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#1 rwac

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 08:01 AM


Hi Folks!

Here's my fairly large regimen built up trying to fight my Fatigue issues.
I never realized that it had grown to 40 supplements!

A lot of these were researched here at ImmInst.
Others (Minerals+Iodine, mainly) are from other forums.

Some of these are over the UL, but I've played with them,
and it seems like they really do help.

Here's what I use these for:

Zn & Vitamin A: Mood
Cu: Joints
Mn: Low blood sugar
I: Sub-clinical Hypothyroid

My Latest Theory is that I might have Lyme.
I must get tested one of these days.

(Thanks Funk!!)

Comments are always welcome.


Morning:
200mg Ca from Calcium Citrate OR MCHC
150mg Mg from Magnesium Malate
200mcg Chromium Polynicotinate
20mg Manganese
few drops of Jarrow BioSil OrthoSilicic Acid
30mg Zinc Mono-Methionine
200mcg Selenium from SeMC (every other day)
2x AOR orthocore
1x Jarrow Rhodiola
1x 250mg 80% Milk Thistle
500mg DLPA
2g Glutamine
250mg CDP-Choline OR 300mg AGP-Choline
250mg Niacinamide
300mg pantethine
50mg P5P
100mg Riboflavin
150mg Benfotiamine
800mg Folinic Acid
1000mcg Biotin
2x500g Vitamin C (Swanson)
1x Jarrow DHA (600mg DHA+EPA)
1g Borage Oil
1x Jarrow FamilE (60IU alpha-tocopherol)
20000IU Vitamin A + 800IU Vitamin D
400IU Vitamin D
1000mg MSM
1000mg TMG
25mg DHEA
2x12.5 mg Iodine/Iodide
4-6g of Diamond V XPC

Afternoon:
150mg Magnesium Malate
1x Jarrow B-Right
50mg P5P
1x CarnitAll
500mg glutamine
2x500g Vitamin C (Swanson)
2x12.5 mg Iodine/Iodide
1000mcg Methyl Cobalamin (sometimes)
5 mg Vinpocetine (still ramping up)

Night:
200mg Ca from Calcium Citrate OR MCHC
375mg Mg from Magnesium Taurate
30mg Zinc Mono-Methionine
2x2mg Copper
1x 5mg Lithium Orotate
200mcg Chromium Polynicotinate
500mg Arginine PyroGlutamate + 500mg Lysine
1000mg Tryptophan
1x 250mg 80% Milk Thistle
1x Jarrow Ashwagandha
2x500g Vitamin C (Swanson) 1:1 with Citrus Bioflavonoids
1000mg MSM
1000mcg Biotin
50mg P5P
1x Jarrow FamilE
1g Borage Oil
1x Jarrow DHA
4-6g of Diamond V XPC

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 11:36 PM

Vinpocetine? Maybe I just have a grudge because it made me sleepy, but this thread seems to corroborate its shittiness:

http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=23457

Also, you should probably take zinc and copper at different times in the day, as they compete for absorption.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 12:28 AM

Vinpocetine? Maybe I just have a grudge because it made me sleepy, but this thread seems to corroborate its shittiness:

http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=23457

Also, you should probably take zinc and copper at different times in the day, as they compete for absorption.



If you browse the abstracts below you'll see that there is research
showing memory improvement with vinpo in normal healthy volunteers.
I take it and don't feel sleepy at all.
I am also swayed by the fact that it improves both sight and hearing function.
How many nootropics do that?

http://www.aor.ca/ht...ducts.php?id=78

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 12:37 AM

Vinpocetine? Maybe I just have a grudge because it made me sleepy, but this thread seems to corroborate its shittiness:

http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=23457

Also, you should probably take zinc and copper at different times in the day, as they compete for absorption.


Thanks for the heads up over vinpocetine.
I'm not using it right now, and I'm considering dropping it.
I'll read the stuff in that thread sometime ...

Good point on the zinc/copper.
I knew this, but I figured I'm taking enough, that only some of it needs to be absorbed.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:02 PM

20000 IU Vitamin A


Do you take it in the form of Beta Carotene or straight Vitamin A (i.e, retinol palmitate) ???

I take both beta-carotene & vitamin A but I only take 1/2 tablet (2500 IU) of Dry Vitamin A every other day, skipping the weekends.

