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#1 srmann

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Posted 28 September 2003 - 08:43 PM


Started Piracetam @ 1200mg today and after two hours I had to Take a nap. Is this normal when first starting? Will be starting Dep and Hydergine when it comes in. Thanks for any feedback. srmann [angry]

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 12:31 AM

It happened for me, too. For the first few days, I had this Matrix bullet-time efffect happening. Everything seemed slow.

Can't say that it's normal, though.

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#3 kevin

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Posted 29 September 2003 - 01:00 PM

I've actually stopped taking Piracetam because I think it was also making me sleepy.. (well... more so than normal.. ) During my time in England I was off of most of my supplements and found that I was feeling more alert throughout the day.. so I'm going to be careful about adding my nootropics back into my regimen

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Posted 30 September 2003 - 12:50 AM

This is a good example of trial and error with everyone’s unique biochemistry.

Few people respond positively to all nootropics, many to most, some to some, and few to none.

I will ask a question for you 3 since you share the same effect; did you start low or high on Piracetam, how long before you stopped, and were you on any other nootropics or compounds that effect the brain?

Usually I recommend giving it a month as long same the side effects are tolerable, as for some people the effects usually go away as the body and brain adjust in the first few days to weeks.

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Posted 30 September 2003 - 02:01 AM

I was taking citicoline, choline alfoscerate and vinpocetine with the piracetam. The piracetam did not exceed 2400mg/day (3x800). I was also taking 2 x 1.5 g of ALCAR which I have dropped down to 2 x .5g. I had experienced some light headedness, especially on getting up too quickly, which I thought might be related to it. I'm still taking the citicoline and choline alfoscerate, but have discontinued the piracetam and dropped the vinpocetine to 1 x 15mg /day. So far it seems to be a better combination.

#6 srmann

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Posted 01 October 2003 - 12:34 AM

That was my first day with Piracetam 1200. No other noots yet, waiting for them to come in. Other stuff was regular supps no high doses. Have two other days now with Piracetam @ 600 morn and 600 about noon and seems fine. May increase some to see what effects. have you heard of Bacopin? I have ordered some to try. Thanks for the response. Steve

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Posted 28 November 2003 - 08:35 PM

Today is my second day with Piracetam. First time I tried, yesterday, I felt sleepy as well. However, today I havent felt that much sleppy. Yesterday I took 8000 mg divided in 3 dosage and today I am repeating the attack dosage. No sure what dosage I will maintain.

LifeMirage, I will appreciate if you can let me know the appropriate first try attack dosage and for how long I should keep taking this high dosage until I lower the amount to 800 mg 3x. Thank you,

Yoda.

#8 LifeMirage

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Posted 29 November 2003 - 12:40 AM

Although it does vary I recommend 4.8 up to 9.6 grams (if no desired effect is seen in the first week) for 4 straight weeks divided 3-4 times.

#9 shpongled

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Posted 01 December 2003 - 01:30 AM

Here are some notes I have on piracetam and sleep. Most are probably direct quotes from the literature. Piracetam appears to increase REM sleep reliably and slightly decrease total sleep time.


The impact of prolonged injection of piracetam (2 months), meclophenoxate (5 months), and mexidole (5 months) on the bioelectrical activity of the sensomotor cortex and dorsal hippocamp was studied in rats who behaved freely. The injects increased and stabilized the predominant peak of EEC spectra power by the Fourier method. Discontinuation (24 hours) of piracetam failed to impair EEG spectra and bioelectrical activity. Increasing the basic effects of nootropic drugs given chronically versus acutely suggests that chronic injection enhanced their action. The drugs under study elevated the level of wakefulness and excitability of the animals, which is likely to underlie the neurophysiological mechanisms responsible for behaviour optimization under the influence of these agents. [59]

The effects of repeated application of nootropic drugs on the sleep-wake cycle were investigated in rats. Piracetam, meclofenoxate and pyritinol were injected intraperitoneally, 100 mg/kg per day, during a period of 10 days. The sleep-wake cycle was recorded each day between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. Repeated administration of piracetam and meclofenoxate led to an increase of the paradoxical sleep, a decrease of waking, and a very small increase of slow-wave sleep. Pyritinol, on the other hand, decreased the amount of paradoxical sleep. The paradoxical sleep latency was reduced by piracetam and meclofenoxate and enhanced by pyritinol, respectively. These findings and also previous results show that nootropic drugs have different effects on sleep, especially on paradoxical sleep. The possible relationship between sleep effects and memory effects of nootropic drugs and the usefulness of sleep studies for screening of nootropics are discussed. [72]

