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#61 TheFountain

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:27 PM

Do these individuals look healthy? They run a site called genefitnutrition.com. Seems like they've been on the 10-10-80 diet for a while. They are basking in the raw goodness of nature! I've posted them because they probably haven't fallen off the bandwagen and have stuck to raw eating for 20+ years (picture is evidence!). Most other raw foodists have probably benefited from falling off the bandwagen from time to time. Looks more like the high fructose content of their diet is causing their muscles to shrink and skin to be shredded by the sun. Posted Image


The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.

Edited by TheFountain, 18 April 2009 - 10:27 PM.


#62 TheFountain

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:30 PM

The one thing I am curious about though, halotek, is what is the average monthly expense of maintaining a raw food diet for a single individual? And how can someone make due on a budget of 250$ a month for food? It seems like raw foods are so expensive as to cost 100$ a week to maintain, at least.

Edited by TheFountain, 18 April 2009 - 10:31 PM.


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Posted 19 April 2009 - 01:52 AM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

#64 TheFountain

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 07:36 AM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg

Edited by TheFountain, 19 April 2009 - 07:37 AM.


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Posted 19 April 2009 - 07:54 PM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg


On the other hand, you never know when today's civilized world might just become tomorrow's nightmare. And even if that never happens, there are still less civilized times and places in our civilized world where muscle means not being seen as an easy mark. Somewhere between Bruce Lee and Steve Reeves is my goal.

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 08:44 PM

The one thing I am curious about though, halotek, is what is the average monthly expense of maintaining a raw food diet for a single individual? And how can someone make due on a budget of 250$ a month for food? It seems like raw foods are so expensive as to cost 100$ a week to maintain, at least.


Maintaining a Kitavan-style diet is not that expensive, low in AGEs, low in Meithionine, and low in fructose. I would say that you could also substitute some white rice for tubers because the majority of your vitamins would be coming from the greens and fish you consume. Overall, humans really don't needs tons and tons of vitamins to thrive.

A day of fish, coconut oil, tubers (and or white rice), greens, and a little fruit would barely set you back 5-8 dollars a day. It's the processed stuff and sugar that really messes you up and makes you require more nutrients to be healthy.

Of course I'd suggest supplementing with fat souble activators and not the b vitamins. Cod liver oil, k2, vitamin d, small amounts of vitamin e. A calcium supplement might also be advised if you don't eat boney fish or calcium rich veggies. Adding in some fermented foods from time to time is icing on the cake!

Here is a nice site that sums up the Kitavan diet:

http://www.staffanlindeberg.com/

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:35 PM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg


On the other hand, you never know when today's civilized world might just become tomorrow's nightmare. And even if that never happens, there are still less civilized times and places in our civilized world where muscle means not being seen as an easy mark. Somewhere between Bruce Lee and Steve Reeves is my goal.

lol if that ever happens dude, our muscles won't mean a damn thing. Trust that!

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:39 PM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg


On the other hand, you never know when today's civilized world might just become tomorrow's nightmare. And even if that never happens, there are still less civilized times and places in our civilized world where muscle means not being seen as an easy mark. Somewhere between Bruce Lee and Steve Reeves is my goal.

lol if that ever happens dude, our muscles won't mean a damn thing. Trust that!


I guess you've never been in a bad neighborhood. I suggest you keep it that way. I hope there are none in the future.

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:39 PM

The one thing I am curious about though, halotek, is what is the average monthly expense of maintaining a raw food diet for a single individual? And how can someone make due on a budget of 250$ a month for food? It seems like raw foods are so expensive as to cost 100$ a week to maintain, at least.


Maintaining a Kitavan-style diet is not that expensive, low in AGEs, low in Meithionine, and low in fructose. I would say that you could also substitute some white rice for tubers because the majority of your vitamins would be coming from the greens and fish you consume. Overall, humans really don't needs tons and tons of vitamins to thrive.

A day of fish, coconut oil, tubers (and or white rice), greens, and a little fruit would barely set you back 5-8 dollars a day. It's the processed stuff and sugar that really messes you up and makes you require more nutrients to be healthy.