Taking 20000 IU Vitamin A is a lot, at least to me. As far as Beta Carotene is concerned, I take it on an as needed basis, usually not everyday.

(I take the Solgar brand of vitamin A)

Also, much $$$ does this regimen cost you, say, on a per month basis?

Thanks,

pycnogenol

Edited by pycnogenol, 15 December 2008 - 05:08 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:39 PM

20000 IU Vitamin A


Do you take it in the form of Beta Carotene or straight Vitamin A (i.e, retinol palmitate) ???

I take both beta-carotene & vitamin A but I only take 1/2 tablet (2500 IU) of Dry Vitamin A every other day, skipping the weekends.

Taking 20000 IU Vitamin A is a lot, at least to me. As far as Beta Carotene is concerned, I take it on an as needed basis, usually not everyday.

(I take the Solgar brand of vitamin A)

Also, much $ does this regimen cost you, say, on a per month basis?

Thanks,

pycnogenol


I take Carlson gelcaps (straight vitamin A + D).
I realize that 20000 IU/day is a lot. Its just that taking vitamin A makes me feel good.

I have no explanation for it other than boosting my immune system.

At last count, it was about $150/month.
But I've cut back since then.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 11:20 PM

I realize that 20000 IU/day is a lot. Its just that taking vitamin A makes me feel good.


Ok, but just be careful with that amount of vitamin A; taking beta-carotene is a safer alternative.

Unlike vitamin A, beta-carotene does not build up in the body, so it can be taken in larger amounts without the same risk.

Some of the symptoms of vitamin A toxicity are lasting headache, fatigue, muscle pain, joint pain, dry skin and lips, dry
or irritated eyes, nausea or diarrhea, and hair loss.

High dose vitamin A therapy should be monitored by a healthcare professional. You're choice, of course. :|?

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 11:36 PM

I realize that 20000 IU/day is a lot. Its just that taking vitamin A makes me feel good.


Ok, but just be careful with that amount of vitamin A; taking beta-carotene is a safer alternative.

Unlike vitamin A, beta-carotene does not build up in the body, so it can be taken in larger amounts without the same risk.

Some of the symptoms of vitamin A toxicity are lasting headache, fatigue, muscle pain, joint pain, dry skin and lips, dry
or irritated eyes, nausea or diarrhea, and hair loss.

High dose vitamin A therapy should be monitored by a healthcare professional. You're choice, of course. :|?



Unfortunately, beta carotene doesn't seem to have the same effect.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep an eye out for those symptoms.

I will ask my doctor about it. (I have a new supplement-friendly doc...)

Edited by rwac, 15 December 2008 - 11:47 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2008 - 11:52 PM

I realize that 20000 IU/day is a lot. Its just that taking vitamin A makes me feel good.


Ok, but just be careful with that amount of vitamin A; taking beta-carotene is a safer alternative.

Unlike vitamin A, beta-carotene does not build up in the body, so it can be taken in larger amounts without the same risk.

Some of the symptoms of vitamin A toxicity are lasting headache, fatigue, muscle pain, joint pain, dry skin and lips, dry
or irritated eyes, nausea or diarrhea, and hair loss.

High dose vitamin A therapy should be monitored by a healthcare professional. You're choice, of course. :|?



Maybe this is why I'm not feeling hypervitaminosis A.

from http://jn.nutrition....act/114/12/2256

Protective Effect of Taurine, Zinc and Tocopherol on Retinol-Induced Damage in Human Lymphoblastoid Cells
Cultured human lymphoblastoid cells exposed for short times to retinol and retinoic acid, undergo a time- and dose-dependent decrease in viability, accompanied by cell swelling. The presence of taurine (5–20 mM) and zinc (50–100 µM) protected cells from retinol-induced injury. Taurine 20 mM and zinc 100 µM and increased cell viability from 7 to 55%. Tocopherol (200 µ added simultaneously abolished cell swellingM) was also effective in protecting these cells from retinol. The three compounds together afforded complete protection.



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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:16 AM

I've been looking for a way to combat this fatigue myself. Tyrosine gives me good clean energy and motivation and I'm looking to try MACA and cordyceps next.

What led you to take copper? I take copper myself for connective tissue problems. I want to get tested for it but I can't seem to find a lab online I can order this from.

