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#1 mercurygirl

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 02:24 AM


Greetings,

I'm posting for the first time here after lurking & learning for a while, and I am eager to ask your advice about nootropics. I'm hoping to counter some of the effects of recently diagnosed heavy metal toxicity (mercury is especially high), which has taken a heavy toll for the past few years on my cognitive function and mood, along with the usual nasty spectrum of side effects (neurological, endocrine, thyroid, etc.).

I'm quite hopeful that some of the products discussed here, such as Aniracetam and Picamilon, might help with the brain fog, memory loss, and maybe even anxiety and depression. I'm not expecting miracles but would VERY much like to regain some of my former mental clarity…I feel as though I've lost a part of myself.

Here's my basic data:

o Female, small frame (120 lbs.)
o Undergoing repeated rounds of chelation therapy with DMSA and ALA under my physician's care to remove the mercury
o Currently taking fish oil and a wide spectrum of vitamins, minerals and amino acids recommended by my MD
o Currently taking Armour thyroid
o Currently taking Tianeptine (Stablon) for depression, and because I had read that it can help to counter stress-related hippocampal damage - at least in tree shrews, but hey, I figured it was worth a shot :)

Since my system is already somewhat weakened, I want to be careful to supplement anything that may become depleted by the new products. For example, I've read that it may be wise to supplement some form of choline when taking Aniracetam?

I'll need to stay with inexpensive supplements for now. I was considering the
Phosphatidyl choline/Picamilon/Aniracetam combo available from smi2le.biz to start, along with 5-HTP in the evening to help with mood & sleep. I was also considering Idebenone but read mixed reports on this site.

I'm eager to begin a regime that may help, and you all seem to know so much about this. I would be grateful for any advice you can share.

Many thanks,

Sarah

#2 magr

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 07:18 AM

Hello!

I am very new to all these things and i can not remember where i got the information nor do i have any references to back this up but search for Ginkgo and Ginseng.
If my memory serves me correctly these two can help remove heavy metals from your body. They have other good properties too, and are natural.

I am sure somebody can give you better advice.

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#3 haim78

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 10:06 AM

Give a try to homeopathy, Mercurius Solubilis 9CH twice a day (20 drops) for the first month, then switch to Mercurius Solubilis 15CH once a day for another month.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:58 PM

Greetings,

I'm posting for the first time here after lurking & learning for a while, and I am eager to ask your advice about nootropics. I'm hoping to counter some of the effects of recently diagnosed heavy metal toxicity (mercury is especially high), which has taken a heavy toll for the past few years on my cognitive function and mood, along with the usual nasty spectrum of side effects (neurological, endocrine, thyroid, etc.).

I'm quite hopeful that some of the products discussed here, such as Aniracetam and Picamilon, might help with the brain fog, memory loss, and maybe even anxiety and depression. I'm not expecting miracles but would VERY much like to regain some of my former mental clarity…I feel as though I've lost a part of myself.

Here's my basic data:

o Female, small frame (120 lbs.)
o Undergoing repeated rounds of chelation therapy with DMSA and ALA under my physician's care to remove the mercury
o Currently taking fish oil and a wide spectrum of vitamins, minerals and amino acids recommended by my MD
o Currently taking Armour thyroid
o Currently taking Tianeptine (Stablon) for depression, and because I had read that it can help to counter stress-related hippocampal damage - at least in tree shrews, but hey, I figured it was worth a shot :)

Since my system is already somewhat weakened, I want to be careful to supplement anything that may become depleted by the new products. For example, I've read that it may be wise to supplement some form of choline when taking Aniracetam?

I'll need to stay with inexpensive supplements for now. I was considering the 
Phosphatidyl choline/Picamilon/Aniracetam combo available from smi2le.biz to start, along with 5-HTP in the evening to help with mood & sleep. I was also considering Idebenone but read mixed reports on this site.

I'm eager to begin a regime that may help, and you all seem to know so much about this. I would be grateful for any advice you can share.

Many thanks,

Sarah


Chlorella should help remove the metals.

#5 mercurygirl

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 03:36 AM

Thanks all for your advice, I will certainly look into your suggestions.

Can you also share any tips on taking Aniracetam, such as what is the most effective form of choline-supporting supplement to work synergistically with it? Should it be taken with or apart from food?

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 04:05 AM

you should be sure to take R-ALA and not regular ALA.

What are the "wide spectrum of vitamins, minerals and amino acids" Does it include additional biotin?

#7 omega_rage

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 03:51 PM

I am currently using LL's Magnetic Clay Baths:

http://www.magneticclay.com/

It is supposedly more effective than Chelation Therapy! I have only used it a few times and it is still in the early days of my trial, but the research surrounding its use and results are quite promising!

#8 jubai

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 06:18 PM

Hi, I just got my amalgam fillings removed, and I'm doing a chelation therapy.

