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[Ambrosia]

Curious in the case of Pfizer and moderna what supplements should one take to minimise the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis?

For those of us wanting to take the vaccine or have no choice due to government mandates it would be great service to figure out what supplements we should be taking prior to getting the first and second shots.

[Dorian Grey]

If I was a young male (myocarditis high risk group), I believe I would seek out an alternative to the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA jabs.  J & J or AstraZeneca.  These alternate jabs have gotten a bad rap regarding effectiveness.  They were trialed AFTER variants started to appear.  Pfizer/Moderna were not.  All seem equally effective at preventing hospitalization.  In fact...  Israel went with all Pfizer, and now half of their hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated.  Pfizer's superior effectiveness looks to be wearing off quite quickly.  

 

I was quite pleased with my one-and-done J&J jab.  Took baby aspirin and Vitamin-E to thin blood and reduce possibility of clotting.  I had no side effects, & was glad not to have to go back for the second jab, & side effects that tend to occur with the repeat kick to the immune system.  

 

The mystery of myocarditis with Pfizer/Moderna is that they don't seem to know what causes it.  If we knew this, it would be much easier to build a prophylactic supplement stack.  With no real info on why this occurs, I would tend to think anti-inflammatory supps would be a logical choice.  Curcumin, Quercetin, and perhaps aspirin come to mind. 

 

If you have no option other than Pfizer/Moderna, I would avoid ANY exercise or strenuous work for at least a week, and preferably more.  Exercise and exertion exacerbate myocarditis, and if you experience this, your doc will advise you to take it easy on your heart for a month or so. If you're a gym rat or jogging fanatic, resist the urge to work out and stress your heart.  

 

Also...  Moderna packs a much higher dose of the lipid nanoparticles than Pfizer.  AVOID MODERNA if you are high risk (young male) for myocarditis!  

[lancebr]

You have to be very careful about what supplements or other items you take during the vaccine incubation period.

 

Certain things can inhibit Cox-1 and Cox-2 enzymes and if you inhibit these enzymes studies have shown that this

reduces the antibody response to vaccines.  So if you inhibit these enzymes while you are taking a vaccine then

you are just reducing the antibodies that you will get from the vaccine.

 

https://www.verywell...vaccine-5111319

 

Some of the items shown to inhibit Cox enzymes are aspirin, certain anti-inflammatories, and certain supplements.

 

Im not a fan of Dr Fauci, but even he admitted at one of the Senate or House hearings when questioned about it

that people have to watch what they take during the vaccine incubation period so as not to reduce the antibody response.

 

Ashley Ellis, PharmD, director of clinical operations for Compwell, previously told Best Life that anti-inflammatories

"block a pathway called the cyclooxygenase-2 (cox-2) enzyme"—and your body needs these enzymes to be able to

produce antibodies against the virus and build immunity.

 

So you need to be sure that any supplements or other items you might be taking during the vaccine period will not

block these Cox enzymes to be sure you get the full benefit of the vaccine antibody response.

 

 

[Ambrosia]

If I was a young male (myocarditis high risk group), I believe I would seek out an alternative to the Pfizer/Moderna mRNA jabs.  J & J or AstraZeneca.  These alternate jabs have gotten a bad rap regarding effectiveness.  They were trialed AFTER variants started to appear.  Pfizer/Moderna were not.  All seem equally effective at preventing hospitalization.  In fact...  Israel went with all Pfizer, and now half of their hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated.  Pfizer's superior effectiveness looks to be wearing off quite quickly.  

 

I was quite pleased with my one-and-done J&J jab.  Took baby aspirin and Vitamin-E to thin blood and reduce possibility of clotting.  I had no side effects, & was glad not to have to go back for the second jab, & side effects that tend to occur with the repeat kick to the immune system.  

 

The mystery of myocarditis with Pfizer/Moderna is that they don't seem to know what causes it.  If we knew this, it would be much easier to build a prophylactic supplement stack.  With no real info on why this occurs, I would tend to think anti-inflammatory supps would be a logical choice.  Curcumin, Quercetin, and perhaps aspirin come to mind. 

 

If you have no option other than Pfizer/Moderna, I would avoid ANY exercise or strenuous work for at least a week, and preferably more.  Exercise and exertion exacerbate myocarditis, and if you experience this, your doc will advise you to take it easy on your heart for a month or so. If you're a gym rat or jogging fanatic, resist the urge to work out and stress your heart.  

 

Also...  Moderna packs a much higher dose of the lipid nanoparticles than Pfizer.  AVOID MODERNA if you are high risk (young male) for myocarditis!  

