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Will you take a MonkeyPox Vaccine

  1. Yes, I trust all vaccines (1 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  2. Yes, but only if I have to for work or other socializing (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Yes, but only if forced to (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. No, I distrust all vaccines (5 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  5. No, recent events have made me mistrust vaccines (5 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  6. No, there is an agenda behind even proposing this kind of thing (3 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  7. I am aware of other treatments. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. I will wait and see (5 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  9. Monkeypox isn't real and is a reaction to the current vaccines (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. I have another theory (1 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  11. Choose not to answer at this time (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 zorba990

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Posted 22 May 2022 - 06:44 PM


Monkeypox is currently being reported (hyped up?).

Here are two easily found Retuers articles and one from a "planning" session.

 

Will you comply with a Monkeypox Vaccine?

 

 

LONDON, May 21 (Reuters) - The World Health Organization said it expects to identify more cases of monkeypox as it expands surveillance in countries where the disease is not typically found.

As of Saturday, 92 confirmed cases and 28 suspected cases of monkeypox have been reported from 12 member states that are not endemic for the virus, the U.N. agency said, adding it will provide further guidance and recommendations in coming days for countries on how to mitigate the spread of monkeypox.

 

 

LONDON, May 19 (Reuters) - A handful of cases of monkeypox have now been reported or are suspected in Britain, Portugal, Spain and the United States.

The outbreaks are raising alarm because the viral disease, which spreads through close contact and was first found in monkeys, mostly occurs in west and central Africa, and only very occasionally spreads elsewhere.

Here is what scientists know so far.

'HIGHLY UNUSUAL'

Monkeypox is a virus that causes fever symptoms as well as a distinctive bumpy rash. It is usually mild, although there are two main strains: the Congo strain, which is more severe – with up to 10% mortality – and the West African strain, which has a fatality rate in about 1% of cases. The UK cases have been reported as the West African strain.

 

https://www.nti.org/...O-TTX_Final.pdf

Strengthening Global Systems 

to Prevent and Respond to 

High-Consequence Biological Threats 

Results from the 2021 Tabletop Exercise Conducted in Partnership with the Munich Security Conference 

SUMMARY 

In March 2021, NTI partnered with the Munich Security Conference to conduct a tabletop exercise on reducing high-consequence biological threats. The exercise examined gaps in national and international biosecurity and pandemic preparedness architectures—exploring opportunities to improve prevention and response capabilities for high-consequence biological events. This report summarizes the exercise scenario, key findings from
the discussion, and actionable recommendations for the international community. 

 

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Posted 22 May 2022 - 08:15 PM

It is not very transmissible, unless you are in close contact with a symptomatic victim and exposed to there bodily fluids. So unless you are caring for someone who has it, you won't need it.


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#3 joesixpack

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Posted 22 May 2022 - 08:20 PM

Maybe this is why the authorities are looking at a vaccine.

 

https://thenationalp...keypox-strains/



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 05:01 AM

This monkeypox story reminds me of how Western authorities blithely dismissed any risk to the West at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, even when COVID was ranging in China. Western authorities said there was no risk to us here in the West. And so they did very little to prepare for the onslaught of mayhem that later hit us just months later.

 

Now the authorities are dismissing monkeypox is a major issue. Yet every fews days, the number of monkeypox cases doubles. That is otherwise known as exponential growth. If this growth continues to be exponential, monkeypox may well turn out to be a big problem.


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Posted 24 May 2022 - 04:54 PM

Unless I am mistaken most of us older folks here have been vaccinated against smallpox as children (back then we didn't have the anti-vax hysteria of today). The smallpox vaccine protects against monkey pox. I don't think it will be an issue, they pointed out on TWIV that every decade or so there is an outbreak and that they peter out because it is not very transmissible
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#6 Daniel Cooper

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 08:16 PM

This monkeypox story reminds me of how Western authorities blithely dismissed any risk to the West at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, even when COVID was ranging in China. Western authorities said there was no risk to us here in the West. And so they did very little to prepare for the onslaught of mayhem that later hit us just months later.

 

Now the authorities are dismissing monkeypox is a major issue. Yet every fews days, the number of monkeypox cases doubles. That is otherwise known as exponential growth. If this growth continues to be exponential, monkeypox may well turn out to be a big problem.

 

Smallpox vaccine, which the world has a long history with is 85% effective against monkeypox. The US at least has enough smallpox vaccine for every man, woman, and child. Other western nations also have preexisting stockpiles of smallpox vaccine in case it is ever used as a bioweapon.  It is one dose and lasts for years.