My level of intoxication isn't that bad (I'm 22), but still, getting rid of the mercury is my priority.

Nootropics will help with the brain fog, but first you must remove all the mercury from your body.

http://home.earthlin...dose_sched.html
http://www.1to1vitam...ucts/10941.html


The best mercury chelator is DMSA, followed by ALA. (R-ALA is better).

Chelate for 3 days a week maximum, start slow on the dosages of dmsa (like 4* 50mg a day) at first. Going to fast will harm you more than it will help.

You will need to supplement with zinc, magnesium and selenium, as DMSA also takes out these metals.

High doses of anti-oxydants will help to counter the negative effects of mercury moving in the body. Vitamin C, E, multi-vitamin etc.

NO ALA for the first 4 months after you got the amalgams / source of poisoning removed, and have started DMSA. ALA moves the mercury from the brain, so going straight to it is dangerous. Remove most of the body mercury with DMSA first.

N-Acetyl-cystein, chlorella and MSM will help too, to a lesser extent.

Good luck, mercury poisoning is evil :(

#9 mercurygirl

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 03:27 AM

you should be sure to take R-ALA and not regular ALA.

What are the "wide spectrum of vitamins, minerals and amino acids"  Does it include additional biotin?


I'm taking a heavy-duty multivitamin/multimineral along with extra zinc, selenium, magnesium, NAC, glutamine, L-carnitine, branched-chain amino acids, B-vitamins with extra B6, C, milk thistle, EFAs, and I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. What is biotin?

#10 eternaltraveler

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 03:35 AM

biotin is a B vitamin that is depleted through the use of ALA, and thus you need more of it. It's pretty cheap.

Outwardly biotin deficiency can manifast itself with your hair falling out.

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 03:55 AM

From: http://www.askbillsa...=cancer_regimen

Glutathione:

The body actually performs its own chelation on heavy metals (cadmium, lead, mercury) with glutathione. A healthy liver produces a backup supply of glutathione when supplied sulfur. Glutathione is nature's universal antioxidant. Foods such as asparagus, garlic, onions and eggs are rich in sulfur and boost glutathione levels, as do sulfur-bearing food supplements such as alpha lipoic acid, N-acetyl cysteine and taurine.

IP6 rice bran extract:

Alternative doctors perform chelation intravenously with a mild mineral chelator called EDTA. But this approach is time-consuming and costly, and the tumor grows in between treatments. The answer is to use nature's most powerful antioxidant and mineral chelator, phytic acid, also called inositol hexaphosphate (IP6), a component of seeds and whole grains. IP6 is a 6-sided molecule that works like a magnet to selectively remove iron, copper, calcium, and heavy metals, while leaving essential electrolyte minerals such as potassium and sodium. When extracted from rice bran, IP6 can be taken orally to perform chelation therapy at home. IP6 should be consumed in between meals so as not to interfere with mineral absorption from foods. It should only be taken with water, as vitamin C in juices interferes with its action. Anemic individuals will feel weak after taking IP6. (IP6 should NOT be taken by pregnant women, or with caution in low-dose by growing children who need minerals). A decade of research with animals reveals that IP6 shrinks all types of tumors (brain, lung, prostate, breast, liver, colon) when given to animals in their drinking water.

A therapeutic daily dose for adults would be about 2400-4800 milligrams taken in one sitting. Or a maintenance or preventive dose might be 1000-1600 milligrams daily. IP6 is the most potent anti-cancer weapon on the planet. It is available at health food stores. All IP6 is currently produced by Tsuno Foods of Wakayama, Japan, and the claim that added inositol improves natural killer cell function is poorly founded.

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 04:14 PM

I would strongly advise against taking any combination products.

Buy in bulk and encapsulate yourself. Why? You never know if the pre encapsultated dose is even effective. There is no research that corresponds to those doses of those three Rizzer has mixed together.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:58 PM

Can you also share any tips on taking Aniracetam, such as what is the most effective form of choline-supporting supplement to work synergistically with it? Should it be taken with or apart from food?


Aniracetam should always be taken with food since it is fat soluble. I personally find Alpha GPC to work quite well with both Aniracetam and Piracetam, though it is a little pricey. CDP-Choline should also work just fine.

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#14 mercurygirl

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Posted 25 November 2004 - 02:07 AM

Aniracetam should always be taken with food since it is fat soluble. I personally find Alpha GPC to work quite well with both Aniracetam and Piracetam, though it is a little pricey. CDP-Choline should also work just fine.


Dopamine, I had ordered a combo from Smi2le that includes aniracetam, picamilon, and for the choline source both choline bitartrate and centrophenoxine. It seems from searching previous posts that these are not optimal sources, but do you think they are OK just to start experimenting? When I have a little more experience and $$ I will begin to combine my own and use the Alpha GPC instead...




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