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#1 davpet

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 08:15 PM


I saw this posted on Smart Skin Care :

Trash Your Sunscreen and Other Summer Sun Tips


By Dr. Joseph Mercola
with Rachael Droege
It may seem like second nature to you to apply sunscreen before going out in the sun, as the media has been bombarding Americans with reports of the dangers of the sun for some time now, but using sunscreen is not a good way to limit your sun exposure.

Having concerns about skin cancer is valid, however, as its incidence in the United States has tripled in recent years to 54,000 cases annually, but sunscreen is one of the LAST things you want to put on your body, and sunblock does not stop skin cancer. Sunscreen is a toxic chemical that can cause problems in your system and increase your risk of disease.

The FDA regulates sunscreen as an over-the-counter drug because it contains "active" ingredients. Following is a list of active ingredients in sunscreen that the FDA classified as GRASE (generally regarded as safe and effective):

  • Para Amino benzoic acid (PABA)
  • Avobenzone
  • Cinoxate
  • Dioxybenzone
  • Homosalate
  • Menthyl anthranilate
  • Octocrylene
  • Octo methoxycinnamate
  • Octyl salicylate
  • Oxybenzone
  • Padimate O
  • Phenylbenzimidazole
  • Sulisobenzone
  • Titanium dioxide
  • Trolamine salicylate
  • Zinc oxide
Potential Toxicity


Whether some of these ingredients are toxic is controversial and there are studies on either side of the issue. But recently, a study in the April 2004 Journal of Chromatography found that there is significant penetration of all sunscreen agents they studied into the skin, and oxybenzone and metabolites across the skin.

So at best when you use sunscreen your body is absorbing synthetic chemicals, and with experts’ recommendations to apply generous amounts of the product every few hours, you will likely be absorbing a fair amount. It is hard to believe that all of these chemicals will not have any effect on your system. Titanium dioxide and zinc oxide, which act as physical barriers that reflect UV rays, may be less problematic in terms of absorption.

Even though up until now studies on the potential toxicity of sunscreens are sparse and not definitive, I believe it is wise to reduce your exposure to synthetic chemicals as much as possible and I don’t recommend using sunscreens at all.

Sunscreen and Vitamin D


There is another major problem with sunscreen aside from the potential chemical toxicity and that is it blocks your skin’s ability to make vitamin D by more than 95 percent. If you’ve been reading the site then you are familiar with the importance of having optimal vitamin D levels and know that regular sun exposure is the best way to achieve this.

Rather than burying your skin in sunscreen, it is clearly important to get regular sun exposure in order to have optimum health.

Sun Safety Without Sunscreen

This does not mean that we should all go out and get as much sun as we want--you must exercise caution and avoiding a burn is key.

At the beginning of the season, go out gradually and limit your exposure to perhaps as little as 10 minutes a day. Progressively increase your time in the sun so that in a few weeks you will be able to have normal sun exposure with little risk of skin cancer. You can further avoid the damage from the sun by staying out of the sun during the harmful times from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. You can stay in the shade during this time or wear lightweight long sleeve shirts, long pants and a wide-brim hat.

If you are looking to give yourself further protection against skin cancer, along with not getting sunburned diet is undoubtedly important.

In 2001, the National Academy of Sciences published a comprehensive review showing that the omega 6:3 ratio was the key to preventing skin cancer development. I believe that it is the worsening omega-3:6 ratios that are at least partly responsible for the rise in skin cancer rates.

Omega-3 and omega-6 fats are both essential for human health, however the typical American consumes far too many omega-6 fats in their diet while consuming very low levels of omega-3. While the ideal ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fats is 1:1, our ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 averages from 20:1 to 50:1!

The primary sources of omega-6 are corn, soy, safflower and sunflower oil; these oils are overabundant in the typical diet, which explains our excess omega-6 levels. Avoid or limit these oils.

Meanwhile, omega-3 fats, found in fish oil and cod liver oil, need to be increased.

A major part of the problem is that at the beginning of 1900 we had very little processed vegetable oils, which are virtually 100 percent omega-6 fat, in our diet. In the last 100 years the U.S. population has gone from consuming virtually no vegetable fats to consuming more than 70 pounds per year. It is likely this unnaturally high consumption of omega-6 fats that is totally distorting the important omega 6:3 ratio.

So as I mentioned above, it is vital to reduce the omega-6 vegetable oils in your diet as much as possible while increasing the amount of beneficial omega-3 fats. This is an incredibly important way to prevent skin cancer and it is spelled out quite clearly in a 2000 Cancer Research study that says:

"Epidemiological, experimental, and mechanistic data implicate omega-6 fat as stimulators and long-chain omega-3 fats as inhibitors of development and progression of a range of human cancers, including melanoma."

