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[Centurion]

Hi guys. Im thinking of buying one of these http://www.riosuntan....co.uk/jade.htm without the harmful UV tubes and fitting it with infrared tubes instead? Do you think it would be worthwhile?

[Eva Victoria]

IR are harmful for your skin as well (they generate free-radicals that can accelerate aging).

Have a look at the attachment.

Good luck with your project!

Hi guys. Im thinking of buying one of these http://www.riosuntan....co.uk/jade.htm without the harmful UV tubes and fitting it with infrared tubes instead? Do you think it would be worthwhile?

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[donjoe]

IR are harmful for your skin as well (they generate free-radicals that can accelerate aging).

Isn't IR just heat radiation? Why would that be harmful? (Also I fail to see how it alone could be tanning, absent UVs.)

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[Centurion]

IR are harmful for your skin as well (they generate free-radicals that can accelerate aging).

Isn't IR just heat radiation? Why would that be harmful? (Also I fail to see how it alone could be tanning, absent UVs.)

<hr>- After all, Number One, we're only mortal.
- Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever.

Thats pretty much what I want it for. Directional heat for the purpose of alleviating my hideous muscle tension problem. Seems every time I do strength training im all bound up for days its awful.

[Eva Victoria]

I did not say it will tan your skin

What I said was that IR generate a lot of oxidants (because of the heat). Oxidisation is accelerated in higyer temperature. Bellow +5C it is much less and bellow 0C it is minimal (bellow -40C there is no oxidisation technically).

What I am saying is that UV rays do damage your skin because of causing several damages among others free-radical generation.
But IR (since it is heat) genarates and accelerates oxidation in the skin. Hence contributing to your skin's aging.

IR are harmful for your skin as well (they generate free-radicals that can accelerate aging).

Isn't IR just heat radiation? Why would that be harmful? (Also I fail to see how it alone could be tanning, absent UVs.)

- After all, Number One, we're only mortal.
- Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever.

[niner]

How about a hot bath? Cheaper than a sunbed, assuming you have a bathtub already. I could believe that heat accelerates oxidation, but what's the dose-response curve? Humans don't like to get all that hot...

[lunarsolarpower]

I was going to say you could save a lot of money and trouble by just hooking up some of those heat lamps they use in poultry farming to keep the chicks warm.

[eternaltraveler]

get a hot tub. Much better.

[lunarsolarpower]

get a hot tub. Much better.

True. And often free to good home if you have a couple burly friends and access to a snowmobile trailer.

[Karomesis]

I beleive you're referring to this

http://www.jbc.org/c...ract/280/6/4761

http://www.pnas.org/.../100/6/3439.pdf

http://services.bepr...i/tissue_regen/

I saw your thread title and that's almost exactly the idea I had for a few medical patents in my new startup. Although I'm unsure how the body would react to "flood" photobiomodulation, the research from hundreds of publications indicates that improved tissue regeneration and mitochondrial up regulation are just some of the benefits to be had.

so yes, that is a great idea in theory and it will probably help improve skin conditions across the board.

(edit because I forgot to mention the technicalities involved) there is current research that also indicated a varying NM wavelength(630-1000) is the most beneficial for tissue regeneration. ANd for those of you who think it has to be hot, it doesn't with NIR-LEDs and heat sinks

Edited by Karomesis, 08 May 2008 - 01:19 PM.

[Centurion]

I beleive you're referring to this

http://www.jbc.org/c...ract/280/6/4761

http://www.pnas.org/.../100/6/3439.pdf

http://services.bepr...i/tissue_regen/

I saw your thread title and that's almost exactly the idea I had for a few medical patents in my new startup. Although I'm unsure how the body would react to "flood" photobiomodulation, the research from hundreds of publications indicates that improved tissue regeneration and mitochondrial up regulation are just some of the benefits to be had.

so yes, that is a great idea in theory and it will probably help improve skin conditions across the board.

(edit because I forgot to mention the technicalities involved) there is current research that also indicated a varying NM wavelength(630-1000) is the most beneficial for tissue regeneration. ANd for those of you who think it has to be hot, it doesn't with NIR-LEDs and heat sinks

Good to see youre still rockin and rollin Karomesis (Giggidy)

Those benefits are rather hard to ignore!

As regards the comments about a hot tub - that's just the excuse I need mwahaha

I was looking for something with the benefits of IR therapy but with the added relaxation for the muscles imparted by the heat. I know the pro oxidant effect is a downside, but id consider it worth the risk if I wasnt walking around all seized up for days after a workout

[Gerald W. Gaston]

Seems to be a few reports of Repeated Mild Heat Stress (RMHS) at 41C for 1hr, twice a week having a positive effect in vitro. Here is one:

PMID: 17460207 - Hormetic prevention of molecular damage during cellular aging of human skin fibroblasts and keratinocytes

[Ben]

What about a sauna? Get into one straight after your workout.

Failing that, and this may be obvious, you should rug up after a workout to keep your muscles warm. Also are you stretching long enough before and after?

I find when I go for a swim after the gym my muscles feel less tight and generally freer. The swimming really stretches you out and limbers you up.

[niner]

I beleive you're referring to this

http://www.jbc.org/c...ract/280/6/4761

http://www.pnas.org/.../100/6/3439.pdf

http://services.bepr...i/tissue_regen/

I saw your thread title and that's almost exactly the idea I had for a few medical patents in my new startup. Although I'm unsure how the body would react to "flood" photobiomodulation, the research from hundreds of publications indicates that improved tissue regeneration and mitochondrial up regulation are just some of the benefits to be had.

so yes, that is a great idea in theory and it will probably help improve skin conditions across the board.

(edit because I forgot to mention the technicalities involved) there is current research that also indicated a varying NM wavelength(630-1000) is the most beneficial for tissue regeneration. ANd for those of you who think it has to be hot, it doesn't with NIR-LEDs and heat sinks

Karomesis, thanks for the great refs! I wasn't aware of this field, and have been reading some of the articles in the third link. In particular, this powerpoint by Lars Hode (article 18 in tissue_regen link) presents some hypotheses regarding the mechanism of photobiomodulation. Part of the mechanism centers around coherence and the laser speckle-like effects that occur in the tissue. That is not the only mechanism, however, as incoherent sources like LEDs and filtered lamps also work, but when compared to lasers, the lasers always work better. At least some of the effects of Low Level Laser Therapy are likely to be hormetic in nature.