Of course I'd suggest supplementing with fat souble activators and not the b vitamins. Cod liver oil, k2, vitamin d, small amounts of vitamin e. A calcium supplement might also be advised if you don't eat boney fish or calcium rich veggies. Adding in some fermented foods from time to time is icing on the cake!

Here is a nice site that sums up the Kitavan diet:

http://www.staffanlindeberg.com/


I will be studying this because If I do attempt to go totally raw I would need to know how not to have a caloric deficit, as I lift weights and do other assorted resistance training exercises.

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 11:10 PM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg


On the other hand, you never know when today's civilized world might just become tomorrow's nightmare. And even if that never happens, there are still less civilized times and places in our civilized world where muscle means not being seen as an easy mark. Somewhere between Bruce Lee and Steve Reeves is my goal.

lol if that ever happens dude, our muscles won't mean a damn thing. Trust that!


I guess you've never been in a bad neighborhood. I suggest you keep it that way. I hope there are none in the future.


Yea because 'muscle' will save you from an onslaught of bullets. lol

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 04:07 AM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.


I aspire to the Statue of David: Posted Image

Another point is image. Life extensionist can't brag about eating junk food. You're not allowed to be fat and pontificate about longevity; you'd be easily dismissed.

If LEers look like the above, people want to be like them. But I agree that physique can be over-down. The bodybuilder's physique as an image is over-the-top. I'm against it for the same reasons I'm against the fat one; you'll look like vain macho men who are nutters about health to other people.

P.S.
For the record I'm still overweight. I wouldn't speak about this till it's gone.

Edited by JackChristopher, 20 April 2009 - 04:10 AM.


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Posted 20 April 2009 - 04:41 PM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg


On the other hand, you never know when today's civilized world might just become tomorrow's nightmare. And even if that never happens, there are still less civilized times and places in our civilized world where muscle means not being seen as an easy mark. Somewhere between Bruce Lee and Steve Reeves is my goal.

lol if that ever happens dude, our muscles won't mean a damn thing. Trust that!


I guess you've never been in a bad neighborhood. I suggest you keep it that way. I hope there are none in the future.


Yea because 'muscle' will save you from an onslaught of bullets. lol


The vast majority of street conflicts aren't resolved with bullets. That's a good thing.

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 09:15 AM

The number one argument of the Paleo dieters will be that the guy here looks like he lacks sufficient muscle mass, which is a silly place to begin anyway. Who's to say that great muscle mass wasn't just an evolutionary cul de sac that ended in the Paleo epoch when agriculture and other such modern inventions took place. I am not saying that muscle isn't important. But to the degree most people here are espousing? I think not. Semi-muscular physiques are adequate and no profound need for muscle exists in todays larger civilized world. But just enough muscle to maintain proper posture, organ protection and bone density is necessary. I don't think it is the body builders physique, I think it is closer to the simmers physique.


It may be that muscle mass will be an evolutionary dead end, but at the moment, you still have the genes of your paleolithic ancestors. For humanity, the development of technology has outpaced evolution.

By the way, this man does not have a swimmer's physique. He looks soft and out of shape. Most paleo dieters do not want to look like bodybuilders, they want to look like the guys in this cross fit video:



Everything they do is for practical strength and health. They are not doing this to look a certain way.

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg


On the other hand, you never know when today's civilized world might just become tomorrow's nightmare. And even if that never happens, there are still less civilized times and places in our civilized world where muscle means not being seen as an easy mark. Somewhere between Bruce Lee and Steve Reeves is my goal.

lol if that ever happens dude, our muscles won't mean a damn thing. Trust that!


I guess you've never been in a bad neighborhood. I suggest you keep it that way. I hope there are none in the future.


Yea because 'muscle' will save you from an onslaught of bullets. lol


The vast majority of street conflicts aren't resolved with bullets. That's a good thing.

And the vast majority of the best fighters in the world are not huge muscle men. But this is a digression, let the discussion continue.