Additionally, consuming many whole vegetables will increase antioxidant levels in the body, which will provide protection against any sun-induced radiation damage. Eating the right vegetables for your metabolic type will give you the best results, of course.

So if you want to benefit from the sun this summer, and I sincerely hope you do, throw away your sunscreen and use practical methods like clothing and shade to protect your skin from the sun when necessary. Always avoid getting burned, but be sure to get some sun on your skin. Complete avoidance of the sun is a surefire way to cause some problems for yourself down the road.

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 02:16 PM

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#3 Eva Victoria

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:55 PM

I would like to ask one question:

Does anyone out there know a better way to protect our skin against UV radiation (UVA included) than sunscreen?
And then I mean when you really have to go outside and you have put on tightly-woven dark coloured long-sleeved clothes, broad-rimmed hat, big sunglasses but your facial skin is out there bare. And you don't have any intention of putting your skin out in the aging and burning rays? How do you protect yourself, tell me.



What are UVA-rays and why are they so dangerous?
http://www.imminst.o...ous-t20235.html

http://www.imminst.o...een-t22856.html

How best to halt and/or revert UV-induced skin ageing: strategies
http://www.imminst.o...fac-t22713.html

Particle sunscreen vs. organic sunscreen
http://www.imminst.o...een-t21350.html

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:19 AM

http://www.sunprecau...?...&SUBCAT=0ac


I would like to ask one question:

Does anyone out there know a better way to protect our skin against UV radiation (UVA included) than sunscreen?
And then I mean when you really have to go outside and you have put on tightly-woven dark coloured long-sleeved clothes, broad-rimmed hat, big sunglasses but your facial skin is out there bare. And you don't have any intention of putting your skin out in the aging and burning rays? How do you protect yourself, tell me.



What are UVA-rays and why are they so dangerous?
http://www.imminst.o...ous-t20235.html

http://www.imminst.o...een-t22856.html

How best to halt and/or revert UV-induced skin ageing: strategies
http://www.imminst.o...fac-t22713.html

Particle sunscreen vs. organic sunscreen
http://www.imminst.o...een-t21350.html


Edited by mustardseed41, 19 July 2008 - 12:20 AM.


#5 davpet

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:07 PM

Does anyone out there know a better way to protect our skin against UV radiation (UVA included) than sunscreen?
And then I mean when you really have to go outside and you have put on tightly-woven dark coloured long-sleeved clothes, broad-rimmed hat, big sunglasses but your facial skin is out there bare. And you don't have any intention of putting your skin out in the aging and burning rays? How do you protect yourself, tell me.


http://www.coolibar.com/01008.html

http://www.coolibar.com/01009.html

#6 Eva Victoria

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:34 PM

Very good way to protect yourself, indeed.
But what if one does not want to look like a bank robber? :p


Does anyone out there know a better way to protect our skin against UV radiation (UVA included) than sunscreen?
And then I mean when you really have to go outside and you have put on tightly-woven dark coloured long-sleeved clothes, broad-rimmed hat, big sunglasses but your facial skin is out there bare. And you don't have any intention of putting your skin out in the aging and burning rays? How do you protect yourself, tell me.


http://www.coolibar.com/01008.html

http://www.coolibar.com/01009.html



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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:52 PM

Ha, you will be arrested wearing these things in certain countries or worshipped in others....

Anyway, I'm using the following compromise. I stopped using tretinoin in summer, so that I'm able to apply sunscreens only when I'm outside in the direct sun. This means that on cloudy day's I will not apply a sunscreen. Just a compromise as so many others....

#8 Eva Victoria

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:17 PM

Ha, you will be arrested wearing these things in certain countries or worshipped in others....

Anyway, I'm using the following compromise. I stopped using tretinoin in summer, so that I'm able to apply sunscreens only when I'm outside in the direct sun. This means that on cloudy day's I will not apply a sunscreen. Just a compromise as so many others....


But clouds only filter UVB (Burning rays). UVA (Aging rays) is still as high as on a sunny day.

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 04:52 PM

Do you propose to apply sunscreen when indoors and no direct sun light comes through the windows? UVA rays going through the clouds will probably also go through the window and translucent curtains, no?

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 04:55 PM

I just apply my sunscreen in the morning after shower like I brush my teeth.

#11 Eva Victoria

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 05:43 PM

Do you propose to apply sunscreen when indoors and no direct sun light comes through the windows? UVA rays going through the clouds will probably also go through the window and translucent curtains, no?


