone, I think the remaining benefits of the "atkins-eqsue" diets suggested may be outweighed by the negatives I have outlined.

 

Sure eliminating bad gut bacteria and cutting blood sugar and oxalic acid is cool... but so is not ingesting a ton of advanced glycation and triglyceride-forming products

 

Is a well-chosen, basmati rice really so evil?  Did you read #2 and citation [2] ?

[jack black]

I've been on the PKD which is a superior version of the carnivore diet (more nutrient dense and more healthful / ketogenic balance of fat:protein) for about a month and my depression, ADHD, fatigue, skin, joint pain, GERD, IBS, and more are all vastly improved.  I just mentioned it in another thread a few minutes ago: https://www.longecit...ndpost&p=862610

 

 

I'm tempted to try something like that, maybe even preceded by a short starvation, but I'm no giving up my vitamins.  Did you pay those Hungarian docs, or you just mimicked their diet?

[jack black]

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2. It triples life expectancy in rodents, compared to those fed a keto/high fat/high protein diet[2]
3. [...]

  Did you read #2 and citation [2] ?

 

rodents are not carnivores, are they?

[gamesguru]

true we are different from mice, but i am not generally trying to follow a lifestyle which kills mice

 

the glycation products are another deterrent.  even if you stew your meats or eat them raw.  a lot of AGEs surprisingly come from unprocessed, unheated plant fats[1].  but if you look under carbohydrates, you see some processed ones spiking yes, but rice and potatoes are near the very bottom and that's where i get most of my calories.

 

and a lot of things that are somewhat starchy are also highly antioxidative, these will be off-limits for you.  yams, green peas, beans, and sprouted grains to name a few

[Bruce Klein]

The stories of healing people have with this way of eating seem unbelievable until you begin to experience it yourself. It's the closest thing I've ever encountered to a panacea. 

 

Quite true... for me, it was Psoriasis. And great to see the first carnivore conference organized Mar 2019 (Bolder, CO) by Amber O'Hearn. In addition to Amber... hat tip to Shawn Baker, Ken Berry, Frank Tufano, Jordan and Mikhaila Peterson and others. Paul Saladino eloquently explains how best to start: 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=odeN-ZixdxA

 

And thanks to Vilhjalmur Stefansson for his research into Inuit diets... where he lived for four years in the Canadian Arctic eating only meat and fish: 

 

 

 

While there was considerable skepticism when Stefansson reported his findings about the viability of an exclusively meat diet, his claims have been borne out in later studies and analyses. In multiple studies, it was shown that the Inuit diet was a ketogenic diet. While the Inuit diet derived a percentage of its calories from the glycogen found in the raw meats, the native Inuit ate a diet of primarily stewed (boiled) fish and meats while occasionally eating raw fish. To combat erroneous conventional beliefs about diet, Stefansson and his fellow explorer Karsten Anderson agreed to undertake a study to demonstrate that they could eat a 100% meat diet in a closely observed laboratory setting for the first several weeks. For the rest of an entire year, paid observers followed them to ensure dietary compliance. 

https://en.wikipedia...ively_meat_diet 

Edited by Bruce Klein, 21 July 2019 - 09:09 PM.