I am trying to be polite in this moment, because I do feel good about the future of the nation and I don't want to be rude to the other side, after all this.
That said, luv2increase has posted quite a few extreme theories on the board and he continues to do so--you, at least have acknowledged some sort of possible good future under Obama, biknut, and have tried to show some sort of support, even if you have a lot of doubts. luv, instead, continues his unending stream of conspiracy theories. It is hard for us to take him seriously; we understand there are others who do not share our view, but luv's views are based in extreme fear of such a radical nature that it is hard for us to take him seriously or not get incredibly frustrated. It isn't that he is saying "Obama is inexperienced, so he won't be able to handle Russia" or "Obama isn't smart enough to help guide the nation through economic crisis" and give some strong arguments to support this. He is posting 1984 scenarios that are so off the radar that they fall into your "1.5 percent chance" category. Most of us don't want to discuss such outlandish ideas and after weeks and weeks of battles on those same fronts, we'd probably prefer: A) A few days of positive thinking, and B) Some discussions that fall more into the "40 to 70 percent chance of being accurate" category. It is just a level of discourse that is more plausible and interesting.
As for McCain, I can only speak for myself: Many of us feared as you feared of Obama--that he would lead us to destruction. His joke about "bomb bomb bomb Iran" could not be forgotten. No one should ever so nonchalantly joke about starting wars and taking away lives, especially a third war that could very well end the world. Please do try and understand it from our perspective; you may have thought we voted out of blind faith, but we felt that the opposing side did the same and as you could not understand how we could support a relatively inexperienced Obama, we could not understand how you could support a militant and unpredictable McCain, especially one who had chosen Palin (I think our fears of her are well known).
I don't want to hash out the pros and cons of all 4 candidates now; we've done it ad nauseum over the past month+. I am just trying to politely explain why: A) We are reacting so badly to luv. B) That your fears for Obama were not so dissimilar of our fears of McCain.
P.S.: Obama hasn't even announced any of his choices yet--transition team, cabinet positions, etc. Can we wait a few days to attack him (or debate his decisions) until they are, you know, actually made and are official? These would be valid topics of discussion--the stuff luv is posting is just random conspiracy theories, of the like of a King W (while some extreme leftists feared this possibility, most of us on the left wing rejected this idea much as we rejected the idea that 9/11 was the work of W and Cheney). Give us some credit--we attack our own wingnuts, so please stand up and fend off the radical ideas from your side of the camp, too.
Edited by suspire, 06 November 2008 - 04:54 AM.