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 05:45 PM

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg

It probably also has a lot to do with your individual genetic configuration. For me, I would have a very hard time getting that small. I am fairly robustly framed for my height and put on mass (good or bad depending on what I eat and my activity level) very easily. Since I turned 20, I have not been below 185lbs. Most likely, anywhere between that video I posted and this photo you posted would be ideal for most people's physiques. The sad reality is that the general populace are no where near that in terms of health. According to CNN, 70% of the US will be obese or overweight by 2015. So in regards to the ideal physique, its kind of a moot point.

My body reflects the physical activities I enjoy. I also eat to support those activities. Beyond that, how I look is not really important.

And the vast majority of the best fighters in the world are not huge muscle men. But this is a digression, let the discussion continue.

I think we both know that is not exactly true. There are great fighters in all weight classes.

Edited by Skotkonung, 21 April 2009 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2009 - 06:04 PM

And even if that never happens, there are still less civilized times and places in our civilized world where muscle means not being seen as an easy mark.


This has certainly been my experience most of the time since becoming a fat mouth-breather. But, it only holds when the collective BAC is low. I've had a couple of times within the past year where some late 40s guy has too much alcohol and decides he wants to arm wrestle or see how far he can push the biggest guy in close proximity. It's actually quite annoying at that point.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 08:27 AM

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg

It probably also has a lot to do with your individual genetic configuration. For me, I would have a very hard time getting that small. I am fairly robustly framed for my height and put on mass (good or bad depending on what I eat and my activity level) very easily. Since I turned 20, I have not been below 185lbs. Most likely, anywhere between that video I posted and this photo you posted would be ideal for most people's physiques. The sad reality is that the general populace are no where near that in terms of health. According to CNN, 70% of the US will be obese or overweight by 2015. So in regards to the ideal physique, its kind of a moot point.

My body reflects the physical activities I enjoy. I also eat to support those activities. Beyond that, how I look is not really important.

And the vast majority of the best fighters in the world are not huge muscle men. But this is a digression, let the discussion continue.

I think we both know that is not exactly true. There are great fighters in all weight classes.


Well about point number one, I think if you are naturally thicker, then your results will naturally differ from someone who isn't. I am not suggesting you or anyone else with a naturally thick frame try to look smaller.

About point number two, I am not a fan of MMA or UFC (find it barbaric) but I have bore through a few shows with my brother, and even that, as a microcosmic example, reveals my point. Most of the winners tend to be smaller, or less muscular than their opponents (not saying all of them, just most). As another example you have the martial arts as well. Most shaolin monks (considered some of the best fighters in the world) are tiny, and in some cases emaciated, looking little men. Same applies to Aikido and Ju jitsu. Although I would say there are quite a few muscular ju Jitsu practioners, but they tend not to be the best fighters. Another case in point being boxing. If you look back through history Muhhamad Ali defeated many opponents who were much bigger and stronger than he was because he had a better cardio disposition and, perhaps, muscle endurance training regimen. Ali Versus foreman is an example.

Note: I am not a fan of boxing either, I am just aware of Ali and his historical precedents.

Edited by TheFountain, 22 April 2009 - 08:32 AM.


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Posted 08 August 2009 - 06:07 PM

Any new thoughts on this? I just recently got to know what's a RAW foodism and it kinda makes sense to me (on the level of my personal knowledge about diet, food, pieces of various studies, etc..).
The question I've asked myself many times (over the course of 8years of tweaking of my diet) is - "How X food is beneficial to me?".. I've eliminated many "usual" products answering it. Over that course I've actually was heading to the "RAW" diet without knowledge (by assesing the results). First there were sweets - I was a HEAVY duty addict, you wouldn't imagine what amount of sweet (various) foods I could eat in a hour (I'm lucky I have the genes not to get fat). I had major problems with acne in my teen years. Accidentally (after hearing 6, f*ckin 6 dermatologists, some of them prescribed me hormonal skin creams, that food DOES NOT cause acne) found that it was exactly the main trigger of it. Cut sweats in ONE day.. well like 70% of them. Acne started dissapearing the next day, like magic, after a good 4-5 years of torture and cluelesness. Experienced hard withdrawal symptoms, relapsed many times in first 3 years, but they went away step by step year after year, though until half a year ago there still were spontaneous cravings that were very hard to resist (but I did, most of them). I say until half a year ago, because approx. by that time I went like 70% "raw" without knowing (eliminated all the baked semi-sweats, all the processed semi-healthy foods I still eated from time to time, milk, various sauces, evan these called "No conservants", salt...).