Yes. UVA does go through window glass unless the glass surface is treated with special anti-UVA agent.
UVA does penetrate through your clothes as well.
Spot-lights inside your house, shops, fluorescent light like in night-clubs etc. emit UVA as well.

The wisest you can do today is to apply your sunscreen in a thick layer in the morning and reapply it frequently throughout the day.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 12:18 AM

ask your physician about grinding up ibuprofen or naproxen tablets then applying as sunscreen

Photodermatol Photoimmunol Photomed. 1990 Aug;7(4):153-8.Links
Photoprotective effect of topical anti-inflammatory agents against ultraviolet radiation-induced chronic skin damage in the hairless mouse.Bissett DL, Chatterjee R, Hannon DP.
Procter & Gamble Company, Miami Valley Laboratories, Cincinnati, Ohio 45239-8707.

Albino hairless mice (Skh:HR-1) exposed chronically to suberythemal doses of ultraviolet (UV) radiation display visible and histological alterations in the skin. One alteration is an increase in dermal cellularity, including inflammatory cells. This suggested a role for inflammation in chronic photodamage. We evaluated the photoprotective effect of topical hydrocortisone, ibuprofen, and naproxen against photodamage. All 3 agents protected against UVB radiation-induced visible wrinkling, tumor formation, and histological alterations. Hydrocortisone and naproxen were also evaluated for protection against UVA radiation-induced visible skin sagging and histological alterations. Both were very effective. These data indicate that chronic topical application of anti-inflammatory agents provides broad solar UV spectrum photoprotection.



ask your physician about grinding up ibuprofen or naproxen tablets then applying as sunscreen

Photodermatol Photoimmunol Photomed. 1990 Aug;7(4):153-8.Links
Photoprotective effect of topical anti-inflammatory agents against ultraviolet radiation-induced chronic skin damage in the hairless mouse.Bissett DL, Chatterjee R, Hannon DP.
Procter & Gamble Company, Miami Valley Laboratories, Cincinnati, Ohio 45239-8707.

Albino hairless mice (Skh:HR-1) exposed chronically to suberythemal doses of ultraviolet (UV) radiation display visible and histological alterations in the skin. One alteration is an increase in dermal cellularity, including inflammatory cells. This suggested a role for inflammation in chronic photodamage. We evaluated the photoprotective effect of topical hydrocortisone, ibuprofen, and naproxen against photodamage. All 3 agents protected against UVB radiation-induced visible wrinkling, tumor formation, and histological alterations. Hydrocortisone and naproxen were also evaluated for protection against UVA radiation-induced visible skin sagging and histological alterations. Both were very effective. These data indicate that chronic topical application of anti-inflammatory agents provides broad solar UV spectrum photoprotection.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 10:13 PM

Do you propose to apply sunscreen when indoors and no direct sun light comes through the windows? UVA rays going through the clouds will probably also go through the window and translucent curtains, no?


Yes. UVA does go through window glass unless the glass surface is treated with special anti-UVA agent.
UVA does penetrate through your clothes as well.
Spot-lights inside your house, shops, fluorescent light like in night-clubs etc. emit UVA as well.

The wisest you can do today is to apply your sunscreen in a thick layer in the morning and reapply it frequently throughout the day.


Spotlights too? Wow. What about computer screens? I thought I had saved myself from a lot of UVA damage during the time I spent in front of the computer, but that might be wrong? What about the lights that are so common in office building ands schools, do they emit UVA too?

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 09:55 PM

Does anyone make some kind of spray that you apply to windows to give it UV protection?
No one say sunscreen please......ha ha

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 12:31 AM

I'm thinking of ordering some do-it-yourself UV film for my car from these guys.
They use Llumar and Vista window film which are proven.
Pretty cheap also.

http://www.protint.com

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 07:26 AM

and oxybenzone and metabolites across the skin


Well oxybenzone is really really bad.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Oxybenzone

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 07:43 AM

I just apply my sunscreen in the morning after shower like I brush my teeth.

Do you reapply every two hours, or use a physical sunscreen like the metal oxides? If not, you may not be getting the protection that you think you are.

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 09:51 AM

and oxybenzone and metabolites across the skin


Well oxybenzone is really really bad.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Oxybenzone

Most European sunscreens don't have this ingredient, even the cheaper brands don't use it as far as I've seen.

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 11:34 AM

I just apply my sunscreen in the morning after shower like I brush my teeth.

Do you reapply every two hours, or use a physical sunscreen like the metal oxides? If not, you may not be getting the protection that you think you are.


I Use the LA ROCHE-POSAY ANTHELIOS XL FLUIDE EXTREME SPF 50+, no reapply (only if I stay out for several hours, rarely, in the afternoon/evening, I might do a 2nd application).

