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[aghonia]

EXCELLENT thread!
Could some moderator put in evidence the major posts over there?

[Atropy]

I wouldn't worry about using things like Ashwagandha and Taurine. Just don't stay on them for too long. Some are more sensitive than others. I've stayed on various gaba agonist herbs for long periods without withdrawals while others had some minor withdrawals.

Anything that's not sustainable long-term is not ideal,imo.There are reports on the net of people having withdrawal from Taurine.

[Metagene]

Another question nootropicpete1,you do realise that Taurine is considered a Gabba antagonist?Apparently this is not something to take long-term.Check out Scienceguy's comments on it http://www.longecity...ly-effectively/.

I was interested in trying it out but I am abit reluctant to do so after reading the study.

You meant Taurine is consider a GABA agonist.

[Andrey_81]

I've been on ashwagandha for year and a half. I used to take it 5 days on, 2 days off, but the last 6 months I take it without any braeak and it makes wonders to me. It still works, I don't need to raise my dosage to feel the effect and I can feel the benefits after only 5 minutes. This herb is fantastic. It totally removes my anxiety, fear, lack of confidence and turns me into confident and fearless person. I can finally feel great in front of many people and in my own body. I feel like I have invisible shield while on ashwagandha. Strange but true.. when I have this brain fog or fatigue it wakes me up and clears my mind. When I have problems with sleep it helps to relax and you can have deep sleep with vivid dreams. And I stick with low doses and I only take extract. This is the one I've been using for the past 1.5 year:

Ashwagandha

I used to buy the one directly from India but this one is from the same producer, less expencive and should be higher quality.
I nevere take more than 1000 mg of extract and my usual dose is 500 mg per day.

I also take some other adaptogen herbs. You can send me private message because I'm not surre if I can promote some products here.

[aghonia]

Question for Nootropicpete (OP) and other thread contributors:
you hinted heavy metal as a holistic cause for impairment. Can Zeolites be a good supplement for detox purposes?

[Atropy]

Another question nootropicpete1,you do realise that Taurine is considered a Gabba antagonist?Apparently this is not something to take long-term.Check out Scienceguy's comments on it http://www.longecity...ly-effectively/.

I was interested in trying it out but I am abit reluctant to do so after reading the study.

You meant Taurine is consider a GABA agonist.

That's what I said.

[Introspecta]

It is sustainable longterm. You just have to take a week break here and there. Honestly I stayed on Ashwagandha for quite a long time like 3-4 plus months and never had any issues when I ran out so I really doubt it does any significant downregulation. I'm very prone to anxiety too. There are very few reports of withdrawals but can't say there are none. People read Science guys scare about gaba agonists and become scared to take them not taking into account that these arn't drugs that are completely shutting down your gaba system leaving you screwed. They are very mild and as long as you don't overdue it you most likely won't have problems or else we would here about them more.

[Atropy]

It is sustainable longterm. You just have to take a week break here and there. Honestly I stayed on Ashwagandha for quite a long time like 3-4 plus months and never had any issues when I ran out so I really doubt it does any significant downregulation. I'm very prone to anxiety too. There are very few reports of withdrawals but can't say there are none. People read Science guys scare about gaba agonists and become scared to take them not taking into account that these arn't drugs that are completely shutting down your gaba system leaving you screwed. They are very mild and as long as you don't overdue it you most likely won't have problems or else we would here about them more.

Well said and nice thread.But I think Scienceguys posts are ,well Science,and I give em respect,not that you don't.

Anyways,what my question is ,is can what you recommended (Iodine,coconut oil,Taurine,along with the other stuff you mentioned under Thyroid-Adrenals) help with the root cause of Adrenal insufficiency and Thyroid issues?Alone or in conjunction with the other things.

I just don't think I can get any of those tests done right away,but I will be happy to know that what you have prescribed does not mask the problem but actually help the root of the problem.

[Galaxyshock]

Why are you guys asking questions in a 6 years old thread, from a person (OP, "nootropicpete1") that hasn't been active here in the past 4 years?
and who seemed to share a lot of pseudoscience without any references.

