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[Mind]

A good summary on SENS and nice to see more people addressing aging as a disease.

[VictorBjoerk]

It was really interesting,I appreciate the view of aging as a disease,what should it otherwise be classified as? a gift from god?

[Djekic Milos]

It was really interesting,I appreciate the view of aging as a disease,what should it otherwise be classified as? a gift from god?

I disagree that aging is a disease. It is normal and natural phenomenon and disease is pathological phenomenon.
However, aging need not be inevitable, but immortality and eternal youth are unnatural (as a rule) and abnormal (as a rule).
However, we must achieve just that, unnatural and abnormal, but fantastic.
Our cells are old not a few decades, but many generations, millions of years. We only need to make some minor modifications to achieve immortality and eternal youth.

[cyborgdreamer]

Personally, I'd call any biological condition a disease if it causes heart attacks, strokes, skin deformation, muscle weakness, brittle bones, diabetes, urinary incontinence, impotence, dimentia, and cancer and is fatal in 100% of sufferers. However, what you call aging is only a matter of semantics. The real point is that it shouldn't be forced on people against their will.

[BHolt08]

Been a young biologist the idea of immortality has always fascinated me and the approach towards cancer is one that many see as a possible cure, but ive always seen cancer as the gate way to immortality.Telomere reduction is a cause of cell senescense and cancers are immortal in that they have an inffinate amount of cell devision in vitro, due to there ability to reactivate telomerase. So if you could get rid of the uncontrollable replication and have telomerase present, you can have a healthy immortal cell in theory. There is probably more things needed to be taken into account but it is just an idea.

[niner]

Been a young biologist the idea of immortality has always fascinated me and the approach towards cancer is one that many see as a possible cure, but ive always seen cancer as the gate way to immortality.Telomere reduction is a cause of cell senescense and cancers are immortal in that they have an inffinate amount of cell devision in vitro, due to there ability to reactivate telomerase. So if you could get rid of the uncontrollable replication and have telomerase present, you can have a healthy immortal cell in theory. There is probably more things needed to be taken into account but it is just an idea.

You're right, there is definitely more to it than telomeres alone, but telomeres are important too. Check out TA Sciences. They have a telomerase activator. There are threads about it here.

[VictorBjoerk]

aging is a pathologic phenomena. it is a difference between aging and getting older. Does anyone know if any telomere studies have been done on supercentenarians?

[Shepard]

Does anyone know if any telomere studies have been done on supercentenarians?

http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum


Shonghow, I appreciate your enthusiasm for the topic. But, you'll almost certainly be able to answer your own questions quicker than posting them to a public board where members come and go and may or may not see your question.

[ACY421]

Living a century or two, maybe three , or even more would be great if I sustained my current 27yr old health and looks. My question is what would be the solution to the overcrowding of Earth? Certianly you all have noticed the alarming rate of development and expansion of commerical, industrial, and residential zoning due to population growth. Space in "ideal" living environments such as my current residence of San Diego, CA is becoming more scarce, resources are being extinguighed, and pollution continues to rise. If cures are found for all cancers, AIDS, and cells become immortal or eternally replaced, what will become of this planet? With noone dieing and people reproducing the population is sure to get out of control. No matter how much you promote recycling,waste will accumulate in record rates. Traffic will be severely impacted in already large cities. Another issue is who will be the ones taking advantage of this new develpment in medicine? I have the gut feeling it will be extremely expensive and only the prosperous will be having this done, while the poor grow increasingly jealous and angry that they cannot live longer lives because of economic status. The rich will be picked off one by one from gun carrying pissed off middle/lower class people. Don't forget the villians of the world will certianly live longer as well, more time to rape, kill, terrorize, and destroy.These are just my thoughts.
-Adam Y.

[solbanger]

Living a century or two, maybe three , or even more would be great if I sustained my current 27yr old health and looks. My question is what would be the solution to the overcrowding of Earth? Certianly you all have noticed the alarming rate of development and expansion of commerical, industrial, and residential zoning due to population growth. Space in "ideal" living environments such as my current residence of San Diego, CA is becoming more scarce, resources are being extinguighed, and pollution continues to rise. If cures are found for all cancers, AIDS, and cells become immortal or eternally replaced, what will become of this planet? With noone dieing and people reproducing the population is sure to get out of control. No matter how much you promote recycling,waste will accumulate in record rates. Traffic will be severely impacted in already large cities. Another issue is who will be the ones taking advantage of this new develpment in medicine? I have the gut feeling it will be extremely expensive and only the prosperous will be having this done, while the poor grow increasingly jealous and angry that they cannot live longer lives because of economic status. The rich will be picked off one by one from gun carrying pissed off middle/lower class people. Don't forget the villians of the world will certianly live longer as well, more time to rape, kill, terrorize, and destroy.These are just my thoughts.
-Adam Y.

