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[tomnook]

In the news today New Skin Cream

[luminous]

I guess it's expensive, as it says "a small pot costs £135". I'm too lazy to look up the value of a pound at the moment...plus I wonder how small the small pot is. Anyway, it sounds intriguing, but it would be nice if one of our resident skin experts could check it out. Fredrik?

[Liquidus]

I'm still under the impression that all of these 'miracle' anti-aging creams are the basis of pseudo-science, aimed at desperate people who are willing to fork out large amounts of money in the blind pursuit of something they likely don't understand at all. Until registered M.D's start offering prescriptions and/or therapeutic practices that have tried and true anti-aging results, I think it's pointless to invest interest in these 'miracle' creams. Another thing to note, these creams only claim to make you look younger, they don't actually make you younger. If 'looking' younger is what people are after, I would think cosmetic plastic surgery is more accurate.

[Mind]

I would think cosmetic plastic surgery is more accurate.

And possibly more cost effective because the techniques are proven and they last a long time (relatively speaking). Of course depending on the job...it can be quite pricey, but at least you know what you are getting.

Gsnake is correct, most creams right now do not have anti-aging effects, but they are getting better. I wouldn't plunk down 135 for this Soviet era cream, would rather just buy some Juvess.

[Eva Victoria]

In the same article they mentioned another "miracle" cream ReVive ($1500 for a month supply).
Just got the research papers on it. I`ll defenetly keep you updated on this one!

This is from their website:

http://reviveskincare.com/science.html

RéVive skincare is surprisingly simple. The entire skincare line is based on one irrefutable fact: in your 20’s skin regenerates every two to three weeks (i.e. skin cells turn over regularly to expose fresh new skin underneath the dead top layer of skin cells). As we age skin regeneration slows to eight or nine weeks. Dead cells gather on the surface, look worn out, and contribute to dull dry looking skin. Alternatively, new cells with quick life cycles produce fresh and radiant skin and improve skin quality and tone. So the dilemma was always: what will enable skin to continually look young and fresh as we age? How do you speed up skin cells to reverse and slow down aging?

RéVive works because it speeds up skin cells on a molecular level. RéVive, with Nobel Prize winning EGF (Epidermal Growth Factor), is responsible for creating dynamic and fast moving cell activity so that after only a few weeks, your skin looks youthful and dewy. Not only that but RéVive works faster on damaged and aged skin.

RéVive is the ultimate organic product because it replaces what naturally happens in the body but slows down with age. EGF is a protein molecule made of amino acids (for example, soy protein is also composed of amino acids). The process of molecule slowdown is similar to when diabetics lose the ability to produce insulin -they must replace it with insulin created outside the body. EGF is made up specifically of 53 blocks of protein and is then reproduced- or bio-engineered -exactly as it exists in the body. The end product is an absolutely pure protein molecule of EGF. Only recently, bioengineering advances allowed for RéVive Founder Dr. Gregory Bays Brown to perfectly recreate that molecule.

HERE IS our family of molecules and a quick explanation of how they work.

The Formula / EGF (Epidermal Growth Factor)
At the heart of RéVive Sensitif Cellular Repair and Moisturizing Renewal Creams is the highly active EGF molecule (Epidermal Growth Factor). It is released in the body when there is an injury and when applied to aging skin can restore luminosity. Made of 53 amino acids, Dr. Brown combined it into creams that produce small miracles. Only RéVive has this technology and it works to bring the ‘RéVive glow’ to the face within days.

IGF (Insulin-like Growth Factor)
IGF firms and strengthens the underlying collagen to thicken the dermis. IGF prevents sagging and plumps fine lines and is called the youth molecule because it actually boosts collagen production and re-juices the skin.

KGF (Keratinocyte Growth Factor)
KGF is the newest most potent molecule yet. KGF works specifically to increase facial volume – a subtle loss over decades that dramatically ages the face. KGF can potentially fill the creases, lift the sag, and tighten the droop. “This is the first product to address volume,” says Dr. Brown.

KGF achieves results never before possible in skincare because it doesn_t just speed up skin cell turnover (8 times faster!) but halts DNA fragmentation to prevent cells from spinning out of control. KGF has a quick response and enhances skins fluidity in days.

MPI
MPI slows signs of aging by inhibiting the loss of skin’s natural elasticity and collagen levels. MPI rebuilds broken capillaries and significantly diminishes fine lines, sun damage, and rosacea.

[thefirstimmortal]

Gsnake is correct, most creams right now do not have anti-aging effects, but they are getting better. I wouldn't plunk down 135 for this Soviet era cream, would rather just buy some Juvess.

Why Juvess Mind? Do you think it's better than Rejuvenex?

