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[jaydfox]

Each time a rocket is fired by Hezbollah its point of origin can be immediately detected based on the network of military satellites that Israel has access to. It is a simple matter to deploy a guided weapon within seconds to that point of origin.

It sounds simple enough, in theory. Were it really that simple, I don't see why this wouldn't already be done.

Don't get me wrong: better security measures of course should be pursued, when pragmatic.

[DJS]

This is your neighborhood doesn't take you long to get home.

You eight hours? Me too. Russia’s a big country and you’re a big country. Takes him eight hours to fly home.

Yo, Blair

See the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this s--- and it's over.

Sweet baby jesus. I'm not one to believe in miracles, but how is it that we haven't blown ourselves up yet?

[DJS]

scott

Getting rid of the UN is not a solution, merely getting rid of a useless tool--no not useless, expensive and counterproductive.

The UN is useless because we (the US) make it useless. Personally, I have no hope for the institution. It was dead and buried when we went into bagdad (really, even much earlier than that).

btw, my comment had nothing to do with the UN. I deleted it because, at the last second, I decided it wasn't worth getting dragged into this futile discussion...although I must admit I am very tempted.

[RighteousReason]

As Michael Savage said ...

Answer this question honestly and you can understand ...

Suppose you are stripped of identification and passport, and dropped into one of two cities. Where would you rather be dropped off- into southern Lebanon in the heart of Hezbollah, or into Tel Aviv or Jerusalem or someplace in the heart of Israel?

[RighteousReason]

The UN is useless because we (the US) make it useless.

Are you kidding? The UN is useless because the Chinese and others hate to let the United States make any progress whatsoever.

[RighteousReason]

I'll suggest a reason: to instill widespread fear and panic in the general civilian population

Haha this raises an interesting question...

What do you call someone who terrorizes terrorists? We already have a term for that, I think, "The Good Guys", as in, "The Good Guys Versus the Bad Guys".

I don't think they are terrorizing the civilian population. That's not their intention, and the only civilians being killed are the ones that happen to be "just chillin" right next to a Hezbollah controlled building or something. You think they would get the **** away if they were civilians rather than actually Hezbollites themselves. But I don't know, for sure.

[DJS]

Every civilization has its primitives that it has to deal with.

For the Arab world it is radical islam.

For the United States it is the South.

(See, we all have our biases [lol] )

[Live Forever]

I object to your overgeneralization of the south, Don.

(yes, I understand that was the point )

[RighteousReason]

What do you call prevention of ships being able to access ports so that civilians can evacuate?

False...

[Live Forever]

I feel sorry for Israel. They are really in a no win situation.

If they keep bombing, they risk a wider war, alienating the rest of the world, destabalizing Lebanon's fragile government, etc.

If they stop bombing, they risk more bombing attacks, further aggressions by Arabs (because they would know they could now "get away with it"), being seen as weak on terror groups by their citizens, etc.

A tough situation...

[RighteousReason]

You guys really need to listen to Michael Savage. I know the majority of people here at ImmInst would reject it out of hand because of his conservative ideology, but it's definitely worth listening to. From a logical standpoint, he rarely crosses the line in his justifications based on false religious beliefs (although he is devoutly Christian- which I reject as false just like any other "magic" of "God" meme).

This guy is extremely brilliant... and really offers an astounding perspective, despite some subtle inconsistencies (less completely wrong than any other political voice I have heard... haha).

[RighteousReason]

They are really in a no win situation.

I don't think so. Not with the league of Arab nations (like Suadi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc) denouncing Hezbollah and the UN doing nothing (as always). Israel basically has the go-ahead from everybody in the world except the liberals and their rediculously huge following among thebian socialist morons in the US and Europe (fortunately not enough to do irrepareable damage to Israel... so far).

Even Hillary Clinton and other Democrats are backing Israel!