You're overthinking the problem. As if the whole wide world will be a sprawling mini-mart in fifty years. You also assume humans will be the same creatures in a thousand years. All it takes is more efficient energy sources such as nano solar panels and cold fusion to reduce emissions, more investment in nano cleanup and the breakdown of the oil company's political grip on Washington to allow competing technologies to finally replace the 100 year old combustion engine. Food, waste processing and the like will be easier with abundant energy.

As for all the immortal people we can build ever higher skyscraper condos. We'll need more high rise apartments, subterranean apartments and finally low energy hibernation agreements in exchange for high yield mutual funds, so you can sleep for twenty years in a box while your investments swell. I know we shouldn't pay people to commit suicide. Being paid to commit suicide is ridiculous and inhumane for the society and your own family.

You are right that life saving technologies will probably be afforded to the rich. They are today. The economy does not guarantee affordable goods so long as a monopoly exists. For instance how many poor people can afford heart surgery? Since a virtual monopoly exists in health care due to the low number of heart surgeons certified per year the prices remain high. As to why more doctors aren't certified, I'm sure someone is profiting from it, because it makes absolutely no sense to control a supply without a gain. What can poor people do about it? Nothing. However no one knows how much of a monopoly the health industry will have over upcoming life extension technologies.

The rich already have near complete control over the economy and at least right now their family lines are 'immortal' so it's not like we are not experiencing the problem of massive domination by the immortal few. It's just that the money gets passed down to sons and daughters instead of being retained by the originator. So do you see people rioting in the streets today against these tycoons? Nope. 'Cause the cops would decimate them.

As time goes on and humans genetically upgrade, things that we normally compete over such as food, beauty and sex will be ever cheaper. So there's no telling what we will be like. Predictably we'll just be bigger, stronger and jacked into holograms.

[Djekic Milos]

Living a century or two, maybe three , or even more would be great if I sustained my current 27yr old health and looks. My question is what would be the solution to the overcrowding of Earth? Certianly you all have noticed the alarming rate of development and expansion of commerical, industrial, and residential zoning due to population growth. Space in "ideal" living environments such as my current residence of San Diego, CA is becoming more scarce, resources are being extinguighed, and pollution continues to rise. If cures are found for all cancers, AIDS, and cells become immortal or eternally replaced, what will become of this planet? With noone dieing and people reproducing the population is sure to get out of control. No matter how much you promote recycling,waste will accumulate in record rates. Traffic will be severely impacted in already large cities. Another issue is who will be the ones taking advantage of this new develpment in medicine? I have the gut feeling it will be extremely expensive and only the prosperous will be having this done, while the poor grow increasingly jealous and angry that they cannot live longer lives because of economic status. The rich will be picked off one by one from gun carrying pissed off middle/lower class people. Don't forget the villians of the world will certianly live longer as well, more time to rape, kill, terrorize, and destroy.These are just my thoughts.
-Adam Y.

You're overthinking the problem. As if the whole wide world will be a sprawling mini-mart in fifty years. You also assume humans will be the same creatures in a thousand years. All it takes is more efficient energy sources such as nano solar panels and cold fusion to reduce emissions, more investment in nano cleanup and the breakdown of the oil company's political grip on Washington to allow competing technologies to finally replace the 100 year old combustion engine. Food, waste processing and the like will be easier with abundant energy.

As for all the immortal people we can build ever higher skyscraper condos. We'll need more high rise apartments, subterranean apartments and finally low energy hibernation agreements in exchange for high yield mutual funds, so you can sleep for twenty years in a box while your investments swell. I know we shouldn't pay people to commit suicide. Being paid to commit suicide is ridiculous and inhumane for the society and your own family.

You are right that life saving technologies will probably be afforded to the rich. They are today. The economy does not guarantee affordable goods so long as a monopoly exists. For instance how many poor people can afford heart surgery? Since a virtual monopoly exists in health care due to the low number of heart surgeons certified per year the prices remain high. As to why more doctors aren't certified, I'm sure someone is profiting from it, because it makes absolutely no sense to control a supply without a gain. What can poor people do about it? Nothing. However no one knows how much of a monopoly the health industry will have over upcoming life extension technologies.

