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[CryoBurger]

Or not so new. 2008 ......

But this is truly astounding to me.

http://www.forbes.co...8/0602/053.html

Does anyone have any updates on the technology since 2008?

If Alcor used this method - the ramifications could be a whole new generation of preservation. Without cryoprotectants? Without cell damage? Without toxicity?

But at a much higher cost...?

-CB-

Edited by CryoBurger, 16 October 2010 - 07:32 PM.

[CryoBurger]

I've done some searching and there doesn't seem to be any info on updates as most of this is going on in Tokyo and there is a huge disconnect between the Japanese internet and the American internet. A whole other world we don't typically see due to the language barrier.

I did find this article however, which I had to translate:

http://translate.goo...&lang=no&id=650

-CB-

[benbest]

I've done some searching and there doesn't seem to be any info on updates as most of this is going on in Tokyo and there is a huge disconnect between the Japanese internet and the American internet. A whole other world we don't typically see due to the language barrier.

I did find this article however, which I had to translate:

http://translate.goo...&lang=no&id=650

-CB-

This subject has been discussed on this forum before, although
I am not going to make an effort to find the thread. I have
written a bit on this subject on my website, see the last
paragraph of: http://www.benbest.c...tml#spaceflight

Ohwada published a paper in CRYOBIOLOGY this year:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20478291

and had a US patent (name N Owada) issued August 13, 2009.
The 2009 patent makes for very weird reading.
The CAS apparatus can on the
one hand remove oxygen and use nitrogen
gas -- to prevent oxidation damage -- and
on the other hand apply an electric field
to generate superoxide anion to produce
hydroxyl radicals to destroy bacteria. Wind
velocity in the cooler up to 5 m/sec can
hasten cooling. A sound wave generator
reportedly improves heat transmission
by stirring up the boundary layer of air
around the object-to-be-frozen. The benefit
of the magnetic field is the it "causes the
clusters of the free water to become small,
and thereby facilitates hydration of the
clusters with the substrates of the food
product to form hydration structures." [0048]
Yet in [0050] it says "since the magnetic
field fluctuate, the magnetic flux is changed
and electromagnetic induction occurs within
an object-to-be-frozen." This is so confused
-- [0047] refers to a unidirectional magnetic
field inducing direct magnetic moments.

It does seem like Owada might be on to
something, but it does not seem like he
knows what it is or can explain what it is,
even though he can show results. The
explanations are a mess. I would like to
see a systematic examination of oscillating
magnetic and electric fields and perhaps
even static magnetic fields under better
controlled conditions. I am still waiting...

-- Ben Best

[mikeb80]

This magnetic field freezing technology seems very promising and could represent an HUGE advancement in cryonics.
Let's hope that someone will decide to apply to something more important than half eaten apples, cakes and milkshakes. LOL
And I am agree with CryoBurger... sadly there are too many barriers between Western (I include USA and Europe) and Asian internet.

Edited by mikeb80, 23 August 2012 - 04:49 PM.

[manamia27t]

Have something like this video





ABI homepage

http://www.abi-net.co.jp/

If Alcor or the Cryonics Institute has adopted the CAS,
Cryonics has also attracted attention in Japan
I also want it.

I'm sorry, I'm using google translation

[PWAIN]

Very interesting, I wonder if they are commercialising it yet? Would be interesting to try it on a small mammal.

[caliban]

Of course they are commercialising it (ABI Corporation Ltd.), which is how such stories hit the media.
The link you give only leads to the general newspage. I think you mean this page from 2011
http://www.abi-net.c...0111027152.html
which displays this poster from 2011:
http://www.abi-net.c...poster-cake.pdf

on which I see nothing much of interest. In fact 'attachment rate' is an odd thing to tout for hESC.
More interesting is this paper from 2012

[caliban]

Also of interest
http://www.sciencedi...11224012000284#

and their response
http://www.sciencedi...011224012000260

see Members section for articles.

[manamia27t]

Thank you, caliban

[YOLF]

Definitely seems interesting. Would there be any downsides? Would it neet to be improved upon for our uses? It looks like the process would become simpler and perhaps cheaper after the initial equipment purchase/customization. How much is a freezer that could fit a human? Are we talking about Cryonics hub facilities? Could we have more options for the procedure to be carried out at? I'm thinking these freezers could be made available in many states and further enhance the success of cryonics. How could this benefit conventional undertaking and funeral directors?

Edited by cryonicsculture, 20 March 2013 - 05:34 PM.