 

Monkeypox like smallpox is a DNA virus (as opposed to an RNA virus like covid). It mutates slowly. Much more slowly than covid.

 

The common thread for this monkeypox outbreak seems to have been a couple of large gay oriented events in Europe and at least one bathhouse. It appears to require close contact to spread, in most of these cases apparently sexual contact.

 

There was an outbreak of monkeypox in 2003, but since this mostly predated the massive influence of the internet and social media, it largely went unnoticed.

 

So yeah, of the things I worry about in this world, monkeypox is pretty low on the list.

 

I see a weird dynamic in the reporting of monkeypox. It's almost like some people are so used to the covid pandemic and fear it might be winding down that they seem almost hopeful this will be another major pandemic. I suppose all the ritual of covid (lockdowns, masking, hand sanitizing, etc.) seemed to give them some sense of purpose and they seem reluctant to give that up.


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#7 Daniel Cooper

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 08:29 PM

Unless I am mistaken most of us older folks here have been vaccinated against smallpox as children (back then we didn't have the anti-vax hysteria of today). The smallpox vaccine protects against monkey pox. I don't think it will be an issue, they pointed out on TWIV that every decade or so there is an outbreak and that they peter out because it is not very transmissible

 

In the US the last smallpox vaccinations were in 1972. Most other western nations had similar cutoff dates. I got mine in '71. So these are quite old vaccinations and the immunity would be significantly waned by now. They might give you a bit of a leg up on staying out of the hospital, but it would probably be pretty small by now.

 

But fortunately there's a lot of smallpox vaccine sitting in cold storage in a lot of western nations due to the fear it would ever be used as a bioweapon. Almost all the pox viruses are cross reactive (which is why cowpox worked so well as a smallpox vaccine), so smallpox vaccine is about 85% effective against monkeypox. But I don't think it will ever come to widespread vaccinations. It seems it's just too hard to spread as you said. We might see a situation where this essentially becomes a sexually transmitted disease in humans and you might therefore see vaccinations in particularly vulnerable populations.


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#8 Daniel Cooper

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 08:38 PM

This monkeypox story reminds me of how Western authorities blithely dismissed any risk to the West at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, even when COVID was ranging in China. Western authorities said there was no risk to us here in the West. And so they did very little to prepare for the onslaught of mayhem that later hit us just months later.

 

BTW - about that Western authorities blithely dismissing covid.

 

In the US in February 2020 , Dr. Fauci was giving interviews telling reporters that "No one in the US should worry about covid". Meanwhile, the FDA somewhat quietly announced that it was fast tracking a couple of covid vaccines.

 

Now, anyone that pays attention to the FDA knows they "fast track" almost nothing. And normally to the FDA, fast tracking means that the normal 10 year approval process might be cut to 5. So clearly they were talking out of both sides of their mouth. From the emails that were going back and forth between Fauci and Collins, we know they were quite concerned about covid from the get go. They seemed to have been afraid of where it might go, but crossing their fingers hoping to dodge the bullet (probably because they were also talking about it looking man made and the implications of that to the Wuhan Institute of Virology which they had an involvement with).

 

So the "blithe dismissal" seems to have been largely for public consumption. You know, to keep the "rubes" from panicking. 


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Posted 24 May 2022 - 08:55 PM

Smallpox vaccine, which the world has a long history with is 85% effective against monkeypox. The US at least has enough smallpox vaccine for every man, woman, and child. Other western nations also have preexisting stockpiles of smallpox vaccine in case it is ever used as a bioweapon.  It is one dose and lasts for years.

 

Monkeypox like smallpox is a DNA virus (as opposed to an RNA virus like covid). It mutates slowly. Much more slowly than covid.

 

The common thread for this monkeypox outbreak seems to have been a couple of large gay oriented events in Europe and at least one bathhouse. It appears to require close contact to spread, in most of these cases apparently sexual contact.

 

There was an outbreak of monkeypox in 2003, but since this mostly predated the massive influence of the internet and social media, it largely went unnoticed.

 

So yeah, of the things I worry about in this world, monkeypox is pretty low on the list.

 

I see a weird dynamic in the reporting of monkeypox. It's almost like some people are so used to the covid pandemic and fear it might be winding down that they seem almost hopeful this will be another major pandemic. I suppose all the ritual of covid (lockdowns, masking, hand sanitizing, etc.) seemed to give them some sense of purpose and they seem reluctant to give that up.

