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[chris w]

Nazi resurection !




Anyway, good point, Roll. When people hear "concentration camp", this usually brings the image of an actual "death camp", so in effect one might think that Auschwitz had something in common with detention camps for the Japanese. Surely, the latter were a major violation of just about any right under the sun, but still nothing like the Nazi camps, which were desinged with one thing in mind, it's hard to accuse Roosevelt of a similar agenda.

Nazis had started building theirs a few good years before the war broke out, and most important of all - no one could ever leave once imprisoned.

In the case of American camps :

Nearly a quarter of the internees left the camps to live and work elsewhere in the United States, outside the exclusion zone. Eventually, some were authorized to return to their hometowns in the exclusion zone under supervision of a sponsoring American family or agency whose loyalty had been assured. Many Japanese internees were temporarily released from their camps- for instance, to harvest Western beet crops- to address this wartime labor shortage

When the government circulated a questionnaire seeking army volunteers from among the internees, 6% of military-aged male respondents volunteered to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces.[citation needed] Most of those who refused, however, tempered that refusal with statements of willingness to fight if they were restored their rights as American citizens. 20,000 Japanese American men and many Japanese American women served in the U.S. Army during World War II.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which was composed primarily of Japanese Americans, served with uncommon distinction in the European theatre of World War II. Many of the US soldiers serving in the unit had their families interned at home while they fought abroad.
The famed 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which fought in Europe, was formed from those Japanese Americans who did agree to serve. This unit was the most highly decorated US military unit of its size and duration.

[Rational Madman]

Nor should it be. In the current economic situation, balancing the budget would be suicidal. We should be looking to return to surplus some number of years down the road. By the looks of things, probably 3-5, but that could change in either direction, with longer being more likely, I'm afraid.

Deficit spending is suicidal.

In inflationary conditions, indeed. But do you bother to look at price indexes?

Or if interest payments become no longer tenable. Have you bothered examining the historical, and relative significance of interest payments as a percentage of GDP, or as a percentage of the national budget? Post-Napoleonic Great Britain is an instructive precedent, and gives us some idea about the extent of debt that a hegemon can safely accumulate. The challenge is manipulating consumer behavior, choosing the right targets, determining the appropriate timing, and knowing when to pull back. Because after all, the multiplier effect of fiscal stimulatory spending doesn't remain constant. And we could say the inverse is true when endeavoring to maintain a budget surplus without any regard for the level of aggregate demand. Which is a posture that certainly didn't work for Jefferson and his successors, or Jackson and his successors. Look carefully at the data, and dispense with the silly dogma!

Edited by Rol82, 27 October 2010 - 01:25 PM.

[Rational Madman]

Nazi resurection !




Anyway, good point, Roll. When people hear "concentration camp", this usually brings the image of an actual "death camp", so in effect one might think that Auschwitz had something in common with detention camps for the Japanese. Surely, the latter were a major violation of just about any right under the sun, but still nothing like the Nazi camps, which were desinged with one thing in mind, it's hard to accuse Roosevelt of a similar agenda.

Nazis had started building theirs a few good years before the war broke out, and most important of all - no one could ever leave once imprisoned.

In the case of American camps :

Nearly a quarter of the internees left the camps to live and work elsewhere in the United States, outside the exclusion zone. Eventually, some were authorized to return to their hometowns in the exclusion zone under supervision of a sponsoring American family or agency whose loyalty had been assured. Many Japanese internees were temporarily released from their camps- for instance, to harvest Western beet crops- to address this wartime labor shortage

When the government circulated a questionnaire seeking army volunteers from among the internees, 6% of military-aged male respondents volunteered to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces.[citation needed] Most of those who refused, however, tempered that refusal with statements of willingness to fight if they were restored their rights as American citizens. 20,000 Japanese American men and many Japanese American women served in the U.S. Army during World War II.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which was composed primarily of Japanese Americans, served with uncommon distinction in the European theatre of World War II. Many of the US soldiers serving in the unit had their families interned at home while they fought abroad.
The famed 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which fought in Europe, was formed from those Japanese Americans who did agree to serve. This unit was the most highly decorated US military unit of its size and duration.

Yeah, I think it's quite correct to criticize the Roosevelt administration and the courts for such a travesty of justice, but I have little patience with the trivialization of tragic events in history with false analogies, so I call people on them. But my mother's French-Jewish family is much, much worse. They go nuts at any attempt to downplay the weight of the Holocaust, or the mere mention of Klaus Barbie.