Posted 19 June 2020 - 01:59 PM
I'm curious to know if there are people on this forum that are aware of the health and longevity benefits derived from, or who practice, the Chinese yoga exercises commonly called qigong? The reason I'm curious is because I'm a chi kung master, and doing this saved my life, or at least my quality of life.
Posted 20 June 2020 - 05:06 PM
I haven't seen any studies that show life extension from qigong.
I haven't seen any studies like that either, but there are tons of testimonials concerning amazing benefits to quality of life, which points to life extension also. In fact the important thing is quality of life in old age isn't it? In addition there are qigong hospitals in China with countless cures due to qigong, but that's about healing sick people rather than improving already healthy people.
I really like the information you have shared about rejuvenation and I'll be starting on the mitochondria protocol when the courier service gets the stuff I ordered into this country.
Posted 21 June 2020 - 01:35 PM
I am interested in learning qigong; if you have any recommendations on books, videos, or other resources to get started, I would be grateful for them.
For starters I suggest videos rather than books, because videos, many of which are free, have moving exercises and books usually have visualization exercises, which besides obviously not being any exercise, are known to cause a lot of health problems and energy imbalances.
I like to use the term chi kung, because it's phonetic, and I'm old fashioned. it has the same meaning as qigong.
There are many types of chi kung so which one you would like depends on your goals, so let me know. I'll list the main types, there is medical chi kung for healing all kinds of sickness, there is calming chi kung which is more for relaxation, there is chi kung for martial artists which is for withstanding blows (but it causes most of them to die young), there is strength, speed, and flexibility chi kung for martial artists and athletes, there are types of chi kung and strenuous standing meditations for building chi power. There is a lot of overlap in a lot of these different types. Then there are the wholistic systems which include most of the above in addition to fast spiritual growth, which lends psychic abilities, and those are kept secret and only shared to a few in person. The last type is classified as nei kung, real nei kung, be advised there is a lot of fake nei kung offered to the public. I'm a nei kung adept myself.
Tai chi is also a very good chi kung but it really should only be learned in person.
So let me know what aspects are most interesting to you and I can share some videos. I'm planning on being offline for five days so for now I'll share a few with you.
This one is good for relaxation and a little energy work, I approve of all this guy's videos:
This is one of the most effective and powerful medical healing chi kungs available:
This is by the notorious Feng Zhiquiang, my grandfather tai chi teacher, for energy and power:
This one is more of a hard workout for strengthening and stretching, and has stronger energy work: https://youtu.be/GvQUttWLVWc
Edited by Starjumper7, 21 June 2020 - 01:37 PM.
Posted 21 June 2020 - 01:42 PM
A note to those who may be skeptical about energy aspects of the body. The nerves are electrical, the bones are mostly collagen and piezoelectric crystals, which generate electricity, the muscles are activated electrically via the nerves, and the blood has iron in it which is magnetic. It is possible to learn to feel the electrical activity in your own body and to also feel the energy fields which others generate.
Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:07 PM
A note to those who may be skeptical about energy aspects of the body. The nerves are electrical, the bones are mostly collagen and piezoelectric crystals, which generate electricity, the muscles are activated electrically via the nerves, and the blood has iron in it which is magnetic. It is possible to learn to feel the electrical activity in your own body and to also feel the energy fields which others generate.
Wonderful! Thanks for the help. I will check out the videos you have shared.
To be more specific about my particular interests, I would focus on two areas. First, general healing, rest, recovery. In the qi framework, I am running very yang - but this is not sustainable, as my body sickens and decays from the chronic stress. I need help accessing the yin energy - feelings of tranquility, calm, and safety, to facilitate the natural restorative processes. I am hopeful, though, because when things are "in balance" in my life, people have said that I have "good energy."
Second, yes, the spiritual path is one in which I would like guidance. I was a physicist for the first portion of my adult life, because I was fascinated with the question, "Why does the Universe exist?" (though my daily work was more practical.) I expected that question to live on in the background of my life until retirement or death, but to my shock, a few years ago, the answer came. This happened months before my physical and emotional life fell to pieces, but when I finally put those pieces back together, I was left with many new questions. Some of those deal with spiritual aspects of existence. I understand that this sort of teaching requires mentorship and individual guidance, because each person's experience of the ineffable is unique. I don't know if nei kung would be appropriate or not, but it certainly does sound interesting.
Also, regarding bioelectric activity - have you ever taken a look into ICES / PEMF? There are some promising, though small scale, studies showing regenerative benefits of pulsed fields.
Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:40 PM
To be more specific about my particular interests, I would focus on two areas. First, general healing, rest, recovery. In the qi framework, I am running very yang - but this is not sustainable, as my body sickens and decays from the chronic stress. I need help accessing the yin energy - feelings of tranquility, calm, and safety, to facilitate the natural restorative processes. I am hopeful, though, because when things are "in balance" in my life, people have said that I have "good energy."