 

Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts on this, in my case for non-MRNA AstraZeneca vax is only available for those under 60 if you sign a legal waiver giving up any rights for compensation incase of vaccine damage, even then my local GP/Doctor refused to even discuss it when i asked him as he doesn't want to be liable, my only options are Pfizer and Moderna unfortunately. Would def have preferred a one jab J&J and be done with it but we don't have that here (government banned J&J)

Was also hoping to hold out for Novavax but that's delayed for another year or so.

 

I'm going to try and hold out for as long as possible but sounds like its going to be Pfizer for me, i'm in the high risk group for pfizer side effects, was hoping we figured out a supplement regimen by now to try and minimize / prevent Myocarditis !

 

i think it would be a great service for all if we figure it out eventually, esp if these vaccines will make our efforts of longevity worthless. For example whats the point of fasting, NMN, etc if these vaccines and endless booster shots will ultimately destroy our arteries and shorten lives (i could be wrong it's just an assumption)

Edited by Ambrosia, 29 August 2021 - 03:20 AM.

[Gal220]

I'm going to try and hold out for as long as possible but sounds like its going to be Pfizer for me, i'm in the high risk group for pfizer side effects, was hoping we figured out a supplement regimen by now to try and minimize / prevent Myocarditis !

 

i think it would be a great service for all if we figure it out eventually, esp if these vaccines will make our efforts of longevity worthless. For example whats the point of fasting, NMN, etc if these vaccines and endless booster shots will ultimately destroy our arteries and shorten lives (i could be wrong it's just an assumption)

 

I would take

-max dose blood cleanser to help digest up the circulating spike and eat through any blood clots like Serracor nk or Neprinol afd.  These do have serrapeptase in them which eats up dead tissue, not good for plastic surgery/fillers.

       This product + nattokinase would exclude the serrapeptase

-limit caffeine intake, restricts your blood vessels.

-increase foods with nitric oxide like spinach and carrots.

-make sure the nurse is familiar with checking if blood gets in the jab, there is a technique to it. 

 

Not sure anyone knows the sweet spot for time between shots, Dr.Campbell thinks UK is getting better results with an increased delay(10 weeks).  I would think this would also help with the myocarditis, it always occurs after the 2nd jab unless you already had covid, it can occur after the first.

 

Not sure how far off the Pfizer delta formulation is, but ideally I think the 2nd shot should be this one.  Simply amazing to me people are pushing a 3rd jab that isnt reformulated.

Edited by Gal220, 31 August 2021 - 01:35 AM.

[geo12the]

 

 

i think it would be a great service for all if we figure it out eventually, esp if these vaccines will make our efforts of longevity worthless. For example whats the point of fasting, NMN, etc if these vaccines and endless booster shots will ultimately destroy our arteries and shorten lives (i could be wrong it's just an assumption)

 

I think it's important to keep things in perspective. There is zero evidence that vaccines will make efforts at longevity worthless. Why buy into the anti-vax hysteria? On the other hand COVID can end ones life and that threat is real. 

[Hip]

was hoping we figured out a supplement regimen by now to try and minimize / prevent Myocarditis !

 

If you want to try to prevent myocarditis, avoid going out with any new girlfriends or boyfriends, because the viruses that can cause myocarditis, such as coxsackievirus A, coxsackievirus B, parvovirus B19, echovirus, HHV-6, etc are spread by saliva, and are thus transmitted person to person by kissing.

 

These viruses are also linked to diabetes, neurological diseases, sudden heart attacks in the healthy, and many other diseases.

 

Human populations are a festering cesspit of viral and bacterial pathogens, which we spread to each other by normal social contact, and especially French kissing. These pathogens are linked to numerous cancers and chronic diseases.

[kurt9]

I think Turnbuckle's mitochondrial fission/fusion protocol as well as his stem-cell regeneration with senolytics protocol ought to work to reduce or eliminate any of the side effects of the vaccines. I did the mitochondrial one all this summer and I can tell you it definitely works. If the covid=19 spike protein, either from the virus or vaccine, does indeed shorten telomers, there is a telomere extension thread as well.

[Gal220]

Dr. Ryan Cole discusses uptick in Cancers - Link1, Link2

 

TLR(Toll Like Receptor) sounds the alarm to the innate immune system.  mRNA jabs down regulates some of these TLRs so it can deliver the programming.  BUT these TLRs keep cancers and domant viruses in check..

 

Start in at 6:17

https://www.bitchute...eo/dsP2jRe6IhHo

Edited by Gal220, 26 September 2021 - 02:01 AM.

