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Will Obama be our President?


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#31 biknut

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:22 AM

"The truth about Obama's birth certificate.

Summary

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

This statement seems false. The Hawaii officials have said nobody has been allowed to see Obama's bc ever and only Obama would be allowed to have it.


Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

We know they have it. What does it say is the question.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

This is fine and dandy but it doesn't necessarily mean Obama was born in Hawaii. All she seems to be saying is they have Obama's bc in their possession.


http://www.factcheck...in_the_usa.html

#32 sUper GeNius

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 05:54 AM

Uh oh! How's your Kenyan?


Edited by FuLL meMbeR, 30 December 2008 - 06:07 AM.


#33 biknut

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 06:46 AM

Uh oh! How's your Kenyan?


That's got about as much credibility as UFOs. I say just whip out the bc and it's over in 2 seconds.

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#34 FunkOdyssey

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 07:00 AM

Its over already, its a non-issue and it isn't going anywhere. Waste of breath, time, space, energy, manpower, and other resources. Give me and everyone that participated in this thread these precious moments of our life back. :)

#35 biknut

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 07:06 AM

Its over already, its a non-issue and it isn't going anywhere. Waste of breath, time, space, energy, manpower, and other resources. Give me and everyone that participated in this thread these precious moments of our life back. :)


Funk you should try and save us tax payers some money by calling the Supreme Court and telling them they need to forget about it.

#36 biknut

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 04:51 PM

These are the options as I see it.

1. Before the Supreme Court has a chance to look at this action Obama should order his bc out of hiding and let whoever have a look.
2. The Supreme Court takes a look and declares everything good.
3. The Supreme Court refuses to rule on the matter because of some technicality.
4. The Supreme Court looks at the bc and finds Obama can't be president.

The best thing would be number 1. That puts an end to it for good.

If number 2 that's still good but a lot of people will be thinking, what a lunk head. Why didn't he just show it in the first place?

If 3 then this issue will dog Obama forever. Personally this is what I think will happen.

If 4 then the East coast will be speaking Russian, the West coast Chinese, and Spanish in Texas. :)

#37 jackinbox

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 06:06 PM

Hawai officials confirm the authenticity of the certificate but you know, it's so easy to bribe an official.


What certificate would that be? The one on Obama's Webb site? I've never seen anywhere that an official has confirmed anything except they have a bc of some sort in Hawai. I don't think they've disclosed any details about it.


Here it is:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S..

Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.


http://www.chron.com...es/6088997.html

I don't know why I bother posting that since for you there will never have enough evidence. Even if we build a time machine and send you back to deliver the actual baby yourself, you will not believe it. You committed to the conspiracy and there is no turning back for you. Tell me, what would be sufficient evidence for you to stop making a fool of yourself?

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 06:20 PM

It is enough evidence for me. I am just saying why not let any journalist take a look. If I were prez, I would not want to waste time on far-out conspiracy theories, but this one seems so easy to dispel. Being more open is the best way to deflect critics. I would just give permission for any journalist or litigant to go see the birth certificate. I don't see the reason for so much secrecy - seems to just feed the conspiracies.

#39 biknut

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 06:42 PM

Hawai officials confirm the authenticity of the certificate but you know, it's so easy to bribe an official.


What certificate would that be? The one on Obama's Webb site? I've never seen anywhere that an official has confirmed anything except they have a bc of some sort in Hawai. I don't think they've disclosed any details about it.


Here it is:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Which state official said this? Where's the quote?

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Everyone knows this. Nobody is claiming they don't have Obama's original bc. The question is what kind of bc is it. Apparently Hawaii issues two different kinds of bc. One is where you are born in Hawaii, and one is where you might have been born somewhere else but are a naturalized US citizen. I think the distinction is between naturalized, or natural born. These State officials don't seem to be making any claims here one way or the other.

How about getting a State offiicial to clairify that they've looked at Obama's bc and it proves he's natural born? I don't see where anyone has done that yet.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

This statement doesn't clear up anything.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

This statement doesn't clear up anything either.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S..

Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.


http://www.chron.com...es/6088997.html

I don't know why I bother posting that since for you there will never have enough evidence. Even if we build a time machine and send you back to deliver the actual baby yourself, you will not believe it. You committed to the conspiracy and there is no turning back for you. Tell me, what would be sufficient evidence for you to stop making a fool of yourself?



#40 biknut

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 06:50 PM

Hawai officials confirm the authenticity of the certificate but you know, it's so easy to bribe an official.


What certificate would that be? The one on Obama's Webb site? I've never seen anywhere that an official has confirmed anything except they have a bc of some sort in Hawai. I don't think they've disclosed any details about it.


Here it is:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Which state official said this? Where's the quote?

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Everyone knows this. Nobody is claiming they don't have Obama's original bc. The question is what kind of bc is it. Apparently Hawaii issues two different kinds of bc. One is where you are born in Hawaii, and one is where you might have been born somewhere else but are a naturalized US citizen. I think the distinction is between naturalized, or natural born. These State officials don't seem to be making any claims here one way or the other.

How about getting a State offiicial to clairify that they've looked at Obama's bc and it proves he's natural born? I don't see where anyone has done that yet.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

This statement doesn't clear up anything.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

This statement doesn't clear up anything either.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S..

Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.


http://www.chron.com...es/6088997.html

I don't know why I bother posting that since for you there will never have enough evidence. Even if we build a time machine and send you back to deliver the actual baby yourself, you will not believe it. You committed to the conspiracy and there is no turning back for you. Tell me, what would be sufficient evidence for you to stop making a fool of yourself?


Keep in mind I'm not making any judgement about where Obama was born. I'm only pointing out there doesn't seem to have been any official disclosure about it. Until there is this question won't go away.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 08:20 PM

And the crazy train rolls on...

#42 HereInTheHole

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 08:49 PM

I didn't know we were so close to a revolution. I better pack.

#43 biknut

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 04:55 AM

I'm not sure who this guy (lady?) is. This seems to be a different case than the one in my first post. Why won't they just leave my president alone?

Wednesday, January 7, 2009

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts agreed to hear my case

Press Release from Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ01.07.09.

Good news,

Chief Justice John Roberts agreed to hear my case Lightfoot v Bowen, challenging eligibility for presidency of Barack Hussein Obama. He distributed the case to the full conference of the Supreme Court. The timing of this decision by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts, is absolutely remarkable. On January 7, one day before the January 8 vote by Congress and Senate, whether to approve or object to the electoral vote of Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, as president of the United States, Chief Justice Roberts is sending a message to them: "Hold on, not so fast, there is value in this case, read it. Hawaiian statue 338 allows Foreign Born children of Hawaiian Residents to obtain Hawaiian Birth Certificates, it allows one to get Hawaiian Certification of Life birth based on a statement of one relative only, without any corroborating evidence. You need to investigate, you need corroborating evidence. If only one Congressman or one Senator presents a written objection, then there has to be a formal investigation by the joint session of Congress and Senate. During this investigation original birth certificate from Hawaii will be subpoenaed. All other pertinent documents will be subpoenaed: Obama's immigration records, any and all passports from Indonesia, Kenya and Great Britain; University enrollment records, showing if he was enrolled in US schools and universities and received financial aid as a foreign exchange student from Indonesia or Kenya. All of it can be subpoenaed and obtained within a day or two. Each and every member of US Congress and Senate owes it to 320 million American citizens to do his due diligence and demand all necessary records. When American servicemen are told to risk their lives defending Constitution of this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic, each and every Congressman and each and every Senator can spend a day or two of their time defending this Constitution, reviewing necessary documents, in order to see if Barack Hussein Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, if he is a citizen at all." This is the message that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is sending to them, and if they are not listening, there has to be a massive petition drive to recall them. Truth will come out, no matter how many millions Obama is spending to hide it

No. 08A524
Title: Gail Lightfoot, et al., Applicants
v.
Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State

Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California
Case Nos.: (S168690)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dec 12 2008 Application (08A524) for a stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 17 2008 Application (08A524) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 29 2008 Application (08A524) refiled and submitted to The Chief Justice.
Jan 7 2009 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 23, 2009.


http://drorly.blogsp...court-john.html

#44 sUper GeNius

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 05:45 AM

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts agreed to hear my case


That's it. The end times are around the corner. Time to stock up on ammo, rations and a good dead-bolt.

