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Death is ...

  1. Oblivion (168 votes [47.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.32%

  2. A Portal Mystery (4 votes [1.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.13%

  3. A Chance to Roam the Earth (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Another Chance at Reincarnation (13 votes [3.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  5. My Ticket to Nirvana (6 votes [1.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.69%

  6. A Gateway to Heaven or Hell (10 votes [2.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.82%

  7. A Transition to Another Simulation (7 votes [1.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.97%

  8. A Bridge to Another Realm (15 votes [4.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.23%

  9. I Honestly Don't Know (120 votes [33.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.80%

  10. I Don't Know and I Don't Care (12 votes [3.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.38%

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#271 fatboy

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Posted 24 December 2009 - 11:39 PM

Death is insensitive.


And indiscriminate.

I cry rarely


I cry often. Weird, huh?

Edited by fatboy, 25 December 2009 - 12:22 AM.


#272 chrwe

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 12:27 PM

Oblivion is what I believe it to be,

something else is what I hope it to be,

painful except for a few exceptions is what I know it to be


I know what I saw and experienced in others myself
I believe what I can extrapolate from what I know and experienced myself, i.e. I DIDNT see it yet but I do know a lot about the brain and how it relates to "me"
I hope what I can neither extrapolate from knowledge nor have any rational argument for

eh - no wonder I am a staunch transhumanist, because, like it or not, the likelihood for terrible oblivion is 95%

Edited by chrwe, 05 May 2010 - 12:43 PM.


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#273 Brafarality

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 11:02 AM

Consciousness survives the deterioration and death of the brain. No doubt about it.
The question is how.
Is the transition experienced by consciousness or does it occur outside conscious experience?
How does it happen?
I still haven't been able to articulate it, but thought experiments localized at various stages of personal existence as well as of the existence of life on earth, various larger cosmic and existential points of view and a bunch of other evidences and anecdotes suggests survival.

Not one person has stepped up and offered an explanation as to how consciousness is continuous despite periods of lack of consciousness.

SUMMARY: If consciousness is an emergent brain phenomenon, then as soon as all the complexity that goes into produces it is thrown out of whack and no longer produces it, that particular iteration of consciousness ends. As soon as the brain reorganizes itself into a state that generates consciousness, a new iteration should emerge as an emergent property.

The fact that the new iteration feels continuous with the previous iteration is well beyond any physical explanation.
Just think about it for a second.
Is it just obvious to me? Am I missing something?
It seems to be an insurmountable problem of the brain equals mind hypothesis, but people have dismissed this argument with a single sentence, one that they are satisfied with, but which hardly answers anything.

Sort of like how some peeps dismiss The Great Silence or the Fermi Paradox with a single sentence as if they have grasped its implications, but are really completely missing the point when they say something like "Why would aliens want to come to this technological stone age place?"
It completely misses the probabalistic nature of the paradox.

Same here. The continuity of consciousness from iteration to iteration, between bouts of non-consciousness, cannot be easily explained physically as far as I know.
It is the flaw that causes Neo to see the matrix.

I hate to ask it since I don't have the right or the credentials, but it would be really cool if someone meditated on this for 15+ min before spinning off a one sentence reply.
Just try to get where I am on this for a few contemplative moments.

Edited by Brafarality, 16 October 2010 - 11:08 AM.


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