[Gal220]

Dr Campbell has more ammunition on injections hitting blood vessels, proper technique is important

 

Otherwise more myocarditis - LINK

 

[Gal220]

 

Dr. Ryan Cole discusses uptick in Cancers - Link1, Link2

 

TLR(Toll Like Receptor) sounds the alarm to the innate immune system.  mRNA jabs down regulates some of these TLRs so it can deliver the programming.  BUT these TLRs keep cancers and domant viruses in check..

 

Start in at 6:17

https://www.bitchute...eo/dsP2jRe6IhHo

 

 

Mitigation

 

Quercetin, Curcumin, and EGCG all anti-cancer nutrients - link

Keep vitamin D and C up - link

Beta Glucans excite natural killer cells - link

 

Many Cancers are sugar dependent.  Limit soda, bread/pasta

[Ambrosia]

Dr Campbell has more ammunition on injections hitting blood vessels, proper technique is important

Otherwise more myocarditis - LINK

https://www.youtube....h?v=nBaIRm4610o

Thanks for sharing that, where I live (Australia) it seems pinching technique is widely used, we have daily vaccination updates on TV and pretty much every video or picture I can see the nurse pinching then injecting. I asked a work colleague who just got vaccinated and he said they pinched him too. This tells me that gov has not updated the vax administration guidelines

Clearly this needs to be addressed but as Dr Campbell says no one wants to take this seriously and his proposal was dismissed by health minister.

This is a wider problem during this pandemic it seems we’re still going by data from a year ago and any recent findings that might improve safety and save lives are completely ignored. “Vaccines are safe” end of story, not debatable, that seems to be the ongoing attitude

When we get our vaccine shots we should individually insist on not getting pinched.

Edited by Ambrosia, 26 September 2021 - 11:12 PM.

[Gal220]

Thanks for sharing that, where I live (Australia) it seems pinching technique is widely used, we have daily vaccination updates on TV and pretty much every video or picture I can see the nurse pinching then injecting. I asked a work colleague who just got vaccinated and he said they pinched him too. This tells me that gov has not updated the vax administration guidelines

Clearly this needs to be addressed but as Dr Campbell says no one wants to take this seriously and his proposal was dismissed by health minister.

This is a wider problem during this pandemic it seems we’re still going by data from a year ago and any recent findings that might improve safety and save lives are completely ignored. “Vaccines are safe” end of story, not debatable, that seems to be the ongoing attitude

When we get our vaccine shots we should individually insist on not getting pinched.

 

Its the same with blood clots, how can there not be a simple adjunct to address them?  Or circulating spike protein? 

 

I personally dont think the risk > benefit for my age group is there, but if I did, I would like "The emperor has no cloths" nonsense to stop and fix the problem.

[Gal220]

Walter Chestnut Deep Dive on spike protein - link

 

"MY MOST IMPORTANT FINDING TO DATE! OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE!

Synthesizing my work of the past few weeks has led me to a stunning revelation:

COVID-19 IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A DISEASE OF EXTRACELLULAR DNA (ecDNA) AND ITS IMPAIRED REMOVAL!

THIS IS WHY COVID PATIENTS RESEMBLE BURN"

 

Much more to it at the link, he doesnt offer solutions though other than stopping the Vax.  I think a blood cleanser and early prevention(mouthwash) is key

Edited by Gal220, 02 October 2021 - 10:51 PM.

[Gal220]

He gives his references in this post

https://twitter.com/...397174159183872

[geo12the]

 

Walter Chestnut Deep Dive on spike protein - link

 

"MY MOST IMPORTANT FINDING TO DATE! OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE!

Synthesizing my work of the past few weeks has led me to a stunning revelation:

COVID-19 IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A DISEASE OF EXTRACELLULAR DNA (ecDNA) AND ITS IMPAIRED REMOVAL!

THIS IS WHY COVID PATIENTS RESEMBLE BURN"

 

Much more to it at the link, he doesnt offer solutions though other than stopping the Vax.  I think a blood cleanser and early prevention(mouthwash) is key

 

 

I tried reading his twitter explanation and it's mostly a simplistic view of the situation masquerading as a eureka moment. "OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE!" LOL!!! FWIW, there are diseases where accumulation of extracellular DNA from dead cells is a problem , for example Cystic Fibrosis, and in that case one of the treatment is inhaling DNase (an enzyme that degrades DNA).  Maybe the same kind of treatment might be beneficial for breaking down mucus in COVID patients? Right now the study is very small " We treated five patients with COVID-19 presenting acute symptoms with clinically approved aerosolized Pulmozyme" .  Time will tell.  But  "MY MOST IMPORTANT FINDING!"??? When discussing findings of other people who actually did the research and proposed the conclusions?  PLEASE.

Edited by geo12the, 03 October 2021 - 04:40 PM.