Pharmacological analysis was used for studying the influence of 24-hour deprivation of paradoxical sleep by Jouvet method on retention of conditioned reaction of passive avoidance in rats. Psychotropic substances of different action were used for the analysis: nootropes as anti-amnestic--pyracetam (400 mg/kg), kleregil (100 mg/kg), centrofenoxin (50 mg/kg) and watersoluble salt of 3-oxypiridin derivative (3-OP) (50 mg/kg) and tranquilizer of bensodiazepine series phenazepam (1 mg/kg) as antistress and antiphobic. It was established that 24-hour deprivation disturbed the elaborated reaction but did not change the rate of emotionality and orienting-investigating behaviour of rats in the open field. Nootropes effectively restored the conditioned passive avoidance reaction while phenazepam had no effect. This allows to suggest that Jouvet method of paradoxical sleep deprivation elicits amnesia and its cause is not only stress but deficit of paradoxical sleep. [81]

The effect of nootropic drugs on sleep-walking pattern was investigated in adult male Wistar rats. Continuous polygraphic sleep recording was made 8 h per day between 8.00 a.m. and 4.00 p.m. Piracetam (100 mg/kg), meclofenoxate (100 mg/kg), pyritinol (100 mg/kg), or methylglucamine orotate (225 mg/kg) were injected intraperitoneally immediately before the onset of recording. The substance effects were compared to pre-drug and post-drug NaC1 control days. The paradoxical sleep (PS) latency was prolonged by pyritinol and methylglucamine orotate. The percentage of PS was decreased by pyritinol and methylglucamine orotate, but increased by piracetam. Pyritinol and methylglucamine orotate decreased the number of PS episodes, whereas piracetam increased the mean duration of PS episodes. Meclofenoxate had no significant effects except for an increase in the number of very long PS episodes (5 min or more). Slow wave sleep and walking were affected only in the case of pyritinol. But also pyritinol, similar to piracetam and methylglucamine orotate, seems to have selective actions on PS as shown by the PS/total sleep ratio. [87]

The effect of Vincamine and Piracetam, two geriatric drugs, on sleep behavior of the laboratory cat was studied. The animals were chronically prepared for recording of the EEG of the cerebral cortex, the lateral geniculate body, and the hippocampus, and for recording of eye movements, the muscular tonus and respiration. During the experiment, sleep and waking behavior were monitored by the above mentioned telemetrically transmitted indicators and also through observation via closed-circuit television. Both Vincamine and Piracetam in doses of 1 and 300 mg/kg p.o., respectively, enhance absolute and relative amounts of paradoxical sleep (PS). Smaller doses have a lesser or no effect on PS. Larger doses again have little effect or else, in the first few hours after application, reduce PS and total amount of sleep. Both drugs have little effect on slow wave and total sleep. Piracetam, but not Vincamine, reduces the prominent frequency of the theta band in hippocampus during PS. The PS-enhancing effect of the two geriatric drugs may be related to their memory-improving influence. [101]

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Posted 06 December 2003 - 04:53 AM

Piracetam -
Great effects on concentration and ability to focus and write and think;
skills this 40 + old person had seen slipping away.
Sleeping at bedtime is deep and fine; with very detailed dreams.
Irritable on occasion, but supposedly choline should help.
Anyone else find that: DMAE causes depression?
Or that 5-HTP causes scary nightmares and insomnia if taken after 2 nights?
Interest in all comments.
Thanks for letting me read y'alls.

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Posted 19 December 2003 - 05:03 AM

scifiwriter

DMAE is strange, I still do not know if it is good to me or not.

I think it is possible that you can feel bad on it. I read it is not good for manic depressives because it can deepen the depressive phase (Smart Drugs and Nutrients, by Ward Dean). Some say it is a methyl donor, so I think it could trigger mania too, I do not know for sure.

There are also studies that report it shortened lifespan of certain species, but other say the opposite.

Melatonin -and I think 5HTP also- give me nightmares, so what you mention is possible an effect of 5HTP.

I will try piracetam again soon.

First time I tried it I felt strange, like a bit dizzy. Not the next time. Aniracetam has not clear effect too.

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Posted 19 December 2003 - 06:31 AM

It seems that I am more conscious of my thought processes. My brain is constantly playing different tracks of thought, some on deeper levels than others. I believe that some of the anxiety I've dealt with in my life has been sort of like a constant background noise: causing a nagging sense of mild distress that seemed to have no source. Lately, I've found that I know why I'm thinking certain things, and why I feel various emotions and physiological sensations.

It's very cool, as if part of my brain that had previously been locked behind a screen is now clearly visible. I have access to more of the nuts and bolts of my inner workings.

This is a very eerie (in a good way) and subtle effect. I don't physically feel any different, nor do I feel sleepy, dizzy, or euphoric. I don't think that I am experiencing a placebo effect because I never even considered that this supplement might provide the results I'm describing. I've never experienced anything quite like this before and I would not have known how to put it into words had I not experienced it.


I as well have noticed this effect early on and still do in the 10 years I've been taking Piracetam.

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#13 srmann

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Posted 19 December 2003 - 09:56 PM

Azalyn, What dose are you taking now and please list doses since you started, Thanks,srmann




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