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#1 g3k_

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 05:48 PM


I've been lurking for the past 6 months with no real reason to register and post. I got pointed to nootropics from a 2600 article from last year and I've been interested in it ever since. I've experimented with Piracetam to no real effect besides very vidid dreams that I can remember (could never remember dreams) and a slight placebo effect in the very beginning of taking it. So I've decided today to amp it up a little bit and I've been shopping around.

What I've found is that Aniracetam does not seem to be readily available. I emailed Pete from Relentless and he mentioned that the FDA is blocking raw materials.

Does anyone know why this is occuring suddenly? I'm dissapointed because I've done the research and I want to get started. I'd also like to know what I can do as a taxpayer of this country to try and get this reversed. Since Pete also mentioned that Oxiracetam and Piracetam are running low in his stock and that I should order while supplies last, I can't help but wonder if these products will be nixxed as well.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:18 PM

Bulk nutrition is U.S. based but they source their racetams from China (mostly I think). I know they have Aniracetam, I've bought it from them before without issue. Aside from that it did nothing for me of course.

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#3 g3k_

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:36 PM

Bulk nutrition is U.S. based but they source their racetams from China (mostly I think). I know they have Aniracetam, I've bought it from them before without issue. Aside from that it did nothing for me of course.


Dennis from BulkNutrition confirms this.. waiting on more info from him, but it looks like the FDA is blocking raw materials D: He seems to be under the impression that the US is cracking down on nootropics.

edit: an order of piracetam got through alright.

Edited by g3k_, 17 November 2008 - 08:34 PM.


#4 g3k_

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 01:19 PM

Why would the FDA suddenly do this? I sent them an email, but I don't expect a reply. Does it have something to do with tainted products coming from China? Anybody have a clue?

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 05:21 PM

Why would the FDA suddenly do this? I sent them an email, but I don't expect a reply. Does it have something to do with tainted products coming from China? Anybody have a clue?


Good question. Your conjecture seems quite plausible. I do not think that the FDA is blocking nootropics in general. But it is very likely that, like you've just said, the FDA is blocking nootropic substances, like piracetam, from China because they have read reports about low/dangerous quality of these substances. Maybe it is related to the infamous milk powder case, which brought Chinese products in a bad international spotlight.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 05:40 PM

i'm getting conflicting reports. relentless is telling me that aniracetam is no longer allowed through customs while bulk nut. told me there's cleared customs and will be available next week. i spoke with both today.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 05:45 PM

i'm getting conflicting reports. relentless is telling me that aniracetam is no longer allowed through customs while bulk nut. told me there's cleared customs and will be available next week. i spoke with both today.


hrm.

#8 spider

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 05:47 PM

Yes, strange. Perhaps there is not a real blocking, but rather a long delay at the US-customs.

#9 g3k_

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 05:58 PM

Yes, strange. Perhaps there is not a real blocking, but rather a long delay at the US-customs.


What I sent him:

I've been looking to buy some Aniracetam from various vendors and I came to find out that the FDA has started to block raw material shipments to the US.

Are you guys affected as well? I notice that your Aniracetam is out of stock

This is what I got from Dennis on monday:

Yes this is VERY true. We have had 2 shipments already stopped and sent back to the supplier....very hard to get in. Dennis


Edited by g3k_, 19 November 2008 - 05:59 PM.


#10 solracselbor

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 05:51 AM

Why would the FDA suddenly do this? I sent them an email, but I don't expect a reply. Does it have something to do with tainted products coming from China? Anybody have a clue?


Good question. Your conjecture seems quite plausible. I do not think that the FDA is blocking nootropics in general. But it is very likely that, like you've just said, the FDA is blocking nootropic substances, like piracetam, from China because they have read reports about low/dangerous quality of these substances. Maybe it is related to the infamous milk powder case, which brought Chinese products in a bad international spotlight.



can you elaborate on the low/dangerous quality part??