[Advocatus Diaboli]

geo12the wrote:

 

"Time will tell.  But  "MY MOST IMPORTANT FINDING!"??? When discussing findings of other people who actually did the research and proposed the conclusions?  PLEASE."

 

It's done all of the time. A quirky way that knowledge progresses. Some people make discoveries and others tie everything together. Stigler's law of eponomy sorta reflects the real-world situation.

 

James Clerk Maxwell, for example, "took the work of Faraday and others and summarized it in a set of equations which is accepted as the basis of all modern theories of electromagnetic phenomena."

Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 03 October 2021 - 05:08 PM.

[geo12the]

Re post # 16

 

geo12the wrote:

 

"I tried reading his twitter explanation and it's mostly a simplistic view of the situation masquerading as a eureka moment....but I don't think that is what is going on with COVID."

 

geo12the, could you give the reasonng from which you've formed your opinion? If there are references or studies you can cite, then that'd be helpful to let others know the "why" of what you think.

 

No problem with stating an opinion--scientific references aren't needed. However, it sure would be interesting to learn the thought processes involved.

 

What do you think is going on?

 

 

edit--I see geo12the has modified his post to exclude "but I don't think that is what is going on with COVID." 

 

COVID is not the same as cystic fibrosis "I don't think that is what is going on with COVID", but I modified my post, because, the possibility is there that if too much mucus is an issue, maybe DNAse would help? That is what I wrote in the updated post.   As I said time will tell. I have a degree in Genetics so much of my opinion is informed from what I know about DNA etc".  But I think the statements (!!!!) of the Chestnut guy are self-aggrandizing. That is my opinion.  

[geo12the]

geo12the wrote:

 

"Time will tell.  But  "MY MOST IMPORTANT FINDING!"??? When discussing findings of other people who actually did the research and proposed the conclusions?  PLEASE."

 

It's done all of the time. A quirky way that knowledge progresses. Some people make discoveries and others tie everything together. took the work of Faraday and others and summarized it in a set of equations which is accepted as the basis of all modern theories of electromagnetic phenomena."

 

And to let u know, I "liked" your post. I think all discussion is good. 

[geo12the]

geo12the wrote:

 

"Time will tell.  But  "MY MOST IMPORTANT FINDING!"??? When discussing findings of other people who actually did the research and proposed the conclusions?  PLEASE."

 

It's done all of the time. A quirky way that knowledge progresses. Some people make discoveries and others tie everything together. took the work of Faraday and others and summarized it in a set of equations which is accepted as the basis of all modern theories of electromagnetic phenomena."

 

What he claims is his "discovery" they proposed in the paper. It's not his discovery. He is self-aggrandizing and exaggerating the science.  

[Advocatus Diaboli]

I need to wait until the edit period is complete before commenting on people's posts, lol.

 

Sometimes what we quote is gone/modified and readers may be wondering WTF is he talking about. lol

 

Anyway, I wonder how Hebbeh's daughter is doing. It's been a few weeks since her COVID-19 diagnosis.

[Galaxyshock]

Panax Ginseng has been noted to increase the antibody response to vaccinations when taken prior. But is it wise to take it before COVID vaccine? I currently take 200mg of 8 % ginsenosides extract 2-4 tablets a day and I'm planning to get the third dose of Pfizer vaccine.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi....ih.gov/8879982/

[Galaxyshock]

Panax Ginseng has been noted to increase the antibody response to vaccinations when taken prior. But is it wise to take it before COVID vaccine? I currently take 200mg of 8 % ginsenosides extract 2-4 tablets a day and I'm planning to get the third dose of Pfizer vaccine.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi....ih.gov/8879982/

 

I got the third vaccine dose yesterday and decided not to take Ginseng that morning or the following few days because I was unsure if it may increase the risk of side effects. I don't really know anything about vaccinology.

[syr_]

I got 3 pfizer doses. After the second one I had fever and muscle pains for 36h. I decided to skip my 1mg melatonin on the night after the booster shot and the only effect was to delay the fever by 3h.

Anyway, not going to get a 4th dose if and when they will get ready for it. At my age (45) I don't feel the need.

[adamh]

Do not take any covid shots. I will not call it a vaccine because it isn't one. Its an experiment they threw together, did not do sufficient testing and what testing they did showed it was dangerous

 

I know those who took it don't want to hear this but its not only worthless but very harmful. The search engines are set to cover up the info but if you are not easily deterred you can find the facts. Try to find a chart of excess deaths in your country for recent years if they haven't hidden all that info. A 10% surge above normal 'expected' deaths is huge and that is what we are seeing in many areas. The life insurance companies are going to go out of business because deaths are surging due to the shot. Do your own due diligence and do not take the booster. Quit the job if its required, money can not bring back health once its lost