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 12:04 PM

I just apply my sunscreen in the morning after shower like I brush my teeth.

Do you reapply every two hours, or use a physical sunscreen like the metal oxides? If not, you may not be getting the protection that you think you are.


I Use the LA ROCHE-POSAY ANTHELIOS XL FLUIDE EXTREME SPF 50+, no reapply (only if I stay out for several hours, rarely, in the afternoon/evening, I might do a 2nd application).


Then you might like to read this:

Why reapply your sunscreen every 2h?

http://www.imminst.o...-2h-t20357.html

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 11:36 PM

Don´t worry kenj! We use the same photostable sunscreen. If you use photostable sunscreens there´s no need to reapply every two hours during the day (who would want to?!) if you´re not outside and sweating ,swimming and toweling it off. I rarely re-apply sunscreen on my face, only if I take another shower during the day (training etc).

I´d like to quote Eva Victoria herself from that "Why re-apply sunscreen every two hours" post:

"Octocrylene is a veery good and stable filter that stabilizes Avobenzone and OMC and Avobenzone are stabilized by the Tinosorb filters. Hence when you use a sunscreen bought in the EU and made by L`Oreal group or Nivea you should not worry much. (See attachment)."


I agree with what Eva is saying above, you shouldn´t worry much. Avobenzone stabilized by octocrylene and mexoryl SX/XL or the tinosorbs retain most of its UVA-protection after 5 hours.

Neutrogenas Helioplex technology and Aveeno also stabilize avobenzone. No need to reapply them every two hours either.

Edited by Fredrik, 28 July 2008 - 12:06 AM.


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Posted 28 July 2008 - 04:08 AM

among other things:

Sunscreen and Vitamin D


There is another major problem with sunscreen aside from the potential chemical toxicity and that is it blocks your skin's ability to make vitamin D by more than 95 percent. If you've been reading the site then you are familiar with the importance of having optimal vitamin D levels and know that regular sun exposure is the best way to achieve this.

Rather than burying your skin in sunscreen, it is clearly important to get regular sun exposure in order to have optimum health.


not true, or at least not that simple:

A recent study13 of 93 healthy young adults who were recruited from the University of Hawaii and a Honolulu skateboard shop, questioned the frequently suggested serum 25(OH)D “sufficiency” cut-off value of 75nmol/L. The investigators based recruitment of this convenience sample of prototypic “surfer dudes” (mean age 24 years, mean body-mass index 23.6 kg/m2) on a self-reported minimum outdoor sun exposure of 15 hours (mean 29 hours) per week during the preceding 3 months; 40% reported never using sunscreen and the group overall reported an average of 22.4 hours per week of unprotected sun exposure. All were clinically tanned. Nevertheless, the group’s mean 25(OH)D level, measured by 2 standard techniques (high-performance liquid chromatography and radioimmunoassay), was 79nmol/L, and 51% had a level below the suggested 75nmol/L cut-off for “sufficiency”.13 These data suggest that a public health goal of >75nmol/L for the entire population might be unachievable through sun exposure.

Although the much discussed epidemic of vitamin D insufficiency has been linked by some to the overuse of sunscreens, there is little or no evidence that this is the case, even if such an epidemic exists. Those population groups most likely to be vitamin D deficient (and presumably insufficient, if that term is accepted) are indeed unlikely to use sunscreens at all; these groups include inner city dark-skinned minorities, frail elderly who are often home-bound or institutionalized, and Middle Eastern women who wear the bourka, and therefore expose very little skin to the sun.

from http://www.skinthera...008/13.5/1.html


Avobenzone stabilized by octocrylene and mexoryl SX/XL or the tinosorbs retain most of its UVA-protection after 5 hours.

I guess it depends on how much you define as 'most'. For instance, the Octocrylene/Avobenzone/Mexoryl SX combo (used for example in Anthelios XS in the US) retains 100% of the UVB protection and 97% of the UVA protection after 1 hour, but 90% of UVB and 80% of UVA protection after 5 hours

Edited by skein, 28 July 2008 - 04:15 AM.


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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:53 AM

Avobenzone stabilized by octocrylene and mexoryl SX/XL or the tinosorbs retain most of its UVA-protection after 5 hours.

I guess it depends on how much you define as 'most'. For instance, the Octocrylene/Avobenzone/Mexoryl SX combo (used for example in Anthelios XS in the US) retains 100% of the UVB protection and 97% of the UVA protection after 1 hour, but 90% of UVB and 80% of UVA protection after 5 hours


Thank you for clarifying that with the exact numbers. I remember the graph showed about 80% protection at 5 hours.




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