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#1 Vgamer1

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 11:35 PM


Basically, I'm trying to get into the AI field. I'm a Cognitive Science major at UCLA and I'm planning to graduate March of 2010.

I'm interested in singularity and also AGI. I've done a bit of research and gone job hunting for those kinds of jobs, but I really haven't found what I'm looking for yet. My dream would be to work with someone like Ben Goertzel, but I'm pretty sure that's unrealistic (please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

I've gone to my school's career center to see if they could help me find what I am looking for, but they were not too helpful. I found one company that works with speech recognition/natural language processing software, which was cool. There were two problems with that.
1) They were not working on AGI
2) They didn't hire me, lol

Modelcadet has told me about Teme (http://temetics.org/...teme-foundation), which is an orgranization that will help get undergrads involved in singularity-related research, however the Teme project is still under way, so I'm seeking other options for now. Plus, I won't be an undergrad for all that much longer.

Regular job hunting, my school, and imminst have not been able to help me so far. So I'm asking the general imminst populace: Do you know of any AI opportunities/companies/projects that a 22 year old with a Cognitive Science degree could get involved with? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I thought about e-mailing Ray Kurzweil/Ben Goertzel directly, but I doubt I'd get a response and I wouldn't really know what to say without sounding like an idiot to them.

#2 brokenportal

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 11:55 PM

You can look through the opportunities at SIAI, Novamente, and places like those, but we have a huge opening, a major need for such ambitions here. I hope we can convince you into looking seriously and deeply into teme. At the most it will be the broad work that Paul has been working on, at the least it will be a fund for students who need money to help with projects like possibly those at SIAI and Novamente.

You wont have to be an undergrad to help coordinate this.

#3 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 01:14 AM

Basically, I'm trying to get into the AI field. I'm a Cognitive Science major at UCLA and I'm planning to graduate March of 2010.

I'm interested in singularity and also AGI. I've done a bit of research and gone job hunting for those kinds of jobs, but I really haven't found what I'm looking for yet. My dream would be to work with someone like Ben Goertzel, but I'm pretty sure that's unrealistic (please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

I've gone to my school's career center to see if they could help me find what I am looking for, but they were not too helpful. I found one company that works with speech recognition/natural language processing software, which was cool. There were two problems with that.
1) They were not working on AGI
2) They didn't hire me, lol

Modelcadet has told me about Teme (http://temetics.org/...teme-foundation), which is an orgranization that will help get undergrads involved in singularity-related research, however the Teme project is still under way, so I'm seeking other options for now. Plus, I won't be an undergrad for all that much longer.

Regular job hunting, my school, and imminst have not been able to help me so far. So I'm asking the general imminst populace: Do you know of any AI opportunities/companies/projects that a 22 year old with a Cognitive Science degree could get involved with? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I thought about e-mailing Ray Kurzweil/Ben Goertzel directly, but I doubt I'd get a response and I wouldn't really know what to say without sounding like an idiot to them.


Have you considered going to grad school?

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#4 Vgamer1

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 05:53 AM

Have you considered going to grad school?


Yes, but in my mind it's not worth it to pay thousands or tens of thousands of dollars to learn what I already know or could learn in the field. College was 60% a waste of time for me, and I don't want to repeat that.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 07:05 PM

Have you considered going to grad school?


Yes, but in my mind it's not worth it to pay thousands or tens of thousands of dollars to learn what I already know or could learn in the field. College was 60% a waste of time for me, and I don't want to repeat that.


hello again... and welcome. there are other directors(brokenportal) and navigators who can and will help with your interest in involvement in the cause. a great gateway is to, whenever you want, join the ustream show and i can use that as a topic. that is what the show is hoping to be. a meeting place for the directors and everyone else to help share their information and expertise via LIVE streaming video... the more we reach and the more people see this science and realize that a botonist and a geologist and futurist and whatever else, their studies are all involved in life extension; past, present and future....

#6 RighteousReason

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 12:44 PM

If you want to get involved in the AI field, go get your PhD in AI.