I read from the weston price website that the vitamin A/D ratio should be 10:1 in order to avoid toxiciy.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:49 AM

I've been looking for a way to combat this fatigue myself. Tyrosine gives me good clean energy and motivation and I'm looking to try MACA and cordyceps next.

What led you to take copper? I take copper myself for connective tissue problems. I want to get tested for it but I can't seem to find a lab online I can order this from.

I read from the weston price website that the vitamin A/D ratio should be 10:1 in order to avoid toxiciy.


Zinc works very well to improve my mood.
I took a fair bit of zinc, and started having some joint problems.
So I started taking copper.

Hmm, the ratio in the stuff I'm taking seems to be skewed artificially.
(added retinol palmitate)
I'll switch to plain cod liver oil next time.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:51 AM

I've been looking for a way to combat this fatigue myself. Tyrosine gives me good clean energy and motivation and I'm looking to try MACA and cordyceps next.

What led you to take copper? I take copper myself for connective tissue problems. I want to get tested for it but I can't seem to find a lab online I can order this from.

I read from the weston price website that the vitamin A/D ratio should be 10:1 in order to avoid toxiciy.


Do you know if you're an under-methylator ?
Have you tried SAMe ? (expensive but it works very well for me)

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 09:00 PM

Do you know if you're an under-methylator ?
Have you tried SAMe ? (expensive but it works very well for me)


I considered this so I bought TMG, folinic acid, B6 and methyl B-12 but I've been doing so many other things that I haven't given this a try. If I am under-methylating I should have high homocysteine, right? I'd like to get tested for this before I start on that protocol. In the meanwhile, I've been using 5 mg methyl B12 everyday and it seems to help.

I also read you can duplicate the effect of SAMe by using TMG and L-methionine but I haven't tried this.

Now that I remember, I did use the TMG a couple times and all it did was give me a bad headache. Any ideas?

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 01:45 AM

Do you know if you're an under-methylator ?
Have you tried SAMe ? (expensive but it works very well for me)


I considered this so I bought TMG, folinic acid, B6 and methyl B-12 but I've been doing so many other things that I haven't given this a try. If I am under-methylating I should have high homocysteine, right? I'd like to get tested for this before I start on that protocol. In the meanwhile, I've been using 5 mg methyl B12 everyday and it seems to help.

I also read you can duplicate the effect of SAMe by using TMG and L-methionine but I haven't tried this.

Now that I remember, I did use the TMG a couple times and all it did was give me a bad headache. Any ideas?


Well, I've tried taking TMG + Methionine, and it definitely doesn't have the same effect as taking SAMe.
TMG doesn't give me a headache or anything like that, but it doesn't do much.

SAMe just seems to give me energy all day.
YMMV, of course.

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 09:15 AM

20mg Manganese is way too much imo. the TOL is only 11mg, and its very readily available in the diet. i was surprised just how much i was getting after tracking my diet in cron-o-meter for a while.

http://lpi.oregonsta...rals/manganese/

Yet another example of “megadose mania,” for which the
evidence is disturbing if not yet conclusive, is the probable
neurological damage caused by excessive manganese
supplementation. It’s well-established that workers in
industries where inhaling manganese is common (such as
manganese miners and welders) are at greater risk for
neurological syndromes resembling Parkinson’s disease,
and animal studies clearly show that excessive manganese
intake leads to neurological damage.21 Furthermore, in a
study that compared the level of manganese present in the
drinking water in different communities with the rates of
neurological symptoms amongst their residents,22 it was
found that neurological symptoms were more common
amongst the elderly in high-manganese areas. (Another
study, however, did not report an association23).
But the best evidence that manganese oversupplementation
really is an issue worthy of our concern is
a study which compared the manganese intake from diet
and supplements of people with Parkinson’s disease with
those of people without the disease.24 The study found that
people with high dietary intake of manganese are about
70% more likely to fall prey to this neurological disorder
– and that the risk was further increased among people who
also consumed manganese-containing supplements, or who
also had a very high intake of iron.