One scenario. Obama is ruled ineligible, Supreme Court rules McCain is President, McCain has a heart attack and keels over when he hears the news, Sarah Palin steps up, becomes President. Sarah asks David Duke to be her VP.

And then come the zombies...

#45 biknut

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 06:22 AM

I don't really see the problem with having a Kenyan for president. None of the American ones we've had in my lifetime have set the world on fire. Except Bush. He set a lot of it on fire. :)

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 07:19 AM

Haha. You know, it's funny that none of the exact quotes say explicitly that "Yes, I have seen the birth certificate and it says Obama was born in Hawaii."

Why? Why do they instead keep saying "Yes, I have seen the birth certificate." That's useless information. That says nothing.

It certainly comes to mind that these people being quoted are trying to avoid being caught lying later on, so they could say "At no point did I say Obama was born in Hawaii; I just said I'd seen the birth certificate."

Yeah yeah, that one article says there's no doubt about it, but like biknut pointed out, where is the actual quote? How can it be so hard to squeeze an actual quote out of these people?

#47 biknut

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 07:51 AM

Yeah yeah, that one article says there's no doubt about it, but like biknut pointed out, where is the actual quote? How can it be so hard to squeeze an actual quote out of these people?


From the best I've been able to determine that quote came from a AP reporter.

It is kind of interesting that everyone makes it sound like they're saying something, but actually they're not saying anything.

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 10:10 AM

The weight of the evidence leans towards his birth in Kenya.


http://www.wnd.com/i...ew&pageId=79900

http://blog.barofint...ni.aspx?ref=rss

http://texasdarlin.w...ew-information/









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1K94ALlTA

Edited by tham, 15 January 2009 - 10:45 AM.


#49 Lazarus Long

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 10:19 PM

Bottom line answer to the question this thread poses; yes.

The SCOTUS will not hear Berg's case. In fact they said so earlier and no one bothered to post it here but more important I suggest that the actual definition of a *natural born citizen* has been totally ignored throughout this debate. The rule is based on who your parents are "OR" where you were born.

http://www.mcall.com...0,4963557.story

http://thebulletin.u...92160785321.txt

I suggest party favors are in order.

Or do you have the sulking skulking attitude of this blogger?

http://www.newswithv...vvy/kidd428.htm

BTW you do all realize the true secret is that Obama is Jewish not Muslim?

I thought that you all would have figured that little secret out a long time ago since we are so smart here at Imminst.

Barak is a Hebrew name, as in Ehud Barak the former Prime Minister, and current Defense Minister of Israel who happens to be in charge of the campaign in Gaza at this very moment.

Anyway everyone knows it is all a Jewish plot to dominate the world and whenever there is trouble the fault always lies with the Jews.

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 10:35 PM

Barak is a Hebrew name, as in Ehud Barak the former Prime Minister, and current Defense Minister of Israel who happens to be in charge of the campaign in Gaza at this very moment.

Anyway everyone knows it is all a Jewish plot to dominate the world and whenever there is trouble the fault always lies with the Jews.


LOL, I love reductio ad absurdum; throw an equally absurd conspiracy theory in the works just to screw with everybody.
Barak was the general in Judges under the leadership of Devorah who defeated the Assyrian general Sisra. I guess what his name really means is that those damned Assyrians don't stand a chance once Barak takes office. Barak is also Hebrew for "thunder". "Black Thunder in the White House" kind of sounds like the name of a porno.

Edited by PetaKiaRose, 16 January 2009 - 10:36 PM.


#51 Lazarus Long

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 06:51 PM

Can we all agree that this is a closed subject now?

And I am seriously glad Biknut didn't bet his life on the idea.

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Posted 20 January 2009 - 06:54 PM

Can we all agree that this is a closed subject now?

And I am seriously glad Biknut didn't bet his life on the idea.

I'm glad he didn't bet it either.

I think we can all agree this topic is officially closed.




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