[mustardseed41]

I'll stick to retin-a cause it's cheap and proven.

[Traclo]

KGF (Keratinocyte Growth Factor)
KGF is the newest most potent molecule yet. KGF works specifically to increase facial volume

Am I the only one who has bad thoughts about grotesque deformations from your keratinocytes going nuts?

[thefirstimmortal]

Juvess 2 oz at 30 bucks has the following Ingredients;
http://juvess.com/list.html


Ultra RejuveNight with Melatonin/DHEA/Progesterone 2 oz regular price 42 bucks members price right now 16 dollars.
Ingredients
Purified Water, Ethylhexyl Salicylate (Octyl Salicylate), PEG-12 Glyceryl Distearate, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, PEG-100 Stearate, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane (Avobenzone), Cyclomethicone, Glyceryl Stearate, Hydrogenated Coco-glycerides, Cyclopentasiloxane, Isocetyl Stearoyl Stearate, Glycolic Acid, Avena Sativa (Oat) Kernel Extract, Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Gel, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Camellia Sinensis (White Tea) Leaf Extract, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Solanum Tuberosum (Potato) Starch, Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A), Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate (Vitamin C), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Acorbyl Palmitate (Vitamin C), Thioctic Acid (Alpha Lipoic Acid), Allantoin, Arginine, Beta-glucan, RNA, Glycerin, Lactic Acid, Maleated Soybean Oil (Ceraphyl® NGA), Salicylic Acid (Beta Hydroxy Acid), Hyaluronic Acid, Sodium PCA, Squalane, Urea, Zinc Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, Panthenol (Vitamin B5), Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Disodium EDTA, Fragrance (Natural Lavender/Grapefruit), Triethoxycaprylysilane, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Hexylele Glycol.

Which is the better deal? Even at retail, isn't Ultra RejuveNight with Melatonin/DHEA/Progesterone 2 oz a better deal than juvess?

[spacetime]

This product is bunk. These growth factor peptides are entirely too large to diffuse through the skin and will not penetrate the SC layer at all. They are also quite fragile and will readily degrade at room temperatures. Topical delivery is impractical for these peptides for the aforementioned reasons. I'd like to see what the Russian formula is but it's probably bunk too.

In the same article they mentioned another "miracle" cream ReVive ($1500 for a month supply).
Just got the research papers on it. I`ll defenetly keep you updated on this one!

This is from their website:

http://reviveskincare.com/science.html

RéVive skincare is surprisingly simple. The entire skincare line is based on one irrefutable fact: in your 20’s skin regenerates every two to three weeks (i.e. skin cells turn over regularly to expose fresh new skin underneath the dead top layer of skin cells). As we age skin regeneration slows to eight or nine weeks. Dead cells gather on the surface, look worn out, and contribute to dull dry looking skin. Alternatively, new cells with quick life cycles produce fresh and radiant skin and improve skin quality and tone. So the dilemma was always: what will enable skin to continually look young and fresh as we age? How do you speed up skin cells to reverse and slow down aging?

RéVive works because it speeds up skin cells on a molecular level. RéVive, with Nobel Prize winning EGF (Epidermal Growth Factor), is responsible for creating dynamic and fast moving cell activity so that after only a few weeks, your skin looks youthful and dewy. Not only that but RéVive works faster on damaged and aged skin.

RéVive is the ultimate organic product because it replaces what naturally happens in the body but slows down with age. EGF is a protein molecule made of amino acids (for example, soy protein is also composed of amino acids). The process of molecule slowdown is similar to when diabetics lose the ability to produce insulin -they must replace it with insulin created outside the body. EGF is made up specifically of 53 blocks of protein and is then reproduced- or bio-engineered -exactly as it exists in the body. The end product is an absolutely pure protein molecule of EGF. Only recently, bioengineering advances allowed for RéVive Founder Dr. Gregory Bays Brown to perfectly recreate that molecule.

HERE IS our family of molecules and a quick explanation of how they work.

The Formula / EGF (Epidermal Growth Factor)
At the heart of RéVive Sensitif Cellular Repair and Moisturizing Renewal Creams is the highly active EGF molecule (Epidermal Growth Factor). It is released in the body when there is an injury and when applied to aging skin can restore luminosity. Made of 53 amino acids, Dr. Brown combined it into creams that produce small miracles. Only RéVive has this technology and it works to bring the ‘RéVive glow’ to the face within days.

IGF (Insulin-like Growth Factor)
IGF firms and strengthens the underlying collagen to thicken the dermis. IGF prevents sagging and plumps fine lines and is called the youth molecule because it actually boosts collagen production and re-juices the skin.