 

Yes, i believe the UK holds a smallpox vaccine stockpile also, but I am not sure about how many doses. And not all countries have such stockpiles.

 

 

Yes, monkeypox is a DNA virus, so unlikely that a mutation in the virus has made it more transmissible and caused this outbreak. But I wonder whether the long term immune dysregulation COVID is known to cause for at least 6 months after acute infection might being making people more susceptible to other viruses?

 

Last month we had the outbreak of adenovirus 41 infection liver failures in children; adenovirus 41 is a virus which normally does not cause such issues. This suggests these children might have been immune weakened. And now this month we have a monkeypox outbreak. See the pattern there?

 

Looking at the 2003 monkeypox outbreak in the US, which involved 47 people, it seems that this was caused by a shipment of 800 animals from Ghana, imported to Texas. All people infected with monkeypox in 2003 became ill after having contact with infected animals.

 

By contrast, in this current outbreak, the monkeypox virus is spreading by human to human transmission, which I don't think has ever been observed before with monkeypox in the West.

 

Could some immune weakening due to COVID be responsible for facilitating this human to human transmission?

 

 

I don't find monkeypox worrying, I find it interesting.


Edited by Hip, 24 May 2022 - 08:56 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2022 - 09:05 PM

 

Last month we had the outbreak of adenovirus 41 infection liver failures in children; adenovirus 41 is a virus which normally does not cause such issues. This suggests these children might have been immune weakened. And now this month we have a monkeypox outbreak. See the pattern there?

 

 

It is also being speculated that the transition to at home schooling during the pandemic prevented a lot of kids from catching these adenoviruses at the normal earlier stage of life and that this virus may have more significant consequences if first caught later rather than earlier. Similar to the way mumps can have more significant implications if caught as an adult rather than in childhood. So you might likely be looking at an unintended consequence of lockdowns as you are at weakened immune systems due to covid.


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Posted 24 May 2022 - 09:06 PM

So the "blithe dismissal" seems to have been largely for public consumption. You know, to keep the "rubes" from panicking. 

 

You may be right, but given the few months advanced warning of the pandemic we had in the West, as we observed the total viral meltdown in China, we did not do anything in terms of opening factory production lines to create more FFP2 / N95 respirator masks, or to make more personal protective equipment, or to make ventilators.

 

By contrast, the highly effective Taiwanese pandemic advanced warning unit had already kicked into action even before the early Chinese COVID epidemic was in full swing: Taiwan realized a pandemic might be coming when that Chinese doctor (the one the Chinese authorities silenced) started making comments about a new virus he was observing which was killing people. 

 

As soon as the Taiwan heard that message from the doctor, they activated their pandemic response protocols. And this involved setting up multiple new factory production lines to make masks, so that everyone in the country had one.



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Posted 24 May 2022 - 09:14 PM

 

By contrast, in this current outbreak, the monkeypox virus is spreading by human to human transmission, which I don't think has ever been observed before with monkeypox in the West.

 

 

Yeah, but if you told me prior to this that someone that caught monkeypox (more likely from a rodent than a monkey in spite of the name) then had sex with someone else while infected and that they also caught monkeypox I'd say "yeah, so what". That would not necessarily worry me that that the virus had mutated into a more transmissible form. If you inject your body fluids into another person, they are liable to catch any number of low transmissible viruses that way. 

 

I think there are reports of some people catching this virus that claimed to not have had sexual contact with someone known to be infected, but as Dr. House says - "everybody lies". We'll just have to wait and see how that develops.


Edited by Daniel Cooper, 25 May 2022 - 02:07 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2022 - 09:16 PM

By contrast, the highly effective Taiwanese pandemic advanced warning unit had already kicked into action even before the early Chinese COVID epidemic was in full swing: Taiwan realized a pandemic might be coming when that Chinese doctor (the one the Chinese authorities silenced) started making comments about a new virus he was observing which was killing people. 

 

As soon as the Taiwan heard that message from the doctor, they activated their pandemic response protocols. And this involved setting up multiple new factory production lines to make masks, so that everyone in the country had one.

 

They also instituted a damned near complete closing of their borders very early in the pandemic (as did Japan and South Korea). Something that was discussed and rejected in almost every other Western country. Not just rejected, but labeled as "racist and xenophobic".

 

Many Western countries did go on later to close their borders significantly, but that's way more effective in the early stages rather than the latter.


Edited by Daniel Cooper, 24 May 2022 - 09:46 PM.

