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#1 medievil

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:13 PM


hey, i registered a while ago but havent posted much yet

well, i've got add (yes this board is flooded with them lol) and i use ritalin with great succes
if i dont take ritalin is just suck in sports! my coordination or reaction time is so bad i let all balls pass when i'm in a goal when playing football! it sucks

but when i've taken ritalin it all got better, my best friend who played football/soccer his whole life said "standing in a goal" was my thing (dont know english word srry)

there are a few issues tough, i dont take more then 3x10mg ritalin, its just enough to get me trough school, and when i go sport it would be after school or in the weekends (dont take ritalin in weekend for tolerance!)

so my question is, what nootropics are proven (or did you notice) are effective in increasing coordination and reaction time?


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#2 garethnelsonuk

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:33 PM

A good starting point may be to look at the list of banned substances the anti-doping regulations use. Seriously, such substances are banned either due to the health risks or due to giving an unfair advantage. Next, ensure that it's safe and do all the normal research.

Or, copy what I use for my driving lessons (i've been having driving lessons lately and drive pretty much perfectly when my reactions are up to speed, I failed one test due to this):

One hour before:
Protein rich milkshake
1000mg fish oil
1600mg piracetam
650mg choline bitarate
Can of red bull
200mg modafinil

Just before leaving:
Another red bull
small B complex (a brewers yeast could probably be improvised here)
A capsule of korean ginseng (don't recall the dose)
60mg Ginkgo biloba
30mg CoQ10
Few spoonfulls of glucose (pure dextrose powder) or a very quick to eat snack (chocolate bar or something).

When I take the above stack and get in plenty of sleep the night before I always do perfectly. Lack of sleep + the above stack makes me safer, but still with stupid mistakes (hence I no longer go on the lessons if I have not had enough sleep, as this is no better than drink-driving).

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#3 xanadu

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:45 PM

Piracetam with a choline source is my recommendation. It helps with reaction time and coordination. Resveratrol has been shown to improve endurance and general health. Don't forget to eat a good diet and take vitamins.

#4 medievil

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:50 PM

i know about my diet, i wonna start bodybuilding in the future, i'm working on my diet right now :)
resveratrol sounds good, i'l look into it

i gues piracetam and choline will be my first nootropics, thx guys

any other suggestions are welcome!!

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 03:15 AM

creatine is said to be the best legal ergogenic drug available.

#6 medievil

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 10:30 AM

creatine is said to be the best legal ergogenic drug available.

heared good things about it, gonna be part of one of my sups for sure [thumb]

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Posted 23 January 2007 - 12:21 PM

creatine + pregnenolone

#8 juanjo_asdf

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 12:43 PM

You guys forgot about alcar!!! 1-2g is great for reflexes.

I might add that the stack would depend on the sport your playing.

Mountain climbing for example would have quite a different stack than soccer.

#9 medievil

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 02:49 PM

You guys forgot about alcar!!! 1-2g is great for reflexes.

I might add that the stack would depend on the sport your playing.

Mountain climbing for example would have quite a different stack than soccer.

hmm so alcar, piracetam, choline and creatine as a good stack to start?

still havent ordered anything, need to find someone with a credit card that will do it for me...

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 04:56 PM

You can add caffeine to the list.

#11 matter_of_time

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 09:47 PM

st johns wort, raises dopamine and gh...

works very good when you take it one hour before the gym.

#12 garethnelsonuk

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 09:56 PM

Does it actually have much of a dramatic effect in such a short time period?

In my experience it takes several hours to kick in.

#13 matter_of_time

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 08:58 PM

Does it actually have much of a dramatic effect in such a short time period?

In my experience it takes several hours to kick in.


Normally I take it around 14.00 hours and I go at 20.00 Hours to the gym, so I guess you could be right.

Creatine and SJW are the only supps which improved really my performance.

Other supps are slithly noticeable or just placebo in my opinion.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 10:50 PM

I came from sports nutrition first and then got into nootropics. So I probably know more about bodybuilding sups then I do about brain building supps. If you're looking specifically for reaction time and coordination then I highly recommend pyritinol! Its one of the only sups around here proven to improve reaction times and thinking speed significantly. Has a very noticeable effect for me. Also, for sports Phenylpiracetam is banned by the Olympic Committee because it has a proven ability to improve endurance. But its expensive and hard to find these days, unless you have a friend in russia (and if you do let me know!).

For general sports performance and muscle endurance don't even pay attention to this ALCAR or St. Johns wart crap (no offense) the single best sup you can take is a combo creatine/arginine sup. They're sold as pre-workout drinks. I used to take Universal Nutrition's Storm but I don't think they make it anymore. There's a product called NO-xplode that's very popular and has those supps plus caffeine and others. This would probably be your single best pre-sports supplement. Seriously, if you only get one get this one. It causes vasodilatation, substantially improving blood flow to your muscles (so much so that if you work out your muscles will swell and you can feel your skin stretching), and the creatine prevents lactic acid buildup. These sports nutrition supps are well proven and aren't like the placebo-effect guinea pig crap that we're often talking about around here. If you take No-xplode, or one of its top competitors, you will definitely, definitely notice a big difference.

A bit of fast digesting carbs before sports is also helpful, especially if its a long session. I like to take my creatine/arginine shake and add in Waxy Maize. This is the gold standard for fast digesting carbs and its dirt cheap. You can also use dextrose if you want, which is also quite cheap.

