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[bacopa]

I was over at SENS forums, at the website, and I realized it's like 6 people brainstorming a probably multi multi billion dollar project that has to occur, for most of us, ASAP, or game is over.

So sorry to be so blunt, but we simply have little time.

SENS needs people, imo, to help out with marketing and fundraising, which will make or brake whether SENS even gets off the ground at all, within 20-50 years, as were Aubrey's guesstimates.

So if anyone wants to brainstorm, just go to SENS.org and join, like in any other forum. There are so many intelligent people here, it would be a shame not to use all the brain power we can get.

Edited by dfowler, 13 September 2010 - 06:34 PM.

[robomoon]

Your suggestion in this thread: if SENS receives more intelligent brainstorming, the chance for longevity will increase. Reason: no other notable organization in here but SENS (incl. Methuselah Foundation) working directly on the eternal lifespan.

Here's a problem: oh, forgot it, because I'm somehow senile. Oops, now I see another problem: it's my slightly senile memory because of aging. Say what.

You know there are these advocacy groups for Alzheimer's and further mental aging abetted diseases that makes someone like me forget to eat burgers. Not so bad, but later it makes me forget to drink my beer. Not bad, but later it makes me forget how to tell about my impression why there should be more smart brainstorming on SENS forums.

So you see that forgetting accumulates with aging. Before you even notice, it's too late. Of cause, the subjective experience is often the main reason to avoid burgers and beer. Just gimme a free trial package of brainfood pills now and I might get happy without some unhealthy beverage - a request which brings you back on the supplements track.

It's also subjective experience professional marketing is working with. For e.g., robomoon as a happy consumer of ad-sponsored forum experience. Would robomoon be happy to post messages to a forum that mainly provides advocacy for healthy retirement? That means, no topics like the seven complicated causes of aging, but real no-brainers like one hypothetical easy-to-take brainfood pill for senior citizens who want to retire as early as age 65 without further ado.

All this means no bioscience, but also nobody around freaking out on economic case studies about many seniors who will still be healthy on their 100th birthday. So they will be retirees for their previous 35 years while being mostly healthy. In the envisioned case, billions of Centenarians who got retired as early as age 65 will have paid no payroll taxes for 35 years despite of being able to work quite often enough during such a period of time. How will longevity endorsing organizations next to SENS deal with that?

Edited by robomoon, 23 September 2010 - 12:41 PM.

[GabrielPaparella]

Here's what I think will happen.

Once the concept of physical aging is decoupled from the concept of chronological age, the logical thing to do would be to increase Social Security Disability benefits and get rid of Social Security Retirement. People would qualify for SSDI if they're frail or disabled, whether from age-related decline or not.

It would be logical, but politically difficult. So there would probably have to be some sort of payout scheme when the change had to happen. People could opt out of their social security to get a credit towards longevity treatments while they're still expensive, which the government would be collectively bargaining for a good price on. And those people would be leaving the rolls under the understanding that should they become frail eventually, then they're covered under SSDI.

Those who opt out would be people who really do want to die from declining physical health, and the wealthy who think that the government will honor its promise to those few social security retirees who can afford longevity treatments on their own dime long enough for a perpetual annuity of this sort to be worth the up-front cost. And for those who are not independently wealthy, the longevity bond market, speculating on the US Government's likelihood to honor its promise, would also likely offer these swaps as OTC instruments if the government didn't offer enough credit towards longevity treatments. But the government probably could beat the longevity market simply because of its bargaining power in obtaining the treatments, and so would be the preferred choice.

[robomoon]

Opting out of social security seems to be not easy going for poor people. So there must be a kind of guarantee or insurance to get social security back for those cases where longevity treatment would not work as good as expected, for e.g., someone has an allergy against an aging intervention drug which a longevity treatment is based upon. Social security lost and retirement lost makes more losses than before if not fully compensated by increasing longevity and health.

Edited by robomoon, 03 December 2010 - 09:30 PM.

[nanothan]

I was over at SENS forums, at the website, and I realized it's like 6 people brainstorming a probably multi multi billion dollar project that has to occur, for most of us, ASAP, or game is over.

So sorry to be so blunt, but we simply have little time.

Exactly. This is why ImmInst needs to make a big push towards making cryonics or cryostasis a working reality, if you check out the cryonics forums and check out the brainstorm thread you can see there are a lot of new technologies which could make cyronics work flawlessly within 10 years.

[robomoon]

So far it looks like there (quotations below) are mostly the results of brainstorming for more scientific research on cryoprotection. This indicates measures for tissue storage under an extreme - but already applied temperature reduction. Much freezing and not enough detailed information about chemical fixation.

Although the discussion over there was very promising, espc. in terms of cell wall penetration, it turned into a brainstorming that mostly favored the business plan of a major cryoprotectant producer, not much more.

So if you are not so blunt and poor like me, better keep on brainstorming at http://sens.org/forum and do your research on brain cells. You need to do research on the penetration of cell walls, just for different reasons, but it will improve important strategies for what can be called "neurostasis" too.

I was over at SENS forums, at the website, and I realized it's like 6 people brainstorming a probably multi multi billion dollar project that has to occur, for most of us, ASAP, or game is over.

So sorry to be so blunt, but we simply have little time.

Exactly. This is why ImmInst needs to make a big push towards making cryonics or cryostasis a working reality, if you check out the cryonics forums and check out the brainstorm thread you can see there are a lot of new technologies which could make cyronics work flawlessly within 10 years.

Edited by robomoon, 05 December 2010 - 12:55 PM.