It’s not clear exactly how much manganese is too much, in
large part because of the different bioavailabilities and
distribution in the body of manganese coming from fumes,
water, food, and supplements. And it’s hard to detect the
early symptoms of manganese excess, because they are so
nonspecific: loss of appetite, impaired reproduction,
anemia, and retarded growth in children.
A review of the evidence by the National Academy of
Sciences’ Institute of Medicine found that the lowest level of
total manganese intake at which suggestions of harm could
be documented was at manganese intake from diet of 15
milligrams; they cautiously suggest that the safe upper limit
of manganese consumption from all sources is 11 mg.25When
you consider that unusually manganese-rich diets can
contain between 6.325 and 826 milligrams of the mineral, the
idea of adding an additional five, ten, or even more
milligrams of manganese in the form of a badly-thoughtout
multivitamin becomes an increasingly


http://www.aor.ca/as...05_article1.pdf

Edited by ajnast4r, 17 December 2008 - 09:17 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2008 - 06:43 PM

I just found out that Vitamin A retunes the immune system towards Th2, and away from Th1.
I'm going to stop (or drastically reduce) taking vitamin A.

I've been looking for a way to combat this fatigue myself. Tyrosine gives me good clean energy and motivation and I'm looking to try MACA and cordyceps next.

What led you to take copper? I take copper myself for connective tissue problems. I want to get tested for it but I can't seem to find a lab online I can order this from.

I read from the weston price website that the vitamin A/D ratio should be 10:1 in order to avoid toxiciy.


Zinc works very well to improve my mood.
I took a fair bit of zinc, and started having some joint problems.
So I started taking copper.

Hmm, the ratio in the stuff I'm taking seems to be skewed artificially.
(added retinol palmitate)
I'll switch to plain cod liver oil next time.



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Posted 20 December 2008 - 07:07 PM

I mostly agree with you.
Only reason why I started taking manganese, is because I was having hypoglycemia issues.
Manganese helped.

Plus, I bet taking all the other minerals I take causes some sort of shortage of manganese.

It's time to cut it way down.

20mg Manganese is way too much imo. the TOL is only 11mg, and its very readily available in the diet. i was surprised just how much i was getting after tracking my diet in cron-o-meter for a while.

http://lpi.oregonsta...rals/manganese/

Yet another example of "megadose mania," for which the
evidence is disturbing if not yet conclusive, is the probable
neurological damage caused by excessive manganese
supplementation. It's well-established that workers in
industries where inhaling manganese is common (such as
manganese miners and welders) are at greater risk for
neurological syndromes resembling Parkinson's disease,
and animal studies clearly show that excessive manganese
intake leads to neurological damage.21 Furthermore, in a
study that compared the level of manganese present in the
drinking water in different communities with the rates of
neurological symptoms amongst their residents,22 it was
found that neurological symptoms were more common
amongst the elderly in high-manganese areas. (Another
study, however, did not report an association23).
But the best evidence that manganese oversupplementation
really is an issue worthy of our concern is
a study which compared the manganese intake from diet
and supplements of people with Parkinson's disease with
those of people without the disease.24 The study found that
people with high dietary intake of manganese are about
70% more likely to fall prey to this neurological disorder
– and that the risk was further increased among people who
also consumed manganese-containing supplements, or who
also had a very high intake of iron.

It's not clear exactly how much manganese is too much, in
large part because of the different bioavailabilities and
distribution in the body of manganese coming from fumes,
water, food, and supplements. And it's hard to detect the
early symptoms of manganese excess, because they are so
nonspecific: loss of appetite, impaired reproduction,
anemia, and retarded growth in children.
A review of the evidence by the National Academy of
Sciences' Institute of Medicine found that the lowest level of
total manganese intake at which suggestions of harm could
be documented was at manganese intake from diet of 15
milligrams; they cautiously suggest that the safe upper limit
of manganese consumption from all sources is 11 mg.25When
you consider that unusually manganese-rich diets can
contain between 6.325 and 826 milligrams of the mineral, the
idea of adding an additional five, ten, or even more
milligrams of manganese in the form of a badly-thoughtout
multivitamin becomes an increasingly


http://www.aor.ca/as...05_article1.pdf



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Posted 20 December 2008 - 08:22 PM

since you were so receptive ill offer some more constructive criticisms;

2x 12.5 milligrams of iodine? the TOL is 1.1mg and potassium iodide is very prevalent in the average diet. read through the provided link.

zinc seems a little high

250mg niacinimide is pointless... the SIR1 repressive effects of niacinimide are worth looking into

way too much retinol. 2500IU of retinol is about where you wanna cut off with any pre-formed vitamin A.

your total b6 intake is VERY high... youre taking in almost 200mg of p5p alone, + the 25mg pyridoxine in the b-right

are you taking your AA's with the rest of your supplements/food?
you're taking in a fair amount of folate. look into L-methylfolate-Metafolin

theres no need for that much vitamin E

100mg riboflavin makes very expensive urine

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 10:00 PM

since you were so receptive ill offer some more constructive criticisms;

2x 12.5 milligrams of iodine? the TOL is 1.1mg and potassium iodide is very prevalent in the average diet. read through the provided link.


