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[KlueAbridge]

Anyone here interested in NLP at all?

--Shafik

[mattbrowne]

Shafik, do you mean

Natural Language Processing or Neuro-Linguistic Programming or Non-Linear Programming ?

I'm very much into computational linguistics, androids, and the Turing Test

[nihilist]

i have a bunch of books i obtained from torrents on neuro-linguistic programming. alot of them are so called seduction, but i read them because of how much you learn about people.

[KlueAbridge]

I meant Neuro-Linguistic Programming ... though I am interested in Non-Linear Programming as well.

Matt ... what's the Turing Test?

--Shafik

[Luna]

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Turing_test

he Turing test is a proposal for a test of a machine's capability to demonstrate intelligence. Described by Professor Alan Turing in the 1950 paper "Computing machinery and intelligence," it proceeds as follows: a human judge engages in a natural language conversation with two other parties, one a human and the other a machine; if the judge cannot reliably tell which is which, then the machine is said to pass the test. It is assumed that both the human and the machine try to appear human. In order to keep the test setting simple and universal (to explicitly test the linguistic capability of the machine instead of its ability to render words into audio), the conversation is usually limited to a text-only channel such as a teletype machine as Turing suggested or, more recently, IRC or instant messaging.

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Neuro-Linguistic Programming sounds interesting and still abit foggy.. but it's probably real.
Humans aren't that free-willed as they think.

[mattbrowne]

Thanks for posting the definition of the Turing Test.

There's the co-called Loebner Prize related to it:

http://en.wikipedia....i/Loebner_prize

he Loebner Prize is an annual competition that awards prizes to the Chatterbot considered by the judges to be the most humanlike of those entered. The format of the competition is that of a standard Turing test. In the Loebner Prize, as in a Turing test, a human judge is faced with two computer screens. One is under the control of a computer, the other is under the control of a human. The judge poses questions to the two screens and receives answers. Based upon the answers, the judge must decide which screen is controlled by the human and which is controlled by the computer program.

The contest was begun in 1990 by Dr. Hugh Loebner in conjunction with the Cambridge Center for Behavioral Studies of Massachusetts. It has since been associated with Flinders University, followed by Dartmouth College and the Science Museum in London, England.

The prizes for each year include:

* $2,000 for the most human-seeming of all chatterbots for that year - awarded every year. In 2005, the prize was increased to $3,000, and the prize was $2,250 in 2006.

* $25,000 for the first chatterbot that judges cannot distinguish from a real human in a text-only Turing test, and that can convince judges that the other (human) entity they are talking to simultaneously is a computer. (to be awarded once only)

* $100,000 to the first chatterbot that judges cannot distinguish from a real human in a Turing test that includes deciphering and understanding text, visual, and auditory input. (to be awarded once only)

The Loebner Prize dissolves once the $100,000 prize is won.

[Aegist]

Derren Brown. NLP king.

[MP11]

not sure if those videos would qualify as strictly nlp

[Luna]

I remember that Derren Brown doesn't believe NLP as it is represented but he does believe the brain notices stuff you don't really "know" you notice and that's why some of his tricks work.

But plenty of his tricks are easy old tricks most people know.

As opposing to popular belief, most of his trick or treat and other type of shows, were totally faked with actors.

[KlueAbridge]

Pretty cool still.

[Aegist]

As opposing to popular belief, most of his trick or treat and other type of shows, were totally faked with actors.

How do you know that?

[Live Forever]

As opposing to popular belief, most of his trick or treat and other type of shows, were totally faked with actors.

I don't think so. He always says at the top of the show that he doesn't use actors or anything. I can figure out how he can do a lot of his stuff without actors, and I am not a professional or anything. I seriously doubt he would risk the integrity of the show by using actors or anything; If it ever got out he would be finished.

[Luna]

He said it himself :X
And many times he indeed dosen't, but for example the 1 inch punch and scary hut were actors.

[Live Forever]

He said it himself :X
And many times he indeed dosen't, but for example the 1 inch punch and scary hut were actors.

Where did he say it? Link or video, or I don't believe it. Sorry, everything I have ever seen him saying, he denies actors or stooges of any kind are used.

[Cyberbrain]

He said it himself :X
And many times he indeed dosen't, but for example the 1 inch punch and scary hut were actors.

Where did he say it? Link or video, or I don't believe it. Sorry, everything I have ever seen him saying, he denies actors or stooges of any kind are used.

I doubt that, he's got to of used some actors in a couple of his shows.

[Live Forever]

He said it himself :X
And many times he indeed dosen't, but for example the 1 inch punch and scary hut were actors.

Where did he say it? Link or video, or I don't believe it. Sorry, everything I have ever seen him saying, he denies actors or stooges of any kind are used.

I doubt that, he's got to of used some actors in a couple of his shows.

Again, where did he say that he did? Just because you can't figure out a magic trick or something doesn't mean that an actor had to be used. I am not saying he doesn't, I am just saying until I see some proof, I am unconvinced. (especially since he states clearly at the beginning of the shows that actors are not used)

I am not unconvinceable, I assure you. I have seen some pretty convincing stuff on how Criss Angel uses actors (but he never states that he doesn't use actors) and fakes some of his illusions (which I can link to if anyone is interested) using camera tricks and things. However, Derren Brown does a different sort of thing, and states clearly that he does not use actors, so if he were to be lying about that (not the kind of "in illusion" lying that is permitted to misdirect someone, but a lie about the nature of the show) then his credibility would be called into serious question.

[Aegist]

He said it himself :X
And many times he indeed dosen't, but for example the 1 inch punch and scary hut were actors.

Maybe you are confused by the fact that there is 'an actor' in the Bike trick he does. Don't know his name, lets call him Sean of the Dead. He's and actor, but he isn't acting, he is just being the person he is doing the trick on.

As with LiveForever, I cannot imagine why he would risk his incredible reputation using actors when he clearly states that his tricks are tricks, and he does not use actors. All he needs is one of those actors to break his contract and tell one person that he was an actor for Derren Brown, and then doubt is cast upon all of Derrens tricks, and many of Derrens tricks are far more sophisticated than tricks which simply require someone to pretend to be tricked....

[Live Forever]

Maybe you are confused by the fact that there is 'an actor' in the Bike trick he does. Don't know his name, lets call him Sean of the Dead.  He's and actor, but he isn't acting, he is just being the person he is doing the trick on.

Oh yes, that is Simon Pegg. He was even better in Hot Fuzz.

But, yes, as Aegist says, that is just using someone famous on the show. The fact that he is an actor is incidental to the fact they were just getting someone famous to be on the show. There are no actors or stooges used to actually accomplish the mind tricks and illusions is what I was saying.

[robosapiens]

Derren Brown is first and foremost a magician; I wouldn’t consider his mentalist tricks an accurate representation of NLP or Hypnosis
As a practicing Hypnotherapist, I use some aspects of NLP quite successfully, but I don’t drink the cool aid as such.

[robosapiens]

double tap

Edited by robosapiens, 07 April 2012 - 08:16 PM.