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#271 Mouser

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:51 PM

Just started taking ~3/4 teaspoon a day, after a 4 month break. I'm trying to stop taking antihistamines (claritin, zertec) in hopes of getting better sleep. So, hoping XPC will help with allergies. Nothing yet. I have been trying to shake up the contained and inhale the dust as well... don't have much hope anything will happen.

I'm basically convinced the stuff is no different than brewers yeast. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if the animal version could exacerbate allergies in people sensitive to gluten. Any thoughts?

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 07:33 PM

Here's some unsubstantiated speculation on my part. If the mechanism of action is multiplying immune cells, then isn't there the chance that the average telomere length of the cells might become smaller? Apparently that's how AIDS wipes out the immune system. Anything to worry about here?

Stephen


Nope. A moderate increase in the rate of production of immune cells from this and other "boosting" supplements would not shorten telomeres to the extent caused by the massive immune-cell replication that occurs during the body's futile attempt to respond to HIV infection You are reading a little too much in-between the lines... telomere shortening is a side-effect of HIV virus infection, not a cause of the immune disfunction, which is directly caused by the virus killing cells.

Telomeres, Shmelomeres! They are not responsible for everything! Folks here sure are obsessed with the telomeres lately, it's sorta funny.

Pardon the aside, but:

HIV infects CD4-helper cells of the immune system, causing them to become factories for more HIV virons in massive numbers, which eventually exhausts the cell's resources and it dies, destroys its physical architecture/infrastructure via the hyperactive virus production it is induced to perform and it dies, or else the CD4 cell recognizes it has become infected and commits apoptosis, or it is recognized by other immune cells as infected and is killed by them.

Now possibly, in the case of the infected CD4 recognizing itself to be infected it commits apoptosis by triggering self-destruct sequence by slicing off all its own telomeres? [in which case artificial telomere-lengthening by resveratrol supplementation might be harmful and interfere with that process?]

Eventually all the CD4-T-helper cells are dying faster than the Thymus can manufacture more, their numbers dwindle lower and lower, which becomes too low to protect the entire body at about a count of 200/ml blood. The shorter telomeres seen in people with advanced HIV are due to the fact that the body is cranking out just immense numbers of generations of new CD4 cells, trying to keep their numbers up as they are destroyed by hummongous numbers of HIV virons (millions and millioons per ml.)

This is disastrous because of the unique and crucial scouting/reporting functions that they perform: a CD4-T-Helper cell recognizes alien DNA of isolated invading pathogenic organisms on their own, or via pathogen DNA being "expressed" by an infected cell [i.e., signaled - it sticks some of the invader's DNA through its outer cell wall in order to say "Hey! Look what icky gunk I got inside me! someone kill me please!"] , then consumes these, then isolates and conveys the DNA sequence of the invader to the Thymus gland, which then designs and instructions production of active cytotoxic hunter-killer cells (rather impressive and scary to observe in action... highly aggressive and violent amoeba-from-hell-like activity) which are programmed to seek and destroy anything showing the offending DNA patterns. An unbelievably sophisticated and intelligent system of many individually functioning specialized cells under direction of the Master Immunity Brain (Thymus) cooperating like a military team of spotters, informants and snipers.

Man, our bodies are such amazing pieces of sophisticated micro-bio-technology! Is there anything DNA cannot do?
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#273 rwac

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 01:16 AM

Just started taking ~3/4 teaspoon a day, after a 4 month break. I'm trying to stop taking antihistamines (claritin, zertec) in hopes of getting better sleep. So, hoping XPC will help with allergies. Nothing yet. I have been trying to shake up the contained and inhale the dust as well... don't have much hope anything will happen.

I'm basically convinced the stuff is no different than brewers yeast. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if the animal version could exacerbate allergies in people sensitive to gluten. Any thoughts?


I've been going gluten-free recently, decided to try some XPC again after quite a while, and it triggered a GI upset.

It didn't used to bother me before, it's probably the gluten.
Time to switch, I guess.

#274 Mouser

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 03:20 PM

I've been going gluten-free recently, decided to try some XPC again after quite a while, and it triggered a GI upset.

It didn't used to bother me before, it's probably the gluten.
Time to switch, I guess.



Interesting.

#275 themom

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 03:12 PM

We buy the product directly from the feed store. comes in a 50 pound bag and we put it into storable containers. Most family and friends I know are taking 1/4 tsp to 1 tsp daily. My dad puts it in capsules to swallow but I just take it with water. The cost is about a penny a day. I have just started taking it so cannot give good feedback yet but family is having some good results with energy and such. If any are interested I can share some of those experiences. Thanks.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 02:37 PM

We buy the product directly from the feed store. comes in a 50 pound bag and we put it into storable containers. Most family and friends I know are taking 1/4 tsp to 1 tsp daily. My dad puts it in capsules to swallow but I just take it with water. The cost is about a penny a day. I have just started taking it so cannot give good feedback yet but family is having some good results with energy and such. If any are interested I can share some of those experiences. Thanks.


This may be a late response, but please do share.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 11:21 PM

This was quite the hot supplement a few years ago. Does anyone still use it? Any updates?

#278 Ark

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:35 AM

I take some now and then during the winter, seems to boost my immune system.

*Just curious how long does it last, I've been using the same batch for almost 2 years now??

#279 Humanescence

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 06:10 AM

I think it last about 2 year in a dry environment and much longer if in the freezer.

I have been taking it everyday for ... ~18 month,

I don't get those vivid dream anymore, My hypothesys was that it would happen at various degree depending on how unbalanced the immune system was.

Edited by Humanescence, 27 December 2011 - 06:11 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2011 - 02:26 PM

i bought some it is currently in my refrigerator not been touch for a while.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:50 AM

Here's to reviving an old thread; I just found this paper on EpiCor


J Altern Complement Med. 2010 Feb;16(2):213-8. doi: 10.1089/acm.2009.0310.

Immunogenic yeast-based fermentate for cold/flu-like symptoms in nonvaccinated individuals.

Moyad MA, Robinson LE, Zawada ET, Kittelsrud J, Chen DG, Reeves SG, Weaver S.


Source

Department of Urology, University of Michigan Medical Center, Ann Arbor, MI, USA.


Abstract

BACKGROUND:

The common cold has a profound impact on employee attendance and productivity. Seasonal influenza is responsible for approximately 200,000 hospitalizations and 36,000 deaths per year in the United States alone. Over-the-counter medication efficacy has been questioned, and seasonal vaccination compliance issues abound. Our previously reported randomized trial of an oral fermentation product found an adjuvant benefit for vaccinated individuals in terms of a significantly reduced incidence and duration of cold and flu-like symptoms.

METHODS:

A concurrent 12-week, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial of 116 subjects with no recent history of seasonal influenza vaccination was conducted. Participants received once-daily supplementation with 500 mg of a dried modified Saccharomyces cerevisiae oral fermentate (EpiCor) or placebo. Clinical outcome measurements included periodic interval-based in-clinic examinations and serologic analysis at baseline, 6 weeks, and 12 weeks. Participants utilized a standardized self-report symptom diary.

RESULTS:

Subjects receiving the intervention experienced a statistically significant reduction in the incidence (p = 0.01), a nonsignificant reduction in duration (p = 0.10), and no impact on the severity (p = 0.90) of colds or flu-like symptoms, but a more favorable safety profile compared with subjects receiving placebo.

CONCLUSIONS:

This nutritional-based fermentate appeared to be safe and efficacious in a unique at-risk population and should receive more clinical research as a potential method to reduce the incidence of cold and flu-like symptoms, in individuals with and without a history of influenza vaccination.

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