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[aghonia]

Perhaps he went through the consequences of its very own regime

[Atropy]

Another question nootropicpete1,you do realise that Taurine is considered a Gabba antagonist?Apparently this is not something to take long-term.Check out Scienceguy's comments on it http://www.longecity...ly-effectively/.

I was interested in trying it out but I am abit reluctant to do so after reading the study.

You meant Taurine is consider a GABA agonist.

That's what I said.

My apologies,you are correct sir :-).

[phala234]

Do people on this forum ever have anything substantial to verify what they say, or is it a free-for-all bro-science pit?

"yeah bro, eat organic vegetables, bath-salts," what a load of shit


This is coming from someone who helps run a health food store

[phala234]

Okay, I came off as a bit of an asshole, and it was my first post, so I want to apologize

While the OP made some EXCELLENT points in his original post, I find a lot of his ideas to be wishful guessing

Is there any scientific basis on organic foods being healthier than non-organic foods, or, non-organic foods being bad for you? Is there any scientific basis that these "herbal cleanses" do anything? I have looked, and I haven't found anything.

I have people coming into my store every-day asking for some BS product that they read about on the internet, or some BS theory, and I re-track them towards a different direction.

- Stop using microwaves - changes molecular structure of food and destroys all vitamins and minerals

A typical magnetron in a microwave emits electromagnetic waves with a frequency of 2450MHz. This frequency was chosen because it is one of the resonant frequencies of water molecules. Even this frequency is not enough to change molecular structure. Only ionizing radiation can do that and ionizing radiation only begins at the ultraviolet band of EM spectrum. Several Studies show that cooking in the microwave is actually better than other methods.

The fact is since microwaves heat food quicker they tend to be LESS destructive of enzymes and nutrients, not more.

Microwaves were extensively tested on animals, feeding them ONLY food which had been microwaved and there were NO ill effects found. This was an issue when Microwaves were first used for cooking (years before home units were available) and was throughly tested.

Now, they are in virtually every home and in zillions of convenience stores. I'd dare say a great many of us eat food heated in a microwave almost daily. However there are certainly a good number of us who eat mainly food heated by microwave and probably a similar number of people who almost never eat microwaved food. If there WERE harmful effects they would be manifesting themselves and it would quickly be obvious that certain health affects were related to amount of microwave oven use.

The following is from the Australian Information Service:

Microwave Cooking And Nutrition

The majority of reports published on the nutritive value of foods cooked in microwave ovens indicate that food prepared in this manner is at least as nutritious as comparable food cooked by conventional methods.

Most of these studies have concentrated on vitamin retention and indicate that cooking in minimal water for a reduced time, as occurs with microwaving, promotes the retention of the water- soluble vitamins particularly of vitamin C and thiamin. Microwave cooking is preferable to boiling to minimize the leaching of vitamins into the cooking water; in this regard it is similar to steaming.

Far less information is currently available on the effect of microwave cooking on other food components such as carbohydrates, lipids and fat-soluble vitamins.

For the same reasons given for vitamin C, microwave cooking enhances mineral retention in vegetables.

The quality of protein is higher in microwaved than in conventionally cooked food as far less oxidation occurs in meat cooked in a microwave. Lack of browning is visible evidence that heating is gentler, and makes it likely that vitamins A and E are better retained than in conventional cooking. However these differences are likely to be slight and of little nutritional significance.

Re-heating food quickly in a microwave retains more nutrients than holding food hot for long periods; this is significant in institutions and hospitals where food may be held hot for several hours in traditional catering systems.

The nutritional value of food does not depend only on the way in which it is cooked. Just as important are shopping wisely for quality products, correct temperature control during storage and preparation and serving food promptly after it is prepared. Leaching effects aside there seems to be little difference to the retention of nutrients between food cooked by microwaves or by conventional means, providing cooking time and temperature guidelines are carefully followed.

Microwaves And Food

Effect On Food

All food undergoes changes when heated; there is no solid evidence that microwaves cause any effect on food other than those due to rapid heating. Care should be taken to avoid overcooking.