[Karomesis]

I am wondering what the 3 Isrealis who post on this forum think of the link I gave earlier, here it is again http://www.samsonblinded.org/

Civilian infrastructure continues to be targeted without necessarily compromising Hezbollah capability. There are now one million people without access to utilities and major forms of transportation. Shortly there will be a humanitarian crisis.

perhaps there is merit to your argument Prometheus.

any of the people from israel care to comment on that? does the population of lebanon support these terrorist nutjobs?

if so, then please refer back to my link to see how it should be solved.

[Live Forever]

I don't think so. Not with the league of Arab nations (like Suadi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc) denouncing Hezbollah and the UN doing nothing (as always). Israel basically has the go-ahead from everybody in the world except the liberals and their rediculously huge following among thebian socialist morons in the US and Europe (fortunately not enough to do irrepareable damage to Israel... so far).

Even Hillary Clinton and other Democrats are backing Israel!

But they could still destabalize Lebanon, which they spent so many years trying to get a democratic, at least partially pro-Israel government into, and that would be absolutely terrible for them. Also, dragging Syria and/or Iran into the conflict would be terrible. I would say that I would back Israel too, but it just seems they are going to have a lot of problems no matter what their strategy is.

[JonesGuy]

What they need, again, are UN peacekeepers. The problem with Israeli police forces is that they're legitimate targets for the Hizbollah. But the UN peacekeepers would not be legitimate targets, but illegitimate ones. If the Hezbollah attacks peacekeepers, they lose the moral high-ground.

And that's something strongly needed in this conflict.

[Infernity]

Iran leader asks Germany for help on Zionism

German government official says a letter written by Iranian President Ahmadinejad to German Chancellor Merkel asks her to help solve Palestinian problem, deal with Zionism. Official says letter ‘rather weird’


A German government official said on Thursday that letter written by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to German Chancellor Angela Merkel asks her to help solve the Palestinian problem and deal with Zionism.


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-Infernity

[RighteousReason]

Berlin's relations with Ahmadinejad have been complicated by his denial of the Holocaust, in which Germany's Nazi regime killed six million Jews, and his call for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany punishable with up to five years in prison

Merkel compared Ahmadinejad's statements and stance to Adolf Hitler's rise to power when he and his Nazi party began threatening to exterminate European Jewry.

[RighteousReason]

Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel eerily reminds me of the Nazi's launching rockets into London every time I hear about it.

[Infernity]

I'm telling you, "and soon the world will cease...."

-Infernity

[Live Forever]

The US House of Representatives voted today 410-8 to support Israel and denounce its enemies.

[DJS]

You can't get elected in the US if you aren't a strong supporter of Israel.

[DJS]

You guys really need to listen to Michael Savage. I know the majority of people here at ImmInst would reject it out of hand because of his conservative ideology, but it's definitely worth listening to. From a logical standpoint, he rarely crosses the line in his justifications based on false religious beliefs (although he is devoutly Christian- which I reject as false just like any other "magic" of "God" meme).

This guy is extremely brilliant... and really offers an astounding perspective, despite some subtle inconsistencies (less completely wrong than any other political voice I have heard... haha).

...completely brainwashed...

[jaydfox]

Well I wouldn't say completely brainwashed... Superficially, and perhaps not so depending on your value system, he makes some good points. You know, intermixed between all the rhetoric of saying that liberalism is a brain disease, etc...

[jaydfox]

BTW, I haven't listened to Savage since about 2002. The first time I listened to him was on 9/11/2001. I was driving home, still reeling from the day, and I started scanning AM radio for some info. Given the mental state I was in (Christian and conservative leaning to begin with, and still reeling from the attacks of the day, the towers collapsing, etc.), I was instantly hooked.

I listened religiously (no pun intended) for a few months, then weaned myself after another few months.

[RighteousReason]

Don I don't know why you insist that I am brainwashed.

I think Michael Savage's ideology, and some of the consequences of that ideology in his belief system, are completely invalid. Some of his rhetoric is extraordinarily good though.