#7 John Schloendorn

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 02:13 AM

P.S. I thought about e-mailing Ray Kurzweil/Ben Goertzel directly, but I doubt I'd get a response and I wouldn't really know what to say without sounding like an idiot to them.

That's exactly what you need to do, preferably before they browse these forums and see your admission of your completely baseless inhibitions :-)

#8 modelcadet

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:12 AM

Basically, I'm trying to get into the AI field. I'm a Cognitive Science major at UCLA and I'm planning to graduate March of 2010.

I'm interested in singularity and also AGI. I've done a bit of research and gone job hunting for those kinds of jobs, but I really haven't found what I'm looking for yet. My dream would be to work with someone like Ben Goertzel, but I'm pretty sure that's unrealistic (please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

I've gone to my school's career center to see if they could help me find what I am looking for, but they were not too helpful. I found one company that works with speech recognition/natural language processing software, which was cool. There were two problems with that.
1) They were not working on AGI
2) They didn't hire me, lol

Modelcadet has told me about Teme (http://temetics.org/...teme-foundation), which is an orgranization that will help get undergrads involved in singularity-related research, however the Teme project is still under way, so I'm seeking other options for now. Plus, I won't be an undergrad for all that much longer.

Regular job hunting, my school, and imminst have not been able to help me so far. So I'm asking the general imminst populace: Do you know of any AI opportunities/companies/projects that a 22 year old with a Cognitive Science degree could get involved with? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I thought about e-mailing Ray Kurzweil/Ben Goertzel directly, but I doubt I'd get a response and I wouldn't really know what to say without sounding like an idiot to them.


Vgamer1 and I share similar goals; frankly, there's little opportunity for people like us to get involved. Emailing Kurzweil or Goertzel won't amount to anything: These guys feel they're smart enough to achieve a singularity on their own (or only with the help of coders more capable than we could ever be).

It is, frankly, too late to pursue an advanced degree. Grad school may be a worthwhile, but only in providing an opportunity to do research. By the time you're able to secure a PhD, to get your foot in the door to the community of transhumanist researchers, the Singularity will have already happened. Also, I have found academic opportunity lacking because of its conservatism: Professors become intimidated in their ignorance.

I believe the best way to enter the AGI field in a relevant way is to build a community we can leverage. Each of us has nothing we can offer the Dr. Goertzels of the world, but together we can attract their attention. Teme exists to support young scientists like us; I will seek to assist you in any way I can.

I'd be willing to lick toilets to work at Novamente LLC, but such institutions are strapped for cash, and you're unlikely to find any opportunities thrseeks to promote applied research, ough them. You have to bring something to the table. Volunteers abound, but these people are looking for skilled help. You must demonstrate value to these people, which is an enormous challenge. Their greatest need, from my experience, is in organizing this abundance of volunteer help in a meaningful way. Nothing is going to fall into your lap; we have to work increasingly diligently to even be seen as these memes enter the mainstream.

Building Teme into sustainability seems the most viable route. I too, am interested in other avenues, but in my experience, worthwhile opportunities do not exist. Join http://temetics.org to create our own opportunity.

#9 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 01:45 AM

It is, frankly, too late to pursue an advanced degree. Grad school may be a worthwhile, but only in providing an opportunity to do research. By the time you're able to secure a PhD, to get your foot in the door to the community of transhumanist researchers, the Singularity will have already happened.


Grad school may seem to last forever, but there's no way we're going to have human level AI that soon. I'd guess it's at least fifty years off.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 02:04 AM

It is, frankly, too late to pursue an advanced degree. Grad school may be a worthwhile, but only in providing an opportunity to do research. By the time you're able to secure a PhD, to get your foot in the door to the community of transhumanist researchers, the Singularity will have already happened.


Grad school may seem to last forever, but there's no way we're going to have human level AI that soon. I'd guess it's at least fifty years off.

Yeah being all apocalyptic about it is pointless. You will just drive yourself crazy. Be realistic, if you want to get into the AI field, get a PhD in AI.




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