If you're just looking for ritalin-like stimulation then I'd suggest getting AMP, Venom, or one of the other sports stimulants. They're often sold as weight loss or "cutting" products but they're commonly used to get stoked for the gym (or whatever sport your playing) as well. AMP is particularly effective. You can also buy their most important ingredients (1,3 dimethylamylamine, caffeine, and cocoa extract generally) separately and then mix them into a drink yourself if you want, but be careful mixing stimulants since you can overstimulate yourself if you're not careful. In fact don't take either of these if you're going to take no-xplode or some other pre-workout drink since they already have caffeine in them.

If you're looking to improve your performance long term there's a whole host of other supps I could recommend as well. If you have any other questions let me know. I was really big into sports supps for years and years, and still am to some degree.

I generally find the cheapest prices on sports supps at bulknutrition.com

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:13 AM

Sorry, just realized this was an old thread. Matter_of_Time what in the world inspired you to finally answer their question 2 1/2 years later?! Half the people on this thread are probably dead by now from accidental nootropic overdose.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:47 AM

Sorry, just realized this was an old thread. Matter_of_Time what in the world inspired you to finally answer their question 2 1/2 years later?! Half the people on this thread are probably dead by now from accidental nootropic overdose.


I have been very bussy for 2 and half years.

Edited by matter_of_time, 13 October 2009 - 06:48 AM.


#17 hamishm00

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:55 AM

I've done reaction time tests with Piracetam + CDP Choline, and also separately with Modafinil.

Each works well, much better than coffee, Modafinil is the best.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 06:07 PM

Aniracetam really works for reaction time when i play hockey... i've improved alot on it (10x). Friends have noticed a dramatic improvement. My best performance was when i took "pay attention" from smart nutrition. i don't like pay attention though because it works too much... it feels like i'm on speed.

i only take ani 1 h before a game. For me this nootropic is only for sports. I'm curious to see if piracetam will help as well ?

As for creatine i used it a lot and it helps for bodybuilding but only for a while. After 1 month of use i became tolerant to it and i felt tired after taking it. When i stopped it i became energized again. There is a tricky part to creatine but if you want a boost to start your training and extra motivation you can use it for a few weeks... cycle it !

Edited by sunshinefrost, 13 October 2009 - 06:08 PM.


#19 matthias7

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:00 PM

For sports supplements using stims is commonplace which combine with AKK, White Flood Controlled Labs. Jack3D is very popular and potent.

Endurance supplements:
Citruline malate
creatine mono.... (one of the creatines can cause kidney damage in a few people - I forget which)
Cordyceps (Millenium Tech only one that works)
Beta alanine.

If you've got the above inside you, particularly if you load up on creatine you'll be able to run non-stop all game long.

Your general idea though is nuts.

#20 hamishm00

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:29 PM

Modafinil is the ultimate bad boy. Makes creatine look like baking powder.
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#21 LIB

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:33 PM

Modafinil is the ultimate bad boy. Makes creatine look like baking powder.


Agreed

#22 matter_of_time

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 09:31 PM

I don't agree.

Stims are not the way to go in sports, only for the short term. Your not gaining anything.

#23 Zoroaster

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 04:58 AM

Modafinil is the ultimate bad boy. Makes creatine look like baking powder.


I assume this is a joke. But just in case its not, creatine and modafinil obviously have drastically different purposes. Modafinil is just a stimulant. Creatine will make you physically capable of pushing your muscles harder, and running faster for a longer period of time. Taken over the long term it is proven to enhance muscle growth over working out alone. Modafinil may indeed be awesome, but this is apples and oranges.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 11:16 AM

You need to load up on creatin to understand its effects. You just get don't get fatigue whilst exercising. Its effects are crazy. The wrong sort can cause kidney problems and it also masks kidney problems - creatinin is the "SOS" signal of the kidneys.

Monofinil bad vs. Adderall???

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 12:08 PM

I feel like drugs and supplements make one weaker with exception of vitamins and other essential ones ofc. Ive noticed roundness is a sign of athleticism(shape not fat etc)


Edited by kurdishfella, 19 January 2022 - 12:15 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2022 - 08:45 AM

13 year bump! Haha

 

My 2c, 

  • Use a mild MOAI to keep your brain motor signals firing strong and increase motivation. I like hesperidin. 
  • Keep your glucose steady with sugar (usually with electrolytes), to stop your glycogen stores getting used, this prevents muscle cramps. 
  • Prevent mitochondrial fission during the exercise by having something with high stearic acid before exercise (on a race day) 
  • Take some strong plant based anti inflammatory and anti oxidants to increase muscle performance. I like amla and hesperidin (on a race day)
  • Sunscreen will reduce sun exposure fatigue 
  • Carrot cake after always hits the spot

 



#27 kurdishfella

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Posted 20 January 2022 - 11:23 AM

well you kind of have to bump there are very few good new ones being made 


Edited by kurdishfella, 20 January 2022 - 11:23 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2022 - 09:11 PM

repetition learning. With aging your athletism starts to drop again since birth BUT your knowledge increases. So to offset and improve abilitites is to just use your brain more. Thats why I think women could defeat men in anything if they took advantage of their brain instead of muscles because they are smarter and more powerful brain but dont realize it.

Edited by kurdishfella, 09 May 2022 - 09:13 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2022 - 09:20 AM

I have been eating a lot of weight gainers for fat and it helped me.

Also some sports combos are better suited for women's body and skills and other for men to create the best body.



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#30 medievil

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Posted 29 May 2022 - 12:31 PM

I Beleive that serotonin agonists like all the psychedelics can improve motor coordination I remember alpha methyl tryptamine to be a chemical that enhanced my motor coordination




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