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#31 Hip

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Posted 04 August 2021 - 01:40 PM

"Will not protect against any variants"?
 
Rhetorical question: how do you know?
 
That's an absolute declaration in regard to knowledge that you can't possibly have. Followed by by the requisite vax promotion. 

 

 

Perhaps you might care to read the full sentence I wrote:

 

"However, such long-lasting immunity will not protect against any SARS-CoV-2 variants which evolve into a sufficiently different virus."

 

 

It is still a concern today that a SARS-CoV-2 may evolve into a sufficiently different variant which the current vaccines cannot protect against. 

 

It should not be a major problem though, because the vaccines can be adapted to handle new variants. 


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#32 Ames

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Posted 04 August 2021 - 05:11 PM

If you were actually following the science,

 

Its going to be a glorious day when this is over and every minivan-driving midwit soccer parent, and others such as you, aren't using the phrase "follow the science" as a replacement for an understanding of how to read, interpret, and cite science as evidence. 

 

To wit, no scientist nor person who was trained in science would combine the above phrase with "there were grave concerns" as evidence of "following the science". 

 

In an attempt to spin your way out of being called out on being wrong, within your prior attempt to use your (wrong) statements as a platform for being a vaccine promotion, you accuse me of getting my information from social media influencers after citing actual science. While your rhetoric revolves around social media's favorite catch phrase (in place of science): "follow the science".

 

 

and if you can remember as far back as the beginning of the pandemic, there were grave concerns that coronavirus infection would not produce lasting immunity. Fortunately, it has turned out coronavirus infection does produce immunity which lasts for a reasonably long time. 

 

If on the other hand you were getting your information from social media influencers, you probably do not know about the science.

 

There is a difference, you know, between professors of immunology, and bimbo influencers with large breasts on a YouTube channel. 

 

 

Let me get this straight. 

 

You were wrong. 

 

I am right.

 

But you were right in being wrong,

 

and I must have been getting my correct information from social media influencers.

 

yada yada.... your continued abuse of a straw man. 

 

You can't be a serious forum participant. 

 

 Unless you have experienced for yourself the horrors of what a virus can do to totally destroy your life, you really don't understand the potential consequences of a viral infection As someone who developed a crippling lifelong disease (myalgic encephalomyelitis, aka ME/CFS) from a viral infection I had 15 years ago, I have been promoting vaccines and research into viruses for some time. I live every miserable day with the consequences of not being protected from some of the nasty viruses out there which can cause chronic disease. 

 

The Longevity community are an innocent bunch who don't really understand the causes of ill health and early death.

 

 Like most people in the general public, the Longevity community don't appreciate (and are not even aware of) the link between infectious pathogens and chronic disease. The whole Longevity community is barking up the wrong tree, in terms of what they think causes ill health and early death. I have been trying to bring pathogens to the awareness of the Longevity community on this forum for years, but without anyone really listening.

 

 

My opinion is that you are thinking delusionally. There is likely a more specific psychiatric term for it, but I wouldn't feel confident in trying to zero in on it (ie: something that tells you that you are specifically unique and wise in a forum full of people with issues and advanced degrees). The delusional thinking encourages embarassing statements such as those above, and encourages your misguided rhetorical style.

 

How many people that participate here do you think suffer from crippling conditions?

 

You incorrectly percieve your uniqueness, in both condition and understanding. Your self-contrast with others here reveals issues that you may want to talk to a psychologist about. II'm not trying to embarass you. But your generalization of people here as well as your self-concept is off kilter. 


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#33 Ames

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Posted 04 August 2021 - 05:15 PM

Perhaps you might care to read the full sentence I wrote:

 

"However, such long-lasting immunity will not protect against any SARS-CoV-2 variants which evolve into a sufficiently different virus."

 

 

It is still a concern today that a SARS-CoV-2 may evolve into a sufficiently different variant which the current vaccines cannot protect against. 

 

It should not be a major problem though, because the vaccines can be adapted to handle new variants. 

 

I read it, the first time around. My prior answer stands. 



#34 Hip

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Posted 04 August 2021 - 08:14 PM

Let me get this straight.

You were wrong.

I am right.

But you were right in being wrong,

and I must have been getting my correct information from social media influencers.


It is never appropriate to be making a definitive statement for which there is no evidence.

If you stated that the SARS-CoV-2 infection would produce long-lasting immunity before there was evidence it would, then you misinformed people, because there was no evidence at the time.

If you stated that your best guess was that it might produce long-lasting immunity, that would be fine, as anyone can speculate. But it's not good to state something as a fact when it has not yet been proven.

 


Regarding long term immunity to viruses: most viruses do produce long term immunity lasting decades, if not for a lifetime. So for most viruses, there would be no worry about long term immunity.

But coronavirus is an unusual virus which sometimes does not trigger long term immunity. Coronavirus is one of the common cold viruses, and because it may not create long term immunity, you can catch the same coronavirus cold again years later.

That is why there was concern about SARS-CoV-2 not producing long term immunity, because SARS-CoV-2 is from the coronavirus genus.

I was surprised myself by this, because I always believed all infections would lead to long term immunity for decades after; but I learnt at the beginning of the pandemic that this is not always the case. 


 

How many people that participate here do you think suffer from crippling conditions?


I don't think you understood what I wrote. Let me explain again:

It is not just ME/CFS which is linked to viruses and bacteria, it is nearly every chronic disease and cancer. If the pathogen theory of chronic disease is true, you and everyone else on this forum will almost certainly die of a pathogen that you may have caught decades earlier in your lifetime.

If that does not make you think, then I don't know what will. This should be groundbreaking information for Longevity enthusiasts. But few people on this forum show any interest in pathogenic causes of a shortened lifespan and healthspan. As I say, I think the Longevity community is missing a big piece in the puzzle, the piece I am trying to raise awareness about. 

 


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