It's too big list to name the things I eliminated, I can tell what's left - wheat, lean beef, chicken breast, fish, sallads, fruits, some grains (buckwheat, rice, not cooked, soaked) and occasionally bread (considering to get rid off it too, or eat just whole grain one. WUALLA - the PHYSICAL cravings STOPPED, all of a sudden, without thinking, one evening when I was hungry I saw a stack of chocolates and other sweets laying around (for guests) in the cupboard and felt just a TINY psychological eager to eat, but more like "..may be tasty, but.. Meh..'" lol. And believe me - this WAS significant for me as I know what a hell I came through when withdrawing from these sweets. BTW - my digestive system never worked better then now. No "drowsiness" after eating (even a lot. as a bodybuilder I eat a lot of these foods) 10 mins and you feel like you haven't eated at all (just not hungry and full of energy). Once I got a bad poisoning from fish. Before my second meal of some grains and chicken. After TWO hours (of this meal) I've decided to wash my stomach with water (vommit) and guess what - there were just a FLUIDS I've washed out, no unprocessed meat, anything.


Back to the RAW foodists, is it just my impressions or most of the ones I've already saw (in pics or vods on the internet) have very healthy glowing skin? Good looking, "bad" looking, "young"/"old", skin just glows. Some of them were just too good to believe, but as I'm reading further - most of them gives advice free of charge and doesn't try to "hook" you up on some products/creams/substances, which is a good sign in my book.

This really got me interesting. What is this all about (if it's true) - semi-CR diet? Lack of proteins (so a LOT better maintenance of them, like in these bats or mole rats)? Lack of AGE (maybe it's the most important factor in CR. You consume less - you get less AGE, less intracellular junk, more cleaning, better repairing, etc)? These "enzymes" (which I doubt, but most of these ppl aren't scientists, just persons who seemingly gets results they want, so it's understandable why some even goes far as "spiritual changes" explanations)?


At this phase (of life extension) I'm open to a lot of viewpoints. I even actually would consider more the opinion of a 60+ year old who looks like a 40 (hot one) or a guy who has flawless skin at the same age, then an old wrinkled scientist with one study on the hands (no offence to these guys, just another way of viewing things). I say this because there was so many actual experience VS scientific proof misalignments (for some time before actual proof comes) like - anabolic steroids. Everybody (that used) knew they are working, working wonders, and many scientists until late 80s claimed "There aren't any evidence that they actually work as said" untial actual studies were performed, etc..


It's not even "radical" (as many ppl thinks). What's "radical" about eliminatig food that's no benefit for your body? What's "radical" about not eating products that weren't around just a few hundred years ago and are merely a product of capitalism in a way of creating a meal that stimulates taste receptors to make a person feel good, to stimulate his dopamine system and make him buy these foods again? What's radical of not eating grilled stake (which is SO USUAL u think it's natural to eat one, because u've ate it for years, and millions do the same) if actually it's NO good for your body?
Not smoking is not radical anymore (because many pople does that), though not drinking alcohol (at all) is still considered pretty radical (as so many does that). When in reality it's the same as smoking - you DON'T NEED IT to function, to make your cells turn over, to build healthy new cells, you just DON'T.




Meat, I'm sure human isn't suited to eat meat (after being a hard headed pro meat enthusiast for many years) as no animal processes/cooks/boils/grills of these that eat meat in the nature, though I still eat it (as I need it for my sports), but I'm get surer and surer that it's an alien food for homo sapiens no matter what anybody says. The fact that some of the early ppl couldn't eat plants in the cold areas of the world doesn't mean their genome was suited to processing meat, they just wandered too far away from their origins/the place that was most proper for them to live.