Radiation And Food

Food cooked in a microwave oven does not present a radiation risk. Microwaves cease to exist as soon as the power to the magnetron of a microwave oven is switched off. They do not remain in the food and are incapable of making either it or the oven radioactive.

Chemical Changes In Foods

Consumer concern has been caused by media coverage of isolated reports which suggest that microwave heating produces chemical changes in foods with the formation of potentially toxic compounds. The most widely reported of these was a letter which appeared in the reputable journal The Lancet in 1989. This work was reviewed by an expert committee of the National Health and Medical Research Council which concluded that the results obtained in the experiment were not relevant to the way food is prepared and consumed. A second more recent report in a little known Swiss journal also appears to be irrelevant to domestic use of microwave ovens.

thank you

[phala234]

this looks like one very expensive regimen...

You don't have to do everything on the list. I don't even think it's all right. I wish he would have explained why he added all that he added.

But just start doing the cheap, easy things that make sense and move your way up. Simply changing to a healthier diet can make huge changes, albeit the changes may take two or three months to notice. In my opinion, the optimum diet is all meat. Yep, 100% meat. Ask if you want to know why. Once you have gained some health back, thanks to your diet, your sleep schedule will be much smoother, which will consequently help you more. Once your energy levels are high enough, you can begin exercising. It's all an uphill spiral if you stick to it. The longer you wait, the easier it becomes to stay healthy and happy.

Could you please elaborate on the all meat diet thing? It's an interesting perspective for me since I'm a strict vegetarian. Lately I have been phasing out eggs and dairy because my digestion is still, er, sluggish, which makes me feel like crap all the time. If I don't take magnesium every night I end up at the doctor's office. How can someone only eat meat and have normal (read: regular) digestion?

I agree with some of the things mentioned being helpful, but 6grams of DL-pheynlalanine seems REALLY excessive, no? Sometimes taking 500mg on an empty stomach will make my brain fog way worse. If I take more than that I feel uncomfortably spacey, like I'm physically stuck in a womb. Ha hah, that's a terrible description but it's hard to explain. It makes me feel over-stimulated and like I'm stuck in molasses at the same time. Then again, sometimes it helps me focus. The POINT is: start slow with this stuff.

The basic premise of all-meat is that we are humans. Humans are a product of evolution. Our diet for the past few million years has been mainly meat. Humans have never seen grains before agriculture began a few thousand years ago. We're built to survive on fat and protein. That's the reason it makes sense. The proof that it's true is plentiful. We've been lied to for many years about what a healthy diet consists of. Here's some links that go into much more detail:

http://paleodiet.com/ - Contains links to hundreds of websites that explain the idea, which they refer to as the paleolithic diet.
http://www.second-op...vegetarian.html - Explains why vegetarianism is wrong. Very important information.

Your meat should be high quality as well. Grass-fed meat is much healthier, since animals are not evolved to eat grains either.

As for DLPA, I'd take whatever works. It's not very dangerous, so it's ok to experiment with dosage, but if that's too high, don't do it. Again, I don't know where he came up with the dosages.

This is not the Paleo diet

A 100% meat diet is foolish, unhealthy, unbalanced, and will probably leave you constipated. The paleo diet does NOT tote "all meat," nor even "majorly meat"

The paleo diet is a common sense diet, fruits, meats, nuts, and vegetables. No grains, no dairy, no legumes, limited starches (which will be necessary for the avid athlete, ie) sweet-potatoes/potatoes)

Also, to add, the only real benefit of grass-fed meats to other meats, that can be backed up with evidence, is a better omega 3/6/9 ratio......

You could fix that with fish oil, flax oil, etc. Now, that is not to say that grass-fed beef COULDN'T have other benefits that haven't been looked into yet, but its important to note that everything else is theory.

[phala234]

Lets not hijack the topic over microwaves hehe. There are studies, but whether you want to call them serious is not something for this topic.

"Lets not talk about my flawed theories, as I know they are true, but can't refute the evidence against them"

Edited by phala234, 07 January 2014 - 02:32 AM.

[Perseus]

You have some good info, and some terrible info. Anti-vax? Wrong.