For health you can use a medical chi kung like I posted, and you can do a good regular chi kung, which is more exercise, like the other videos I shared. For relaxation it's good to do a chi kung which includes breathing with the movements, like in the first video, and like in tai chi as taught by someone who is more advanced and knows the details
Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:49 PM
Second, yes, the spiritual path is one in which I would like guidance. I was a physicist for the first portion of my adult life, because I was fascinated with the question, "Why does the Universe exist?" (though my daily work was more practical.) I expected that question to live on in the background of my life until retirement or death, but to my shock, a few years ago, the answer came. This happened months before my physical and emotional life fell to pieces, but when I finally put those pieces back together, I was left with many new questions. Some of those deal with spiritual aspects of existence. I understand that this sort of teaching requires mentorship and individual guidance, because each person's experience of the ineffable is unique. I don't know if nei kung would be appropriate or not, but it certainly does sound interesting.
Keep in mind that you won't find real nei kung taught in a video or explained in a book. That's because by definition, real nei kung is the whole system with thousands of techniques, and it isn't possible to put something like that in videos or books, not to mention, there is none of the all important feedback required from a master.
Edited by Starjumper7, 28 June 2020 - 05:50 PM.
Posted 04 July 2020 - 04:54 PM
Also, true spirituality is silent, no one tells you what to think or what to discover. it is completely internally self validated knowings. If someone starts telling you what to think then it has devolved from spiritual into a religion.
Of course! But some techniques to facilitate the discovery process can, hopefully, be taught.
Also, the answer is almost meaningless compared to the process of asking the question. Just look at the cruelty practiced by some members of religions that are supposedly centered on peace and kindness to see how empty received knowledge is compared to that which is earned.
Thanks very much for your replies.
Posted 04 July 2020 - 10:09 PM
I'm sorry, I posted a link to the book instead of the video I wanted to share, which describes nei kung.
Hare is the video: https://youtu.be/NIToIwO2cOU
Of course! But some techniques to facilitate the discovery process can, hopefully, be taught.
That is what real spiritual paths are all about, is sharing the techniques to facilitate the discovery process. Some systems, like Zen, only have one technique, while nei kung systems have many techniques with a synergistic effect.
Posted 04 July 2020 - 10:13 PM
Also, the answer is almost meaningless compared to the process of asking the question.
This is true, to be able to ask intelligent questions means the asker is already primed and open for an answer, a necessary thing for true evolution; and yes, the questions are more important than the answers. Answers can have different levels which reveal themselves over the years, and of course those answers can lead to more questions.
Posted 21 July 2020 - 08:28 PM
A note to those who may be skeptical about energy aspects of the body. The nerves are electrical, the bones are mostly collagen and piezoelectric crystals, which generate electricity, the muscles are activated electrically via the nerves, and the blood has iron in it which is magnetic. It is possible to learn to feel the electrical activity in your own body and to also feel the energy fields which others generate.
Not exactly on topic but along those lines, I've been recently reading about the benefits of grounding, also called earthing. This is a therapeutic technique that involves doing activities that “ground” or electrically reconnect you to the earth and can have positive effects on your body. Fascinating stuff!
Posted 21 July 2020 - 11:36 PM
Not exactly on topic but along those lines, I've been recently reading about the benefits of grounding, also called earthing. This is a therapeutic technique that involves doing activities that “ground” or electrically reconnect you to the earth and can have positive effects on your body. Fascinating stuff!
I have read that earthing is easy if you go barefoot on the ground, and that it brings electrons into your body, therefore acting like an antioxidant. In chi kung grounding more often refers to being emotionally balanced, calm, and stable.
Edited by Starjumper7, 21 July 2020 - 11:36 PM.
Posted 22 July 2020 - 03:55 PM
Always hear of miracle things coming from africa, india or china . never seen any proof.
Well then you aren't really serious about looking. As far as qigong is concerned, there is tons of anecdotal evidence about its effectiveness, tons of accounts, which is proof enough for many people. The research and results from Chinese qigong hospitals is also proof, although many Westerners not only are not interested in looking at those, but don't want to give credit to their research and results. In fact there is some Western scientfic lab research which proves the results some serious practitioners achieve.
Edited by Starjumper7, 22 July 2020 - 03:57 PM.
Posted 23 January 2021 - 02:34 AM
It looks like this forum has gone dormant for a while, but if anyone has read this far, they might be interested in this: https://doi.org/10.1123/japa.2019-0315
Benign prostatic hyperplasia and its associated lower urinary tract symptoms seriously affect both the physical and mental health of older men. In order to determine the efficiency of Chinese Qigong Yi Jin Jing on prostate health in older individuals, thirty participants were randomized into either an Yi Jin Jing group (n = 15) or a control group (n = 15). After the 6-month intervention, the Yi Jin Jing group showed a significant decrease in international prostate symptom score and a significant increase in maximal urinary flow rate (compared with the control group p = .005, p = .001, respectively). Also, testosterone level increased and estrogen/testosterone ratio decreased in the Yi Jin Jing group (compared with the baseline p = .004, p = .002, respectively); estrogen level and estrogen/testosterone ratio were lower in the Yi Jin Jing group (compared with the control group p = .029, p = .012, respectively). The results showed that Yi Jin Jing is a promising way to reduce the risk of benign prostatic hyperplasia-lower urinary tract symptoms in older men.
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