If you look at the bottom of the link:

People living in the northern coastal regions of Japan, whose diets contain large amounts of seaweed, have been found to have iodine intakes ranging from 50,000 to 80,000 mcg (50-80 mg) of iodine/day (1).

Iodine can't be all that bad ...
I suspect I'm mildly hypothyroid. Iodine really seems to help me.

zinc seems a little high

Zinc really helps with my mood. I watch out for zinc overdose effects like nausea and stuff.

250mg niacinimide is pointless... the SIR1 repressive effects of niacinimide are worth looking into

This thread is why I started taking niacinamide. Hoping it'll help my memory.
I wonder if NAD will do the same thing.

way too much retinol. 2500IU of retinol is about where you wanna cut off with any pre-formed vitamin A.

retinol really makes me feel good. not sure why that is.
I'm still considering what to do with it.

your total b6 intake is VERY high... youre taking in almost 200mg of p5p alone, + the 25mg pyridoxine in the b-right

It's now down to 100mg p5p + b-right. I'll try reducing it to 50mg + b-right.

are you taking your AA's with the rest of your supplements/food?
you're taking in a fair amount of folate. look into L-methylfolate-Metafolin

What's an AA ?
Not taking additional folic acid now.

theres no need for that much vitamin E

Point. I'll try to cut it in half.

100mg riboflavin makes very expensive urine

Dropped the riboflavin.

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Posted 20 December 2008 - 10:22 PM

its interesting to me that you can actually FEEL the zinc and retinol.


AA


amino acid

Iodine can't be all that bad ...


bad logic. is 12.5mgx2 the minimum you need to feel an effect? has it changed your bloodwork?

Edited by ajnast4r, 20 December 2008 - 10:24 PM.


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Posted 20 December 2008 - 11:10 PM

People living in the northern coastal regions of Japan, whose diets contain large amounts of seaweed, have been found to have iodine intakes ranging from 50,000 to 80,000 mcg (50-80 mg) of iodine/day (1).

Iodine can't be all that bad ...
I suspect I'm mildly hypothyroid. Iodine really seems to help me.


Have you had your thyroid levels checked? Guessing that you may be hypothyroid isn't really the way to do it. Easy enough to test via bloodwork, although getting the proper free T3/T4 testing can sometimes be a pain from stubborn doctors.

Iodine may help some if you are hypo, unless you have Hashimoto's. Then it can make you worse.

Edited by nameless, 20 December 2008 - 11:10 PM.


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Posted 21 December 2008 - 12:17 AM

its interesting to me that you can actually FEEL the zinc and retinol.

AA


amino acid

Iodine can't be all that bad ...


bad logic. is 12.5mgx2 the minimum you need to feel an effect? has it changed your bloodwork?


Amino acids:

Glutamine, DLPA: with food.

Tryptophan: just before sleep.

I don't really have any bloodwork to indicate that im hypothyroid.
I'll probably get some tests soon. let's see how that works.
What other causes could a low body temperature (96.x F) have ?
Completely open to suggestions here.

I agree that it's very interesting that I can feel certain supplements.
I don't have an explanation.
All I know is, as I feel better as a whole, that sensitivity seems to be decreasing.

I can see zinc working as an anti-oxidant as part of SOD.
I still don't have a clue why I'd feel good taking retinol.
some sort of immune support ?

Edited by rwac, 21 December 2008 - 12:53 AM.


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Posted 21 December 2008 - 12:19 AM

People living in the northern coastal regions of Japan, whose diets contain large amounts of seaweed, have been found to have iodine intakes ranging from 50,000 to 80,000 mcg (50-80 mg) of iodine/day (1).

Iodine can't be all that bad ...
I suspect I'm mildly hypothyroid. Iodine really seems to help me.