KGF (Keratinocyte Growth Factor)
KGF is the newest most potent molecule yet. KGF works specifically to increase facial volume – a subtle loss over decades that dramatically ages the face. KGF can potentially fill the creases, lift the sag, and tighten the droop. “This is the first product to address volume,” says Dr. Brown.

KGF achieves results never before possible in skincare because it doesn_t just speed up skin cell turnover (8 times faster!) but halts DNA fragmentation to prevent cells from spinning out of control. KGF has a quick response and enhances skins fluidity in days.

MPI
MPI slows signs of aging by inhibiting the loss of skin’s natural elasticity and collagen levels. MPI rebuilds broken capillaries and significantly diminishes fine lines, sun damage, and rosacea.

[Eva Victoria]

I would recommend to stick to proven substances like Tretinoin, Hydroquinone (even though Azaleic Acid is safer), Vitamin C and E, Azaleic Acid, Phytic Acid, AHAs, BHAs.
For simple problems one or the combination of 2 substances are good enough; for treatment of more serious problems (Acne, Photo aging) the combo of several substances is necessary to achieve results.
All these substances work together in synergy. (Hydroquinone should not be applied together with Idebenone though. They have sever cross reaction on skin!).
And remember the best anti-aging miracle we know today is the application of a well formulated SUNSCREEN every day! Together with sun avoidance!

This product is bunk. These growth factor peptides are entirely too large to diffuse through the skin and will not penetrate the SC layer at all. They are also quite fragile and will readily degrade at room temperatures. Topical delivery is impractical for these peptides for the aforementioned reasons. I'd like to see what the Russian formula is but it's probably bunk too.

In the same article they mentioned another "miracle" cream ReVive ($1500 for a month supply).
Just got the research papers on it. I`ll defenetly keep you updated on this one!

This is from their website:

http://reviveskincare.com/science.html

RéVive skincare is surprisingly simple. The entire skincare line is based on one irrefutable fact: in your 20's skin regenerates every two to three weeks (i.e. skin cells turn over regularly to expose fresh new skin underneath the dead top layer of skin cells). As we age skin regeneration slows to eight or nine weeks. Dead cells gather on the surface, look worn out, and contribute to dull dry looking skin. Alternatively, new cells with quick life cycles produce fresh and radiant skin and improve skin quality and tone. So the dilemma was always: what will enable skin to continually look young and fresh as we age? How do you speed up skin cells to reverse and slow down aging?

RéVive works because it speeds up skin cells on a molecular level. RéVive, with Nobel Prize winning EGF (Epidermal Growth Factor), is responsible for creating dynamic and fast moving cell activity so that after only a few weeks, your skin looks youthful and dewy. Not only that but RéVive works faster on damaged and aged skin.

RéVive is the ultimate organic product because it replaces what naturally happens in the body but slows down with age. EGF is a protein molecule made of amino acids (for example, soy protein is also composed of amino acids). The process of molecule slowdown is similar to when diabetics lose the ability to produce insulin -they must replace it with insulin created outside the body. EGF is made up specifically of 53 blocks of protein and is then reproduced- or bio-engineered -exactly as it exists in the body. The end product is an absolutely pure protein molecule of EGF. Only recently, bioengineering advances allowed for RéVive Founder Dr. Gregory Bays Brown to perfectly recreate that molecule.

HERE IS our family of molecules and a quick explanation of how they work.

The Formula / EGF (Epidermal Growth Factor)
At the heart of RéVive Sensitif Cellular Repair and Moisturizing Renewal Creams is the highly active EGF molecule (Epidermal Growth Factor). It is released in the body when there is an injury and when applied to aging skin can restore luminosity. Made of 53 amino acids, Dr. Brown combined it into creams that produce small miracles. Only RéVive has this technology and it works to bring the 'RéVive glow' to the face within days.

IGF (Insulin-like Growth Factor)
IGF firms and strengthens the underlying collagen to thicken the dermis. IGF prevents sagging and plumps fine lines and is called the youth molecule because it actually boosts collagen production and re-juices the skin.

KGF (Keratinocyte Growth Factor)
KGF is the newest most potent molecule yet. KGF works specifically to increase facial volume – a subtle loss over decades that dramatically ages the face. KGF can potentially fill the creases, lift the sag, and tighten the droop. "This is the first product to address volume," says Dr. Brown.

KGF achieves results never before possible in skincare because it doesn_t just speed up skin cell turnover (8 times faster!) but halts DNA fragmentation to prevent cells from spinning out of control. KGF has a quick response and enhances skins fluidity in days.

MPI
MPI slows signs of aging by inhibiting the loss of skin's natural elasticity and collagen levels. MPI rebuilds broken capillaries and significantly diminishes fine lines, sun damage, and rosacea.

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