#11 solracselbor

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 06:09 AM

hey can someone verify the date for this FDA Import Block release:

http://www.textfiles...gs/notp_fda.txt

P92-3 Food and Drug Administration
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> The Food and Drug Administration announced today it has issued an import
> alert against unapproved mail-order drugs promoted by six overseas companies.
> Many of these drugs are illegally advertised in periodicals and through
> direct mail, as foreign versions of approved prescription drugs. The
> promotion and distribution of unapproved drug products within the United
> States is illegal.
> "In some cases, the drugs are counterfeit -- lacking any real similarity
> to the approved drug. The uncertain character and quality of these drugs
> constitute an unreasonable risk to the public health," FDA Commissioner
> David A. Kessler, M.D., said.
>
> The import alert instructs FDA field offices to automatically detain all
> imported unapproved prescription products manufactured by six overseas
> companies which have promoted their products in this country. The companies
> cited are Interpharm, Inc., of Nassau, Bahamas; Northam Medication Service
> International Pharmacy of Nassau, Bahamas; Inhome Services of Delemont,
> Switzerland; International Products of Hannover, Germany; Azteca Trio
> Internacional, S.A. de C.V., of Zona Rio Tijuana, Mexico; and Interlab of
> London, England.
> These companies have been promoting a wide variety of products purported
> to treat various conditions, including depression, high blood pressure,
> fungal infections, fatigue, chronic bronchitis and hair loss.
> -MORE-
>
>
> Page 2, P92-3, Import Alert
> Many of the ads for these unapproved drugs claim that people can save
> money on the costs of prescription drugs, but in reality the drugs may pose
> a risk to the patient's health. Dr. Kessler said so-called "foreign
> versions" of prescription drugs are often of unknown quality with inadequate
> directions for use.
> For many years FDA has permitted -- and will continue to permit -- its
> field offices to exercise discretion regarding the release for entry into
> the United States of small "personal-use" quantities of drugs sold abroad
> but not approved in the United States -- provided that the drugs do not pose
> unreasonable safety risks, that their use is not promoted in the United
> States and that they are for a serious condition for which there is no
> satisfactory treatment available in this country. The policy was designed
> to give FDA field offices discretion to release small quantities of
> medicines with which individuals returning to the United States may have
> been treated while traveling abroad and to allow individuals with serious
> conditions the ability to import, under certain limited conditions,
> personal-use quantities of unapproved drugs that they believe might be
> helpful in treating their conditions.
> Personal-use quantities are generally considered to be amounts for a
> patient's treatment for three months or less. Imports involving larger
> quantities are not permitted as they lend themselves to commercialization.
> FDA approves drugs on the basis of scientific data proving them to be
> safe and effective. FDA-approved labeling provides information on how and
> when the drugs can be used to maximize their effectiveness and minimize
> their harmful side effects. The manufacturing facilities and procedures for
> approved products are also carefully regulated by FDA to ensure product
> integrity.
> -MORE-
>
>
> Page 3, P92-3, Import Alert
> The unapproved drugs promoted by these overseas operations lack these
> safeguards and quality assurance standards.
> Consumers should also be aware that the acquisition and use of
> prescription drugs without the valid prescription of a physician or other
> licensed health professional may violate state or local laws. FDA warns
> that severe adverse reactions, including death, can result from the improper
> use of prescription drugs.
> Persons with questions about importation of drugs for personal use
> should consult with their local FDA district office or the FDA Imports
> Operations Branch in Rockville, Md., at (301) 443-6553.
> The Food and Drug Administration is one of the eight Public Health
> Service agencies within HHS.

#12 Iam Empathy

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 08:05 AM

Why would the FDA suddenly do this? I sent them an email, but I don't expect a reply. Does it have something to do with tainted products coming from China? Anybody have a clue?


Maybe they're expanding the War on Drugs to nootropics.

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#13 g3k_

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 04:10 PM

Why would the FDA suddenly do this? I sent them an email, but I don't expect a reply. Does it have something to do with tainted products coming from China? Anybody have a clue?


Good question. Your conjecture seems quite plausible. I do not think that the FDA is blocking nootropics in general. But it is very likely that, like you've just said, the FDA is blocking nootropic substances, like piracetam, from China because they have read reports about low/dangerous quality of these substances. Maybe it is related to the infamous milk powder case, which brought Chinese products in a bad international spotlight.



can you elaborate on the low/dangerous quality part??


With all of the garbage coming out of China lately, I bet the US FDA officials are super vigilant about things coming in from China. A year ago it was the dog food, the tainted lead toys or the tainted toothpaste, this year its the melamine tainted milk. A lot of things are coming and a lot of things are full of fail. So by blocking, instead of addressing the actual problems, they get less tainted supply of whatever it is that is causing a scare atm, or anything else slightly related, so that they look like the good guys.

To answer the question above about the FDA release, I can't make heads or tails from anything the FDA releases, including its own website. It is very user-unfriendly.


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