Have you had your thyroid levels checked? Guessing that you may be hypothyroid isn't really the way to do it. Easy enough to test via bloodwork, although getting the proper free T3/T4 testing can sometimes be a pain from stubborn doctors.

Iodine may help some if you are hypo, unless you have Hashimoto's. Then it can make you worse.


Is there another possible explanation for low body temperature (96.x F) ?
I take 200mcg selenium to help with potential Hashimoto's.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 01:12 AM

Is there another possible explanation for low body temperature (96.x F) ?
I take 200mcg selenium to help with potential Hashimoto's.



It could simply be normal for you. Or you have a thyroid problem, or an adrenal problem. Or something else. Only way to know for certain is to get tested and see a doctor.

Selenium will help if you have elevated TPO antibodies, but not TGab. 200mcg is higher than I'd recommend, due to possible diabetes risk from high dose selenium. You may wish to check approx. how much selenium you get from your diet, then supplement extra if needed.

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 01:33 AM

Is there another possible explanation for low body temperature (96.x F) ?
I take 200mcg selenium to help with potential Hashimoto's.



It could simply be normal for you. Or you have a thyroid problem, or an adrenal problem. Or something else. Only way to know for certain is to get tested and see a doctor.

Selenium will help if you have elevated TPO antibodies, but not TGab. 200mcg is higher than I'd recommend, due to possible diabetes risk from high dose selenium. You may wish to check approx. how much selenium you get from your diet, then supplement extra if needed.


Hmm, I spose it could be an adrenal issue, especially with me having low DHEA (from blood test).
Maybe I'm fixing the wrong problem.

I'll drop the Selenium, and try reducing the Iodine.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 04:50 AM

Updated stack.

300mg Ca from Calcium Citrate OR MCHC
200mg Mg from Magnesium Malate
375mg Mg from Magnesium Taurate
400mcg Chromium Polynicotinate
50mg Zinc Gluconate
4mg Copper
5mg Lithium(from Orotate)
Few drops of BioSil Silicon
2x AOR orthocore
500mg DLPA
250mg CDP-Choline OR 300mg AGP-Choline
250mg Niacinamide
125mg Niacin
150mg pantethine
50mg P5P (equivalent to 33g B6)
300mg Benfotiamine
200mg Sulbutiamine
B-Complex (Jarrow B-right)
2g Vitamin C (Swanson)
2x Jarrow DHA (600mg DHA+EPA each)
2g Borage Oil
1x Jarrow FamilE (60IU alpha-tocopherol each)
10000IU Vitamin A + 800IU Vitamin D
2g MSM
50mg DHEA
12.5 mg Iodine/Iodide
10-12g of Diamond V XPC
1x CarnitAll (Carnitine + ALCAR)
500mg NAC
1000mcg Methyl Cobalamin (sometimes)
1000mg Tryptophan
Ashwagandha
Astragalus
Milk Thistle

1g D-Limonene for Acid-Reflux
Olive leaf, Echinacea for immune support.

Things I'm thinking about adding to my stack.

Low Dose Naltrexone
Colostrum
MK-4

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 05:12 AM

I'd add MK-7, melatonin, and more D3

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 05:27 AM

I'd add MK-7, melatonin, and more D3

MK-7:
I'm not convinced by the menaq7 site.
You can see my full response in the other thread.

Melatonin:
I have tried Melatonin, both instant, and delayed release.
I kinda dislike how melatonin feels.
Much prefer Tryptophan + Diamond V.

D3:
I'll have to think about it.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:29 AM

I'd add MK-7, melatonin, and more D3


Vitamin D suppresses the immune system.
I'm not sure how much I should take since I probably have Lyme.

Comments are always appreciated, though.

Edited by rwac, 23 December 2008 - 08:29 AM.


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Posted 23 December 2008 - 03:46 PM

I'd add MK-7, melatonin, and more D3


Vitamin D suppresses the immune system.
I'm not sure how much I should take since I probably have Lyme.

Comments are always appreciated, though.


Vitamin D in Lyme is fairly essential to prevent the development of autoimmunity which Lyme provokes in a variety of ways (intracellular forms, molecular mimicry, covers itself with host cell membrane when exiting a cell, purposeful induction / manipulation of various cytokines). Nothing is black or white young grasshopper! :)

Have you been listening to Trevor Marshall?




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