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Posted 25 May 2022 - 02:59 PM

I just realized that I forgot to answer the question of this topic.

 

In the very unlikely event that monkeypox became a significant health concern, sure I'd take a vaccine. Most likely it will be the vaccine that I received 51 years ago and I seem to have survived that.

 

I didn't like the available answers in the poll since I didn't see my answer amongst them. No, I don't trust all vaccines without question. I think being compelled to take a vaccine to work or interact in public is a pretty lousy idea, and I think forcing people against their will to take a vaccine is even worse.

 

My answer would be "Yes, if I thought the situation warranted it".

 

I also think it is highly unlikely that the situation will warrant it.

 

 


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Posted 25 May 2022 - 08:03 PM

An interesting read from Wuhan’s publications
https://www.scienced...995820X22000414

“ Keywords
Monkeypox virusTransformation-associated recombination (TAR)TAR assembly”
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Posted 24 June 2022 - 03:09 AM

https://www.cbsnews....-york-city-cdc/
“ New York City announced Thursday it had become the first jurisdiction in the country to roll out monkeypox vaccinations to a wider group of people at risk of the illness. The city is offering shots to any "gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men" who are 18 or over and have had "multiple or anonymous sex partners in the last 14 days."

That mirrors decisions from health authorities abroad, including in the United Kingdom and Canada, which have also broadened monkeypox vaccinations. While most of the cases identified in the recent global outbreak have been in men who have sex with men, authorities caution that anyone can catch the disease through close physical contact with an infected person. At least five women are among the U.S. cases ”

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Posted 24 June 2022 - 04:49 AM

https://www.cbsnews....-york-city-cdc/
“ New York City announced Thursday it had become the first jurisdiction in the country to roll out monkeypox vaccinations to a wider group of people at risk of the illness. The city is offering shots to any "gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men" who are 18 or over and have had "multiple or anonymous sex partners in the last 14 days."

That mirrors decisions from health authorities abroad, including in the United Kingdom and Canada, which have also broadened monkeypox vaccinations. While most of the cases identified in the recent global outbreak have been in men who have sex with men, authorities caution that anyone can catch the disease through close physical contact with an infected person. At least five women are among the U.S. cases ”

 

Yeah, it looks like Monkey Pox may be morphing into an STD in the gay community.

 

This is not good.  You don't want a zoonotic virus having too many human hosts to incubate in.  The more it reproduces in humans, the more opportunity for the virus to make a change so that it becomes more transmissible. It's probably not *that* transmissible right now. It seems to require very intimate contact. Probably an exchange of body fluids. But, the more human hosts it incubates in, the more selective pressure it will experience that might result in a chance mutation significantly increasing the transmissibility. There is also the opportunity for the virus to reshuffle genes when it finds itself in a host infected with another human virus, which might allow it to acquire genetic material that will make it more successful in humans.

 

Which brings up an interesting question - For covid we required the closing of businesses, banning of indoor gatherings, the wearing of masks, and the taking of vaccines by the general public to help prevent the spread of covid. 

 

Would there be any steps that would be valid to ask or require the gay community to do to help squash the spread of Monkey Pox?

 

I would certainly be in favor of offering them access to small pox vaccine as is occurring in some areas. But should they be required to take it in order to maintain employment, have access to certain public gatherings, attend school, etc?

 

Did we not just set such a precedent in the last two years?  



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Posted 08 July 2022 - 10:24 PM

MoneyPox Meter:
https://www.monkeypoxmeter.com

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Posted 13 May 2023 - 01:12 PM

Monkeypox was never a public health emergency. The WHO just recently declared this dangerous world-wide emergency over. The WHO is a joke. We need more competent leaders.


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Posted 15 May 2023 - 02:38 PM

Monkeypox always felt like those that in a perverse way enjoyed the covid pandemic - either because they derived political power from it or they liked the ritual of lockdowns, masking, hand sanitizing, or maybe it was the ability to virtue signal (I'm vaxed, I wear a mask, I don't go out in public - i.e. I'm a good person) etc. etc - were grasping at straws to find another pandemic to replace covid which everyone could tell was on the wane.

 

Of course, Monkeypox was never going to be a major pandemic and might at best have been an STD endemic to specific communities, and some of us called it as such.

 

One day, if there are still scientists out there with the courage to tell unpopular truths there will be a fascinating research paper to be written about the psychology of the covid-19 pandemic. It might be unkind to some extent to both sides of the debate - but the salient fact is that only one of those sides was calling the shots when it came to the response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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