Edited by VidX, 08 August 2009 - 06:19 PM.


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Posted 09 August 2009 - 12:51 AM

Oops, I wrote "wheat" instead of "whey".

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 02:09 PM

I didn't say that man looked the healthiest or most 'fit'. If the guys you are referring to in that video are the more muscular ones, then I still don't think that much muscle is necessary in todays civilized world. I would say this is an adequate amount to cope with the internal and external physical dilemmas we deal with daily (which is about how much muscle I have).

http://www.maniacwor...Lee-Photo-2.jpg

It probably also has a lot to do with your individual genetic configuration. For me, I would have a very hard time getting that small. I am fairly robustly framed for my height and put on mass (good or bad depending on what I eat and my activity level) very easily. Since I turned 20, I have not been below 185lbs. Most likely, anywhere between that video I posted and this photo you posted would be ideal for most people's physiques. The sad reality is that the general populace are no where near that in terms of health. According to CNN, 70% of the US will be obese or overweight by 2015. So in regards to the ideal physique, its kind of a moot point.

My body reflects the physical activities I enjoy. I also eat to support those activities. Beyond that, how I look is not really important.

And the vast majority of the best fighters in the world are not huge muscle men. But this is a digression, let the discussion continue.

I think we both know that is not exactly true. There are great fighters in all weight classes.


Well about point number one, I think if you are naturally thicker, then your results will naturally differ from someone who isn't. I am not suggesting you or anyone else with a naturally thick frame try to look smaller.

About point number two, I am not a fan of MMA or UFC (find it barbaric) but I have bore through a few shows with my brother, and even that, as a microcosmic example, reveals my point. Most of the winners tend to be smaller, or less muscular than their opponents (not saying all of them, just most). As another example you have the martial arts as well. Most shaolin monks (considered some of the best fighters in the world) are tiny, and in some cases emaciated, looking little men. Same applies to Aikido and Ju jitsu. Although I would say there are quite a few muscular ju Jitsu practioners, but they tend not to be the best fighters. Another case in point being boxing. If you look back through history Muhhamad Ali defeated many opponents who were much bigger and stronger than he was because he had a better cardio disposition and, perhaps, muscle endurance training regimen. Ali Versus foreman is an example.

Note: I am not a fan of boxing either, I am just aware of Ali and his historical precedents.




I watch a lot of UFC and I can tell you that muscularity has nothing to doing with fighting ability. There are good fighters that are muscular and good fighters that are not muscular.

Case in point. The best 170 lb fighter in the world is very muscular - Georges St. Pierre. The best heavy weight fighter in the world (though very small for a heavyweight at around 220) , has a pot belly. He moves as fast as lightning though.

Georges St. Pierre: http://www.mmapasspo...03/stpierre.jpg


Fedor Pic: http://www.fighttime...fliction2-7.jpg

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Posted 16 June 2021 - 06:50 PM

We need to start fortifying ALL foods (and water) with ALL the essential nutrients in high doses ASAP. 

 

The healthiest diet is the one you grow yourself.


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Posted 23 September 2021 - 07:33 PM

I believe that any food can be healthy. The main thing is to cook it correctly. By the way, here https://how-to-boil....to-boil-shrimp/ there is an article on how to do this.



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Posted 09 September 2023 - 11:15 AM

After reviewing data and discussion for a couple of decades now, it seems the overall key to a healthy diet and longevity is less calories (and the macronutrient mix is secondary)

 

Here is an interesting presentation about the history of low fat and low carb diets: 

 

Both extreme diets have positive data (and rationale) to support them. The problem is that the most enjoyable diet is a mix of carbs/fat/protein. Extreme diets (especially extremely low fat) are hard to stick to. Right now, I opt for intermittent fasting, which keeps my calories low while I eat a wide spectrum of food and and enjoyable mix of macronutrients.






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