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Why religion was invented...


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#61 johnross47

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 09:58 PM

Whoever coded shadowhawk 0.9 beta is quite an impressive programmer, however I doubt it could come anywhere near passing a turing test. I'd suggest integrating public facebook databank correspondence so that it becomes less repetitive.


They could also get it to use terms like "logical fallacy" only where it is refering to a putatatively logical, but wrong, argument. The mechanical reiteration of it's three stock responses, often one after the other and without any attempt at logical analysis does tend to give the game away.

I assumed you guys knew what I am talking about. Here is one of many sources on Logical Fallacies I have.Read and it will soon become obvious what I am talking about. http://www.nizkor.or...ures/fallacies/

Where is the evidence? None


Once again it is just quoting someone else. It's library of stock responses is really quite limited. This is just a fairly simple summary of the ordinary definition of logical fallacies as given to first term first year students, but it doesn't justify the use this low grade AI is making of the term. It doesn't seem to be able to distinguish a comment from an argument. Perhaps it just assumes all posts are arguments.

#62 steampoweredgod

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:44 AM

Religion gives people a false sense of hope. Pray and god will come save you from your debt, disease, whatever. No! Go get a job and some healthcare and you will save YOURSELF. You control your own destiny, not some mysterious all powerful God.

Discuss.

This is so true, and also extends to the societal level, for the love of god invest time and resources in R&D to improve the sustainable growth of the economy and medical care technologies. Diseases aren't going to be curing themselves all on their own, we ain't getting to mars through prayer but through nasa(or some private venture or other nation's space program, etc= effort or venture, bootstraps).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIZU8cQWXc

You are talking about micro evolution, that I accept and is well established, but I´m talking of macro evolution a very problematic theory.

Repeating what already has been said in the thread:

Look at dogs for all practical purposes that is directed macro evolution, the different breeds may be able to interbreed up to a point, but it probably could be dangerous for the animals. A very small change would render two separate populations unable to produce viable offspring thus separating them into distinct species irregardless of similarity. Even simple genetic drift given time may be enough.

Corn also has a history of selected manipulation by humans.

And humans are called sometimes the self-domesticated animal.

Again basically all traits from behavior(dogs, rats, silver fox docility aggresiveness experiments), to size, to flavor, to color, longevity*(see fruit fly experiments),etc. All of these have been made to change by man DRASTICALLY. So selection, even drift may allow quite large changes to occur over time in some cases. And it likely only takes a certain level of change before the gene sequences become truly incompatible and block or choke the possibility of interbreeding.

There is some species of iguana or lizard or something like that that lived around a group of islands wherein they could all breed with neighboring islands but not distant ones(though there was a connected line of interbreeding capability inbetween by populations of lizards, think it may've been anolis lizards, or maybe I'm misremembering things).

#63 NewMan

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

I am an advocate of a true morality based upon measurable things, Instead of obey authority, which is what religion and allowing someone to tell you what god commands gets you. Rather than seeing the world as black and white try understanding how likely something is. For instance may be giving all your money to build beautiful churches won’t get you into heaven. Religion is just to preach a sanity society which can also be achieved if humans love themselves that should be the major reasons.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 12:23 PM

I pray to the holy ghost to spook me, rearrange my chairs and bless a foodball team. Now if you'll excuse me I'll talk to myself for a bit. Works better in a gloomy stone building. Hey me! Hi. Hey could you do me a favor and smite heathens into the pit of burning eternal despair. Thanks me. We're a good team. *high fives self*

Edited by hooter, 05 July 2012 - 12:24 PM.


#65 arska

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 03:11 PM

Religion was not invented rather than it has been a part of human cultural evolution.

In neolithic times religions was a integral part of a culture with the following functions:
- to differenciate the tribe from others "us-others"
- to maintain agricultural knowledge(rain, seasons, draught, when to grow) and pass it to next generations.
- to define tribe´s leader - shaman.
- to explain tribe´s fate and place in the universe
- to explain death and birth and other natural phenomenon
- to convey healing related rites


Does a religion need a god? Which one was first, god or religion? IMHO god concept is rather recent in our cultural evolution and it was not coneptualized as we do it today.

Religion might have promoted a new way of information derivation by adopting the use of entheogens. This could have lead to born of different daities as a bias in our coneptual processes.

Then there is the question of why one über-deity (monotheistic) and not polytheistic.
The evolution of this division can be seen in pre-judeochristian cultures where godhead was formed by a deity female-male couple, which finally got reduced to a male-god in later judeochristian cultures.

So I conclude that religion was not invented rather than a part of a dynamical cultural evolution, which intends to explain the unknown features of the humanity and nature. These unknown features of nature we currently try to explain with a logical process called scientific observation. By the way, congrats CERN for finding the Higgs Boson !

Edited by arska, 05 July 2012 - 03:17 PM.

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#66 sanpedro72

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:23 AM

Despite the age of this original post...You know what? These very thoughts - in fact all of them - had been floating regularly inside my head for the last few weeks. It's some kind of enlightenment that has come since I jumped the theism hurdle back when I lived in Turkey.2 years ago. It's interesting being a non-theist (I don't like the label "athiest" for some reason) living in the Muslim world. Cheers!




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