The rich already have near complete control over the economy and at least right now their family lines are 'immortal' so it's not like we are not experiencing the problem of massive domination by the immortal few. It's just that the money gets passed down to sons and daughters instead of being retained by the originator. So do you see people rioting in the streets today against these tycoons? Nope. 'Cause the cops would decimate them.

As time goes on and humans genetically upgrade, things that we normally compete over such as food, beauty and sex will be ever cheaper. So there's no telling what we will be like. Predictably we'll just be bigger, stronger and jacked into holograms.

[Djekic Milos]

Living a century or two, maybe three , or even more would be great if I sustained my current 27yr old health and looks. My question is what would be the solution to the overcrowding of Earth? Certianly you all have noticed the alarming rate of development and expansion of commerical, industrial, and residential zoning due to population growth. Space in "ideal" living environments such as my current residence of San Diego, CA is becoming more scarce, resources are being extinguighed, and pollution continues to rise. If cures are found for all cancers, AIDS, and cells become immortal or eternally replaced, what will become of this planet? With noone dieing and people reproducing the population is sure to get out of control. No matter how much you promote recycling,waste will accumulate in record rates. Traffic will be severely impacted in already large cities. Another issue is who will be the ones taking advantage of this new develpment in medicine? I have the gut feeling it will be extremely expensive and only the prosperous will be having this done, while the poor grow increasingly jealous and angry that they cannot live longer lives because of economic status. The rich will be picked off one by one from gun carrying pissed off middle/lower class people. Don't forget the villians of the world will certianly live longer as well, more time to rape, kill, terrorize, and destroy.These are just my thoughts.
-Adam Y.

You're overthinking the problem. As if the whole wide world will be a sprawling mini-mart in fifty years. You also assume humans will be the same creatures in a thousand years. All it takes is more efficient energy sources such as nano solar panels and cold fusion to reduce emissions, more investment in nano cleanup and the breakdown of the oil company's political grip on Washington to allow competing technologies to finally replace the 100 year old combustion engine. Food, waste processing and the like will be easier with abundant energy.

As for all the immortal people we can build ever higher skyscraper condos. We'll need more high rise apartments, subterranean apartments and finally low energy hibernation agreements in exchange for high yield mutual funds, so you can sleep for twenty years in a box while your investments swell. I know we shouldn't pay people to commit suicide. Being paid to commit suicide is ridiculous and inhumane for the society and your own family.

You are right that life saving technologies will probably be afforded to the rich. They are today. The economy does not guarantee affordable goods so long as a monopoly exists. For instance how many poor people can afford heart surgery? Since a virtual monopoly exists in health care due to the low number of heart surgeons certified per year the prices remain high. As to why more doctors aren't certified, I'm sure someone is profiting from it, because it makes absolutely no sense to control a supply without a gain. What can poor people do about it? Nothing. However no one knows how much of a monopoly the health industry will have over upcoming life extension technologies.

The rich already have near complete control over the economy and at least right now their family lines are 'immortal' so it's not like we are not experiencing the problem of massive domination by the immortal few. It's just that the money gets passed down to sons and daughters instead of being retained by the originator. So do you see people rioting in the streets today against these tycoons? Nope. 'Cause the cops would decimate them.

As time goes on and humans genetically upgrade, things that we normally compete over such as food, beauty and sex will be ever cheaper. So there's no telling what we will be like. Predictably we'll just be bigger, stronger and jacked into holograms.

[Djekic Milos]

[quote name='ACY421' date='1-Jul 2008, 07:42 PM' post='248554']
Living a century or two, maybe three , or even more would be great if I sustained my current 27yr old health and looks. My question is what would be the solution to the overcrowding of Earth? Certianly you all have noticed the alarming rate of development and expansion of commerical, industrial, and residential zoning due to population growth. Space in "ideal" living environments such as my current residence of San Diego, CA is becoming more scarce, resources are being extinguighed, and pollution continues to rise. If cures are found for all cancers, AIDS, and cells become immortal or eternally replaced, what will become of this planet? With noone dieing and people reproducing the population is sure to get out of control. No matter how much you promote recycling,waste will accumulate in record rates. Traffic will be severely impacted in already large cities. Another issue is who will be the ones taking advantage of this new develpment in medicine? I have the gut feeling it will be extremely expensive and only the prosperous will be having this done, while the poor grow increasingly jealous and angry that they cannot live longer lives because of economic status. The rich will be picked off one by one from gun carrying pissed off middle/lower class people. Don't forget the villians of the world will certianly live longer as well, more time to rape, kill, terrorize, and destroy.These are just my thoughts.
-Adam Y.


Have you heard about contraception?
Chinese seem to have heard (policy of one child per family)